The Championship Pedigree

[OmnipresentSam]

I got thinking about previous teams that were promoted from the Championship, and the kind of managers that were in charge of them when they did it. So I threw my thoughts down into a blog post, with the focus on Leicester. It's nothing special, with no revolutionary views, but take a look and let me know what you think!

http://allthingsblue.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/the-true-british-pedigree/

Any comments here or there would be welcome!

Cheers

[Guest Col city fan]

Superb post... Based upon facts

And I fully agree

The championship is a tough old league to get out of and requires experience, mental and physical toughness and a sense of togetherness

If sven can get this, and add some flair to a solid bedrock, then he may buck the trend....

HOWEVER no way is this anywhere near a certainty.

[FuriousFox46]

I agree and disagree.

[OmnipresentSam]

I agree and disagree.

In what way do you agree and disagree?

[Guest Col city fan]

I agree and disagree.

well thats clear then

[Foxybeaver]

That's some heavy stuff, I never thought about that before

[sphericalfox]

Whilst the post is entirely based upon facts. To show a more level approach you should advise your readers over the period you are discussing what percentage of actual CCC managers have been 'foreign'.

If there have been I don't know only 6 foreign managers in the CCC for say the last 6 years the percentage chance of them getting promoted, depending on what backing and team they took over matters a lot.

Otherwise it's like saying something like: most CEO's in the top 10 companies in the country are men. Women must be rubbish.

[Guest Col city fan]

Whilst the post is entirely based upon facts. To show a more level approach you should advise your readers over the period you are discussing what percentage of actual CCC managers have been 'foreign'.

If there have been I don't know only 6 foreign managers in the CCC for say the last 6 years the percentage chance of them getting promoted, depending on what backing and team they took over matters a lot.

Otherwise it's like saying something like: most CEO's in the top 10 companies in the country are men. Women must be rubbish.

Whilst the post is entirely based upon facts.

This just isnt true... its factual, yes, but the author gives his opinion too:

I was happy to see Sven take the helm, but I have massive reservations that simply buying your way of out this league is possible

The Championship is not a league that you can simply buy yourself out of. It’s not a league where high profile managers will necessarily succeed, it’s a league where togetherness and a willing to work together will get you far.

Are you reading the same thing I am?

[sphericalfox]

Whilst the post is entirely based upon facts.

This just isnt true... its factual, yes, but the author gives his opinion too:

I was happy to see Sven take the helm, but I have massive reservations that simply buying your way of out this league is possible

The Championship is not a league that you can simply buy yourself out of. It’s not a league where high profile managers will necessarily succeed, it’s a league where togetherness and a willing to work together will get you far.

Are you reading the same thing I am?

If you are trying to be pedantic at least get it right Col City. I said it was based entirely on fact. I never said the poster didn't give their opinion in the conclusion. My opinion is that further facts need to be evaluated before inferring that potentially barely any foreign manager have got teams promoted and Sven might buck this evidential trend.

[Guest Col city fan]

If you are trying to be pedantic at least get it right Col City. I said it was based entirely on fact. I never said the poster didn't give their opinion in the conclusion. My opinion is that further facts need to be evaluated before inferring that potentially barely any foreign manager have got teams promoted and Sven might buck this evidential trend.

Fair enough... I'm still a bit hungover to be fair.... the percentage of foreign managers in the Championship of course is a factor.. good point

[OmnipresentSam]

Whilst the post is entirely based upon facts. To show a more level approach you should advise your readers over the period you are discussing what percentage of actual CCC managers have been 'foreign'.

If there have been I don't know only 6 foreign managers in the CCC for say the last 6 years the percentage chance of them getting promoted, depending on what backing and team they took over matters a lot.

Otherwise it's like saying something like: most CEO's in the top 10 companies in the country are men. Women must be rubbish.

Fair point, and I do agree with you. In hindsight I should have included it to balance the argument out. Thanks.

[Guest Col city fan]

Fair point, and I do agree with you. In hindsight I should have included it to balance the argument out. Thanks.

