Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 My point is that if a person is able to believe and argue blindly a ridiculous point or belief for which there is no evidence whatsoever and also is deeply insulting to sections of the population, how does one go about employing him hoping that he is rational enough not to let these types of beliefs I to his professional work? He could not manage this with the England job. If he can believe the above which is an absolute pile of nonsense, what's stopping him from playing a 2-7-1 formation because he had a dream or because he decided not to field black squad players that day or guys with Jewish parentage?I am simply questioning the rationality of a man who has such nonsensical beliefs,
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 My point is that if a person is able to believe and argue blindly a ridiculous point or belief for which there is no evidence whatsoever and also is deeply insulting to sections of the population, how does one go about employing him hoping that he is rational enough not to let these types of beliefs I to his professional work? He could not manage this with the England job. If he can believe the above which is an absolute pile of nonsense, what's stopping him from playing a 2-7-1 formation because he had a dream or because he decided not to field black squad players that day or guys with Jewish parentage?I am simply questioning the rationality of a man who has such nonsensical beliefs, Has this happened before whilst he has been a manager then?
foxsake123 Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 My point is that if a person is able to believe and argue blindly a ridiculous point or belief for which there is no evidence whatsoever and also is deeply insulting to sections of the population, how does one go about employing him hoping that he is rational enough not to let these types of beliefs I to his professional work? He could not manage this with the England job. If he can believe the above which is an absolute pile of nonsense, what's stopping him from playing a 2-7-1 formation because he had a dream or because he decided not to field black squad players that day or guys with Jewish parentage?I am simply questioning the rationality of a man who has such nonsensical beliefs, I stand corrected but the 'belief' you say which is insulting and for which there is no evidence is the cornerstone of Buddhism/Hinduism? So for example would Buddhist social workers refuse to work with people with learning disabilties? I have not heard of such things, and the media loves these types of stories. I fail to see how his beliefs affected the England job. And i don't recall him playing 2-7-1. Di Canio is the fascist.If anyone has a problem with minority groups it might be him. But Hoddle has never been implicated as a racist/anti semite/homophobe. That said i would prefer Keegan.
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Well yeah, he asked the England squad to see Eileen Drewery - not a qualified person associated with the sport due to a players individual need - all the squad had to go and speK with his personal soothsayer.Personal delusion crossing over with professional practice - worrying.
dannythefox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Holloway wouldnt be on my list but he is the sort we need whos going to stand on the edge of the technical area and give it rock all at the players for 90mins. This sitting in the seat untill we go one nil down like sven did does nothing Leicester need someone who has passion!
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 He said that people who were disabled had done something wrong in a former life and were being punished.Is that an over reaction?I find that offensive and blindly stupid, if that's his mentality then there will be no reasoning with him on formation and team line ups! Hes a deeply religious man and when he made this statement he was citing a biblical reference. He also maintained vehemently at the time that his comments were taken completely out of context. However, in the role of England manager it was a very risky thing to come out with and he had to pay for what he said with his job really.. I hope I've not made you poop your pants with this
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Yeah but with respect I don't care what he's reciting or quoting - religion does nothing for football look around and certainly has no place in a professional workplace with the exception of making reasonable adjustment for those who wish to engage in their personal faith based activities. The manager of England shouldn't be bring the personal into the professional, that's why I doubt his rationality and professional judgement.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Well yeah, he asked the England squad to see Eileen Drewery - not a qualified person associated with the sport due to a players individual need - all the squad had to go and speK with his personal soothsayer.Personal delusion crossing over with professional practice - worrying. But that is simply not true. They never had to go and see her but she was there if they wanted her. It helps some and not others. Surely that is a good thing.
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 And what could she help with. What were her professional credentials and experience to bring her into the England setup?
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Yeah but with respect I don't care what he's reciting or quoting - religion does nothing for football look around and certainly has no place in a professional workplace with the exception of making reasonable adjustment for those who wish to engage in their personal faith based activities. The manager of England shouldn't be bring the personal into the professional, that's why I doubt his rationality and professional judgement. It all depends what your beliefs are Nick..and we are all human mate.. I manage a group of staff and some of the things I say when I'm having an off day are not always said with 'thought and sensitivity' and are not always politically correct. IMO Hoddle can have his view on things, like everyone else..where he went wrong was to bring something 'too controversial' into the professional arena. On the subject of bringing the personal into the professional..Sven did the same with his string of women..but somehow this was considered to be 'more acceptable' to Joe Public than the things Hoddle came out with. Its all views, opinions and politics. But Hoddle was daft to air such a controversial opinion in public, and this heralded the start of his downfall.
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Not even close, he didn't ask players to sleep with ulrika http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/269695.stm
Guest Bilo Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 "My beliefs have evolved in the last eight or nine years, that the spirit has to come back again, that is nothing new, that has been around for thousands of years. You have to come back to learn and face some of the things you have done, good and bad. There are too many injustices around.""You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason. The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities. What you sow, you have to reap." "You have to look at things that happened in your life and ask why. It comes around." Hoddle's actual words. You charming dog, you. It's been a heck of a time since he was last employed too, I can't help thinking his day as a manager has passed.
