ADAMS IN OR OUT?????

[Scow]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

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I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

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Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

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Good enough for Premier League sides?

Paul Dickov - On the bench at Blackburn Rovers who were embroiled in a relegation battle last season.

Ben Thatcher - Playing in a side that also struggled last season.

Marcus Bent - On the bench at Everton who will struggle again this season.

Riccardo Scimeca - Playing in a side expected to get relegated.

Les Ferdinand - Bench warmer at Bolton.

Billy McKinlay - Reserve team player/coach at Fulham.

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Yes mate, but I doubt West Brom, Palace or Norwich will have many takers for their players like we did. Whether our squad was good enough for the premiership or not we threw away so many leads that you can't just say it was because we weren't good enough. Obviously we weren't good enough, but it must stop somewhere where it goes from not being good enough to under-achieving and your manager shouldering some of the blame for failing to rectify the same mistakes that happened over and over again? Perhaps i'm not naive enough, but I personally can't accept we weren't good enough, it's not as simple as that.

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Well, it is as simple as that, no matter how much that frustrates you. We lost so many leads simply because we didn't have the quality to see them out. The key to defending leads was ball retention - We couldn't do that because we didn't have enough quality in the side to run down the clock. Also, our back 4 was devised from either free transfers, past it pros, or via the youth system. For quality defenders, you have to spend money - We didn't have that.

As I said before, you pay for what you get. I look at it from the viewpoint that we did well to get in those winning positions in the first place......

[Babylon]

it is actually really annoying how stubborn adams is in the way he always plays his favourite players over any body else...

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I voted to sit on the fence. I do not want Adams out, at the moment, but I do think we need to look at his performance without the rose tinted glasses that many do.

A long hard look should be taken at him at the end of the season, especially if we only make the play-offs or don't get promotion, and see how he actually managed the team. Remember this is the first team that he can call his own.

I responded to this posting as I do see this as a major Adams failing, in that he will keep persisting with players, formations, tactics and ideas that are clearly not working. To me that shows a certain arrogance and a certain stupidity that I hope does not come back to haunt him, as it will come to haunt us as City fans.

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Sorry i thought we got promotion from the first division last time.... how exactly didn't the tactics work then?????

12454[/snapback]

We got relegated last season, if that escaped your notice, and don't say the players were not good enough as many of them are now with PL sides. Moreover we had the best players in the League the last time we came up and so in spite of the tactics MA may have used we would still have gone up. :w00t: ::

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If your theory is correct about the players were good enough to get up no matter what tactics or what manager we employed, how come under peter taylor we plumeted like a stone even though he had most of oneils team still?????? Players were the same so it must have been the tactic/manager?????

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That could also be used to last season! Just because we threw alot of points away doesn't mean we didn't have a good enough team, it might be the fact the way the manager runs the team made us under achieve. It is possible for a manager to have this effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Adams isn't neyond criticism and the sooner some people realise this the better.

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If you didnt jump on your high horse and did some research 99% of the people on here have critisied adams about things, things that are worthy of critisism not the bollocks half the people on here spout. (yourself not included as you do make valid points)

So the manager can make players like scowcroft etc miss kick balls or kick them into their own net?? yes he made some badly timed substitutions. But to blame the mistakes of players who aren't upto it on the manager is ridiculous. And before you say he signed the players we didnt exactly have a great deal of choice did we???

[Steven]

I am losing track of all the quotes. All I am saying is that I do not want MA to go, the jury is out on him as a Manager and because Dowie was able to come in at Palace and do a good job, there must be other managers that could also come to City and do a good job.

I say to all the pro and anti-Adams camps, remember I have splinters in my arse as I am sitting on the fence, let us wait until we have played Wigan at Wigan before deciding whether MA is doing a good job or not. Until then NO ABUSE to either side please as that really pisses me off. We are all City fans, we have the teams best interests at heart, differing ways of expressing that, so let us not slag each other off. B)

[Scow]

I am losing track of all the quotes. All I am saying is that I do not want MA to go, the jury is out on him as a Manager and because Dowie was able to come in at Palace and do a good job, there must be other managers that could also come to City and do a good job.

I say to all the pro and anti-Adams camps, remember I have splinters in my arse as I am sitting on the fence, let us wait until we have played Wigan at Wigan before deciding whether MA is doing a good job or not. Until then NO ABUSE to either side please as that really pisses me off. We are all City fans, we have the teams best interests at heart, differing ways of expressing that, so let us not slag each other off. B) 

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It's all well saying that someone like Dowie did a great job at Palace, but again no one can come up with a replacement for Adams that could do a better job.

If you're talking of sacking Adams, you must support your argument by saying who you would replace him with. Just saying he should be sacked is taking the easy option.....

