EU Referendum

[Webbo]

As opposed to the beacons of financial transparency and public-spirited generosity for which Switzerland, Wall Street and the City of London are renowned the world over..

The City of London is part of the EU now. What's your point?

[I am Rod Hull]

Its the law making bollox that gets my goat...

[Guest MattP]

As opposed to the beacons of financial transparency and public-spirited generosity for which Switzerland, Wall Street and the City of London are renowned the world over..

Point?

[Zingari]

The City of London is part of the EU now. What's your point?

I read somewhere that the "City of London" is not even a part of the UK , much like the Vatican city and Washington DC. are seperate states within Italy and the US .

But i'm not sure if it's true or not , as i keep reading stuff that states differently

It's all very confusing really

http://wideshut.co.uk/bank-of-england-city-of-london-and-the-queen/

[acooling08]

Nothing says modern society like discriminating against people because of their race/ sex/ religion/ sexual orientation etc.

Would you prefer people to wear different coloured star armbands so you could aim your insults accurately?

Employers should be able to employ who they want, and employ whoever is best for their company

For example, if I had my own business and there were 2 equally qualified candidates for a job, 1 young man and 1 young woman, I'd almost certainly employ the man, because if the woman gets pregnant you end up giving them full pay without them being in work for 2 years. I don't think a company should have to fill a diversity quota. I bet successful businessmen/women like Alan Sugar would agree.

[Rincewind]

So you would never employ a woman because they bear children?

[acooling08]

So you would never employ a woman because they bear children?

If she was below 40 and married, I'd rather employ a man. Shelling out full pay for 2 years for no return is very damaging. Women also take longer off work for things like compassionate leave. When my grandad died, my dad got 3 days off work and was told if he wanted a full week he'd have to take it as holiday. That was only about 5 years ago. A month or so ago a woman in the same office had 2 weeks off full pay when her dog died. Of course because she's a woman, you can't disallow it, that's discrimination!

If the woman was more qualified then I would take her yes. I'm just saying that if they were equally qualified, I'd hire the bloke.

[Webbo]

I read somewhere that the "City of London" is not even a part of the UK , much like the Vatican city and Washington DC. are seperate states within Italy and the US .

But i'm not sure if it's true or not , as i keep reading stuff that states differently

It's all very confusing really

http://wideshut.co.uk/bank-of-england-city-of-london-and-the-queen/

Come on, you cant't take this seriously surely?

One of the greatest deceptions in modern times is that the quaint little old Queen of England has no power and her role is purely ceremonial and for tradition. The fact is her role has not changed at all; just most of the Royal Family’s evil plans for world empire were hatched a long time ago in the old world. The British empire is still going strong, her common ancestors are in control of the US and the new world order. Now her majesty can sit back in her palace, relax and watch the world fall to bits, while the media paints a warm fuzzy picture of the family; who are in fact Nazi Germans.

[Guest MattP]

Yeah it's legislation that a lot of people who didn't understand business introduced under Labours equality drive.

Fine for people like Tescos etc but if you ran a small business that employed 3/4 people you had to seriously think about it? Employ a couple of young girls and you could end up paying 7/8 people and being in a financial mess.

People like Jaiqui Smith were never going to understand that though. They were obsessed with total equality no matter how damaging it was to some people's livelihood.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

If she was below 40 and married, I'd rather employ a man. Shelling out full pay for 2 years for no return is very damaging. Women also take longer off work for things like compassionate leave. When my grandad died, my dad got 3 days off work and was told if he wanted a full week he'd have to take it as holiday. That was only about 5 years ago. A month or so ago a woman in the same office had 2 weeks off full pay when her dog died. Of course because she's a woman, you can't disallow it, that's discrimination!

If the woman was more qualified then I would take her yes. I'm just saying that if they were equally qualified, I'd hire the bloke.

I know arguing with you is a little bit pointless, but where do you keep getting "2 years" from?

[adam1]

As I understand it, Switzerland and Norway are to be joining the EU.

[Guest MattP]

As I understand it, Switzerland and Norway are to be joining the EU.

I very much doubt that.

They are both thriving successful countries who rank among the highest standard of living in the world.

Why would they want to change that?

[Zingari]

Come on, you cant't take this seriously surely?

I really don’t know what to believe anymore , except that I’ve got a strong feeling that democracy is just a complete myth and the world is actually run by unseen hands ( other than the piddling day to day stuff ) , and El Empty probably knows more about it than me

tinterweb has got a lot to answer for , things were so much simpler before

[Yojoe36]

I really don’t know what to believe anymore , except that I’ve got a strong feeling that democracy is just a complete myth and the world is actually run by unseen hands ( other than the piddling day to day stuff ) , and El Empty probably knows more about it than me

tinterweb has got a lot to answer for , things were so much simpler before

Dictatorship FTW!!

[Zingari]

Dictatorship FTW!!

[acooling08]

I know arguing with you is a little bit pointless, but where do you keep getting "2 years" from?

It isn't pointless.

It's 9 months carrying the baby, then a year after the birth at home.

[Rincewind]

9 months + 12 months then?

[acooling08]

9 months + 12 months then?

It was easier to say 2 years than 21 months or approximately 1.75 years...