It was still a well thought out post mate...

[sphericalfox]

It's good to see people thinking outside the box

[Gav]

I dont really agree, Im not saying its wrong and I havent researched this but I cant remember to many foreign managers over the years in the Champo , its not like the Prem.

Off the top of my head im struggling to think of foreign managers apart from Di Matteo, Sousa, Sven, I think there was an Icelandic at Stoke for a bit, Martinez at Swansea...

Id say the ratio is around 95% UK & Ireland to International

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

Ive always said you need experienced championship players to get out of this leauge.

Whilst sousa was out signing moreno from portugal, crnic from slovenia, lamey from holland, neil warnock was out signing paddy kenny, bradley orr, clint hill, shaun derry, rob hulse & tommy smith all experienced players who know this leauge well.

The names like king, maynard, westwood were linked with at the moment are the types of players we need to get out this leauge. Fact

[fleckneymike]

I think to claim that the blog post is based on facts is misleading. It includes facts but it's conclusions are based upon opinions. As has already been highlighted the percentage of non home nation managers need to be taken into consideration.

Pre Sousa at Swansea and Martinez at Wigan I believe you have to go all the way back to Tigana at Fulham in order to find a non home nation manager working in the Championship (Gudjon Thordasson was sacked by Stoke prior to them taking up their place in the Championship). I'm no statistician but 66% of those managers gained promotion.

Perhaps what might have been more interesting and valid would be research into time spent at a club by the first XI, their experience of playing at a higher level etc.

Buying ones way out of the league also isn't covered in sufficient detail. You could argue that Newcastle 'bought' their way out of the league with their very expensive squad. West Brom also featured both Prem 'stars' and new recruits though I suppose you'd need to agree what 'bought' constitutes financially.

It'd be fair to say I disagree.

Ive always said you need experienced championship players to get out of this leauge.

Whilst sousa was out signing moreno from portugal, crnic from slovenia, lamey from holland, neil warnock was out signing paddy kenny, bradley orr, clint hill, shaun derry, rob hulse & tommy smith all experienced players who know this leauge well.

The names like king, maynard, westwood were linked with at the moment are the types of players we need to get out this leauge. Fact

I think you meant to put opinion.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

They need to crack down on spam in this forum.

[lestajigs]

Ive always said you need experienced championship players to get out of this leauge.

Whilst sousa was out signing moreno from portugal, crnic from slovenia, lamey from holland, neil warnock was out signing paddy kenny, bradley orr, clint hill, shaun derry, rob hulse & tommy smith all experienced players who know

this leauge well.

The names like king, maynard, westwood were linked with

at the moment are the types of players we need to get out this leauge. Fact

FACT not fact 

[Hack]

Ive always said you need experienced championship players to get out of this leauge.

Whilst sousa was out signing moreno from portugal, crnic from slovenia, lamey from holland, neil warnock was out signing paddy kenny, bradley orr, clint hill, shaun derry, rob hulse & tommy smith all experienced players who know this leauge well.

The names like king, maynard, westwood were linked with at the moment are the types of players we need to get out this leauge. Fact

The names of CCC players you have mentioned are more than capable players and would be good to add to the team. However I think the owners and Sven are trying to plan not only going up but staying up. You need to do an analysis of those teams in the last 5 years who have gone up but to come down again very soon. Do we really want to be the next WBA or Burnley or Blackpool.

I think the reason Sven is looking for the type of plyer he is, is that he is trying to build the basis of a Premier league squad in the making. Not a squad to get there only to have to bring in a whole new team once up.

It is a gamble, but if it is the plan the Thai owners and Sven have agreed to , then I think we just need to enjoy the trip with them. If it fails it is the Thai's who would of made a very large financial investment and the fans an emotional one.

[FuriousFox46]

In what way do you agree and disagree?

Well pretty much all of it but it sort of hints that a foreign manager isn't capable of taking a team up and to be honest I think that's ludicrous.