[Guest Guest]

Scowy mate! You can't go saying that, it's not that cut and dry! Your post is as much opinionated as mine is. So are you saying that there isn't such a thing as a team under achieving? What about Middlesborough in the 90's when they were relegated or West Ham? Didn't they have a good enough team? There is a fine line between under achieving and not being good enough, but both exist mate. Crystal Palace changed manager and suddenly became a top division one team, they didn't change their squad! So what happened? Was this a miracle or did the new manager just do his job properly and get his players playing well? I just think that considering the amount of times we threw away points and the interest our players got from other teams show that there might have been a slight possibility we didn't perform to our best ability. I am not going to lie, I think that our team might not have been good enough for the premiership but there were worse teams in the league and Adams needed to expose that. It's not as cut and dry as what you or me are saying, but you cannot completely deny that Micky Adams couldn't have done anything more last season. We failed, it was a hard task to do, but we still failed it.

[Ash]

No way should MA get the sack ! .....Alot of managers would of struggled to keep us up last year , even MON.Mickey does make some strange decisions but he is a good manager .....Its only three games into the season and people are wanting him out ....

If we sack Mickey , we would regret it .Alot like when Leeds sacked David O'Leary and now look where they are

[Scow]

Scowy mate! You can't go saying that, it's not that cut and dry! Your post is as much opinionated as mine is. So are you saying that there isn't such a thing as a team under achieving? What about Middlesborough in the 90's when they were relegated or West Ham? Didn't they have a good enough team? There is a fine line between under achieving and not being good enough, but both exist mate. Crystal Palace changed manager and suddenly became a top division one team, they didn't change their squad! So what happened? Was this a miracle or did the new manager just do his job properly and get his players playing well? I just think that considering the amount of times we threw away points and the interest our players got from other teams show that there might have been a slight possibility we didn't perform to our best ability. I am not going to lie, I think that our team might not have been good enough for the premiership but there were worse teams in the league and Adams needed to expose that. It's not as cut and dry as what you or me are saying, but you cannot completely deny that Micky Adams couldn't have done anything more last season. We failed, it was a hard task to do, but we still failed it.

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I'm not saying Micky didn't make any mistakes - I just think it all boils down to a lack of quality as to why we were relegated. Maybe we did underachieve in a sense we couldn't hold on to our leads, and that it could have been avoided, but maybe we over achieved in getting in those positions in the first place?

[dhermon]

i am sitting on the fence for now the thing is those who want him out have made some good points and the those who say to keep him for NOW also have good points to make.

i think he is building for the future but the thing is as a fan i want to see it now not in the future. the thing with youth is this we all want to see our kids get a chance fine they are not ready for week in week out football yet thats fine i understand that but he has gone into games with no second keeper then put a hack in his place we have 5 spots on the bench yet no room for 1 good young player? yet ever other club can why is that? and if we did get sombody else what about corkey

[Guest Guest]

Scowy mate! You can't go saying that, it's not that cut and dry! Your post is as much opinionated as mine is. So are you saying that there isn't such a thing as a team under achieving? What about Middlesborough in the 90's when they were relegated or West Ham? Didn't they have a good enough team? There is a fine line between under achieving and not being good enough, but both exist mate. Crystal Palace changed manager and suddenly became a top division one team, they didn't change their squad! So what happened? Was this a miracle or did the new manager just do his job properly and get his players playing well? I just think that considering the amount of times we threw away points and the interest our players got from other teams show that there might have been a slight possibility we didn't perform to our best ability. I am not going to lie, I think that our team might not have been good enough for the premiership but there were worse teams in the league and Adams needed to expose that. It's not as cut and dry as what you or me are saying, but you cannot completely deny that Micky Adams couldn't have done anything more last season. We failed, it was a hard task to do, but we still failed it.

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I'm not saying Micky didn't make any mistakes - I just think it all boils down to a lack of quality as to why we were relegated. Maybe we did underachieve in a sense we couldn't hold on to our leads, and that it could have been avoided, but maybe we over achieved in getting in those positions in the first place?

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I'd go along with that! A clear example of compromising with two opinions there. Granted it was a tough enough task and to be honest I think alot of City fans didn't expect us to have a hope in hells chance and the manner we lost some games, made some of us think we were perhaps better than we were and this has given us a false sense of failure. But at the end of the day, Adams made some mistakes I feel he needs to learn from and if he doesn't learn from them we are in trouble. I am always over critical of Leicester because they are my team and I want them to perform successfully and I struggle to accept they aren't good enough at times.

Peace

[Mark]

I'm sitting on the fence as i have for ages (although some people imagine me to want him out immediately).. i dont like him lately at all though.