[BoneDog]

I really don’t know what to believe anymore , except that I’ve got a strong feeling that democracy is just a complete myth and the world is actually run by unseen hands ( other than the piddling day to day stuff ) , and El Empty probably knows more about it than me

tinterweb has got a lot to answer for , things were so much simpler before

I think you're correct with what you said about The City of London being a seperate state. There's a fascinating 2 hour debate and lecture I once saw on that subject banging about somewhere and if I can find it I'll post it in another thread. One of the things that struck me about the lecture was that the people involved were all really posh upperclass Englishmen and women and they were speaking out against the establishment on things that are very hush hush. I was astonished Some of the info they have is remarkable.

The main thing I learned from them is that the real war going on is between secret societies and nations don't even come into it, they are expendable and are just pawns that are being used to reach a goal.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

It isn't pointless.

It's 9 months carrying the baby, then a year after the birth at home.

Women don't go off work during the full gestation period, and I'm sure very few get a full year nursing the baby.

I covered for maternity leave once and was in the job for three months.

[The Doctor]

It isn't pointless.

It's 9 months carrying the baby, then a year after the birth at home.

Well it kind of is given you talk utter right-wing bullshit and seem to refuse to back down, no matter how clearly wrong you are.

Now then, as Mike has said, women do not take the entire gestation period off - it's the final trimester at most. What you have said is you'd employ the man because the woman may bear a child and so take a couple of months off due to the pregnancy/caring for the child, which is clearly a disgraceful attitude which belongs in the 60's/70's.

[Guest MattP]

Well it kind of is given you talk utter right-wing bullshit and seem to refuse to back down, no matter how clearly wrong you are.

Now then, as Mike has said, women do not take the entire gestation period off - it's the final trimester at most. What you have said is you'd employ the man because the woman may bear a child and so take a couple of months off due to the pregnancy/caring for the child, which is clearly a disgraceful attitude which belongs in the 60's/70's.

You ever worked for a small business Al where every penny counts? I mean where its so tight you are struggling to pay the electric and just trying to keep the firm going? One where actually employing a couple of young women could see christmas in 6 months down the toilet for all the other employees and 6/7 people out of work?

You ever been in a position where you have had that hanging over your head?

It's hard enough trying to run a small business in this day and age without the vile middle-class political left wing ponces on their public sector pensions pushing this sort of bullshit on small business owners. It's a shame they don't have to take their CV into into the real world.

[The Doctor]

You ever worked for a small business Al where every penny counts? I mean where its so tight you are struggling to pay the electric and just trying to keep the firm going? One where actually employing a couple of young women could see christmas in 6 months down the toilet for all the other employees and 6/7 people out of work?

You ever been in a position where you have had that hanging over your head?

It's hard enough trying to run a small business in this day and age without the vile middle-class political left wing ponces on their public sector pensions pushing this sort of bullshit on small business owners. It's a shame they don't have to take their CV into into the real world.

No - but every man is created equal, and from that they derive equal rights - a woman should not be rejected a job on the basis of her gender, just as a black man should not be rejected on the basis of his skin colour.

I appreciate that small businesses need to get the most they can out of every penny, but that doesn't give them right to reject applicants through discriminatory reasoning.

[Guest MattP]

No - but every man is created equal, and from that they derive equal rights - a woman should not be rejected a job on the basis of her gender, just as a black man should not be rejected on the basis of his skin colour.

I appreciate that small businesses need to get the most they can out of every penny, but that doesn't give them right to reject applicants through discriminatory reasoning.

No idea why you have brought race into the argument, massive difference, race plays no part whatever in what a worker can and can't do, what a worker can and can't offer. Gender does.

So you appreciate small businesses have to sometimes penny pinch but are still quite happy to force laws upon them that could close one down? Absolute madness. Seriously, I hope you run your small firm one day so you can realise the nonsense you agree with forcing on hard working people. Can see this ending with a token 4ft women onto building sites and 7 foot blokes onto checkouts soon. Doesn't matter if that company camt finish its housing project does it as long as Sally and Becky are getting their maternity leave.

You have become so obsessed with equality you have lost any thought for common sense.

[The Doctor]

No idea why you have brought race into the argument, massive difference, race plays no part whatever in what a worker can and can't do, what a worker can and can't offer. Gender does.

So you appreciate small businesses have to sometimes penny pinch but are still quite happy to force laws upon them that could close one down? Absolute madness. Seriously, I hope you run your small firm one day so you can realise the nonsense you agree with forcing on hard working people. Can see this ending with a token 4ft women onto building sites and 7 foot blokes onto checkouts soon. Doesn't matter if that company camt finish its housing project does it as long as Sally and Becky are getting their maternity leave.

You have become so obsessed with equality you have lost any thought for common sense.

Not really, In either occasion (race or gender) you'd be selecting on physical attributes rather than their abilities within the field applied for, one of the main factors to be considered - if "Sally" is more qualified and more experienced for a job than "Harry" then she should get the job, regardless of whether she may have to take a short period off work some time in the future. You don't whine about blokes getting paternity leave when their partner has had another child so why is maternity leave considered an issue? - From a business point they are essentially the same thing: Paid absence due to family requirements.

Quite frankly I disagree - the equality laws should not put any small firm out of business, provided that small firm is run properly in the first place. As for the "token 4ft women onto building sites and 7ft blokes on checkouts" - where does height come into it?, but also if such a person ends up in that job, then it is because they were the best candidate for the job in the first place, not because of gender, race, beliefs or any other factor.