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 It all depends what your beliefs are Nick..and we are all human mate.. I manage a group of staff and some of the things I say when I'm having an off day are not always said with 'thought and sensitivity' and are not always politically correct. IMO Hoddle can have his view on things, like everyone else..where he went wrong was to bring something 'too controversial' into the professional arena. On the subject of bringing the personal into the professional..Sven did the same with his string of women..but somehow this was considered to be 'more acceptable' to Joe Public than the things Hoddle came out with. Its all views, opinions and politics. But Hoddle was daft to air such a controversial opinion in public, and this heralded the start of his downfall. Did you make them all throw darts at Sven images and wrestle in the office with the blow up Sven Doll for pay review purposes?
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 But that is simply not true. They never had to go and see her but she was there if they wanted her. It helps some and not others. Surely that is a good thing. Players felt obliged to go or risk the consequences. Show me her qualifications in anything
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Did you make them all throw darts at Sven images and wrestle in the office with the blow up Sven Doll for pay review purposes? [/ Darts and blow up dolls don't usually go well together Nick They tend to burst too quickly Shame you revert to trolling again, we was having a pleasant little conversation there! Oh well....
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Did you make them all throw darts at Sven images and wrestle in the office with the blow up Sven Doll for pay review purposes? Darts and blow up dolls don't usually go well together Nick They tend to burst too quickly Shame you revert to trolling again, we was having a pleasant little conversation there! Oh well.... No trolling, you just are blind to the fact that your underlying distaste for Sven is brought into every thread - notice how you did it this time, with the weakest transition ever seen in formulating a written argument?
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 No trolling, you just are blind to the fact that your underlying distaste for Sven is brought into every thread - notice how you did it this time, with the weakest transition ever seen in formulating a written argument? Christ on a bike!........... I've made my reservations about Sven clear... Like many on here have done I've also made it clear that I'd have kept Sven over Keane, Dowie and McDermott.. Finally I'd like to see Mark Hughes at the club You gonna poop again? I'd really rather talk to you pleasantly than have your strange hostility rear it's head every so often. There's no need for it but I guess you can't help it somehow. Anyway have a good day.
Earlydoorsjones Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Kevin Keegan is not the type of manager we need - at least not now. His era for management was in the 90's - and football has moved on so much since then - and his club was Newcastle. It is like saying George Graham did superbly for Arsenal - yes he did, but that was in the 80's. Now I know that Fergy and Dalglish are 80's icons, but they are a bit special and have an understanding of football and how to win that is on another level...something to do with being Scottish and older than 35. Regarding Ian Holloway... he made some of the most ridiculous tactical errors during his time at City. There was time for a decent manager to save us the season he took over. And his comments to the media, such as, "don't worry, have a sandwich", whilst everyone feared relegation were top draw out of the idiot file. And, how would any of our more technically able players respect a man whos idea of tactics and training are from a Sunday league park in the 70's? - and I know that Blackpool had a few - but not so many now!!! Holloway would be a nightmare second era. There are managers with names that just seem to get so many jobs and rarely fulfil their potential: McClarren, Southgate, Coleman, Dowie, Strachan, Keegan... Sven. Not again. These sort of managers would not do so well at the lower league level because they would not have money to spend and are not winners (McClarren was a decent assistant manager and should have stuck with being a bloody decent second in command, don't know what Southgate is and the others are just sky pundits, with the exception of Sven, who seems to have a nack of sleeping with Europe's most famous gold diggers. We need a man who knows football inside out. I'm shit with names - that bloke at Norwich is a bit like MON in many ways, but fundamentally, they know football. Im not suggesting we go for him, but that type of manager: possibly Mark Hughes, but ideally MON!
blueblood88 Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 He's a good manager, the damage had been done when he came in, Martin O'Neill wouldn't have kept that shower of shite up that season! I'd be happy if he came back, he has proven what a decent manager he is, given he has decent players in his squad.
Corky Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I wouldn't want it, the fans understandably would still remember his first spell in charge and although he's flourished since I doubt he'd want to come back. Leave it alone.
Vlad The Impaler Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 If he had never come to us, he'd be the perfect choice. Knows the league.
Corky Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 He's a good manager, the damage had been done when he came in, Martin O'Neill wouldn't have kept that shower of shite up that season! I'd be happy if he came back, he has proven what a decent manager he is, given he has decent players in his squad. I'm sorry but I just don't buy this. He took over when we were 17th and had 31 games to play. More than enough time to get settled and make sure we were better than three teams.
davieG Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I'm sorry but I just don't buy this. He took over when we were 17th and had 31 games to play. More than enough time to get settled and make sure we were better than three teams. and became Manager as early as Nov 2007 Signed the following players Barry Hayles Steve Howard Matt Oakley Harry Worley Laczko Zsolt - loan Gabor Bori - loan Ben Alnwick - loan Jamie Clapham - loan Lee Hendrie - loan Kelvin Etuhu - loan David Bell - loan Oakley and Howard were not cheap compare to Mandaric's previous signings. He failed miserably.
Kitchandro Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 He's a good manager, the damage had been done when he came in, Martin O'Neill wouldn't have kept that shower of shite up that season! I'd be happy if he came back, he has proven what a decent manager he is, given he has decent players in his squad. Wrong. Do people think we were bottom when Holloway took over? We weren't, we were midtable, with over half the season left, and with a transfer window for him to deal in. As above why are his tactical mistakes conveniently forgotten?
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