[bren]

I'm sitting on the fence as i have for ages (although some people imagine me to want him out immediately).. i dont like him lately at all though.

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Petrescu my dear friend i have decided to stay on the forum, i can't keep myself away. Its a pleasure to hear you are sitting on the fence with this one. Nice to see you are talking a bit of sense for a change!!!!!

[Sparky]

a definite no for me , i personally think he is the best man for the job and i do belive he has put together a very good championship squad

[Claymore]

I think that some of our brethren believe that we have a God given right to be in the top flight of English football. I have been supporting City since 1970 and during that time we have been in the top division only about half the time. Without wishing to sound patronising some of our younger posters only remember back to the O'Neil days when due to the brillience of the man we seriously over achieved. Many of us old gits remember crap football and crap results under the management of such real tossers as Frank McLintock and Brian Hamilton.

Take my word for it Micky Adams is a gem; not a perfect gem, but a gem nonetheless.

[Bluefoxtim]

To all those people that want Micky out, you try being a football manager, you think you know it all but you don't. Just let him get on with his job and by the end of the season we wil have been promoted you just watch.

[BartonFox]

I wake up every day aspiring to be as well rounded, well informed and prescient as you. I also aspire to your certainty, clarity and humility. Not for me the world where I am always right and can therefore challenge any point of view with fear of contradiction.

Some would say your are blessed, for me, my English is not good enough to give you the description you deserve.

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Steven, Steven, Steven. A tremendous retort and a fantastic bite to boot. The eloquence of your response will have left half the 'Big Brotherites' on this board flumoxed.

While there are a few such as yourself and Scowy who can hold a decent footballing discussion without having to rely on such vocabulary as "...**** off you tosser I can have an opinion but you can't..." , there are several posters who show they didn't listen when in remedial English.

It is those ill informed types that cause such annoyance as to get to the real discussion points you have to trawl through so much drivel. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I have respect for that, but.........................

[DesertFox]

Until someone can come up with the name of a replacement manager who will genuinely be better than Adams, who will definitely come to the club and definitely improve things, then this entire debate is totally redundant.

Adams is not O'Neil. O'Neil was the best manager in the club's 120 year history. We were truly blessed to have him and blessed that he stayed as long as he did. Adams is not up to Martin's standards. But remember Taylor? And some of us remember the likes of Pleat.....

Adams is a decent enough manager (not the greatest), with absolutely no money to spend and the expectation of instant promotion. Let's see how we are going after at least ten games, and even then, ffs who are you going to bring in that will actually come here and do a better job??? Name names and we'll maybe take you a bit more seriously.

:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

[BartonFox]

I would never want to see the back of MA, but as you have opened another can of worms here is my top 5 (in no specific order) -

Leroy Rosenier (Torquay United)

Neale Cooper (Hartlepool United)

Iain Dowie (Crystal Palace)

Craig Levien (Heart of Midlothian)

Ronnie Moore (Rotherham United)

[Highland]

I don't want Adams out but if he were to go then I'd go for Craig Levein at Hearts.Can't see him staying at Hearts for much longer

[Sparky]

if adams was sacked for instant , there would be a public outcry in the city of leicester . people would riot ! as long as that would make the few jokers who want him out on here happy then so be it

[alex]

For Fox's Sake, all who want Adams out, piss off and support Derby, you're all mad..

[seagulls4ever]

micky adams is a legend! he is one of the best young managers around. if some of you foxes want him out your crazy! but we sure wouldnt mind taking him back if he was sacked.

[Buzzell]

Why should we sack Adams? Give me some reasons! In my eyes the lad has done brilliant! He might have bought in players that were completly shite but you have to look at the financial side of the club. We have hardly ever had money so nothing has changed. Last time we was in Division One we whipped the league, a complete sucess. Then to the Premier, one of the best leagues in the world! We didnt suceed but we gave it our best shot and we never gave up! Now as we have gone down and lost ALL our good players you have to look at the fact that it will take a big achievement to get back up. At the minute we have a Divsion One team but we have been made favorites of winnig the league, which we can do. Now he has bought in some great replacements ie Connoly, Williams, Tiatto, Keown, Gudjonessen ect. I think its time to sit down and think very hard on what MA has gone through. Respect to Adams!

[Steven]

Lilian Nalis is quoted as saying

It is hard to gauge the strength of the division at the moment. We will be better placed to make an assessment 10 games into the season. It is very physical.

. For those who want MA out and those who want him to stay, let's take our lead from Lilian and look at the situation then. :w00t:

[Steven]

Would anyone like to change their mind. :wacko: <_<

[Mark]

Yes, i was sitting on the fence but i've sat on it for so long i need to get off my arse and see sense. Out unless he sees sense and sorts the players out (i cant see it happenin)