Wycombe Fox Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 RIP to a boxing legend, Smokin' Joe Frazier.
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Gutted, no justice when he dies and that bastard Clay still lives.
Zingari Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 RIP Joe one day you're smokin' next day you're croakin'
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 still one of the greatest sporting moments ever
accessory Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Gutted, no justice when he dies and that bastard Clay still lives. Stay classy..
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Stay classy.. I dont regret that one bit, I spoke to to Joe in Doncaster about 6 months ago and don't believe everything you read, he still hadn't forgiven the racist bastard and was glad he was suffering.
Zingari Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 I dont regret that one bit, I spoke to to Joe in Doncaster about 6 months ago and don't believe everything you read, he still hadn't forgiven the racist bastard and was glad he was suffering. i thought they made up in later years and Ali had helped him financially on a few occasions . what happened ? can you give us any more info ?
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 i thought they made up in later years and Ali had helped him financially on a few occasions . what happened ? can you give us any more info ? Yeah I said "I still love what you did to Clay" he smiled replied "so do I, look at him now, proves i won those fights" Though if you speak to most boxing journalists (Dan Rafael and Al Bernstein I've spoke to)they all say the same thing that it depends what mood you caught him in, some days he would say all is forgiven and they are ok now and some days he would openly take pleasure from his situation.
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 I know Larry Holmes had stepped in to help him financially, didn't know Ali did, I doubt he would of taken that, done have told me Mayweather has helped him ourmt a few times as well.
Zingari Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 I know Larry Holmes had stepped in to help him financially, didn't know Ali did, I doubt he would of taken that, done have told me Mayweather has helped him ourmt a few times as well. just read the bbc obit and i'd got it arse about face , it was Joe who helped Ali financially . yes i can see now there was a rumbling resentment to the end http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/boxing/15618173.stm
Guest MattP Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 just read the bbc obit and i'd got it arse about face , it was Joe who helped Ali financially . yes i can see now there was a rumbling resentment to the end http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/boxing/15618173.stm He was a great man Joe, he had time for anyone and never stopped smiling. Considering the abuse Ali gave him he conducted himself with incredible dignity. One of my heroes has gone today, I'm gonna sit down tonight with a couple of beers, watch the fight of the century and shed a few tears.
Zingari Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 He was a great man Joe, he had time for anyone and never stopped smiling. Considering the abuse Ali gave him he conducted himself with incredible dignity. One of my heroes has gone today, I'm gonna sit down tonight with a couple of beers, watch the fight of the century and shed a few tears. might do the same i've got all the ali fights on dvd somewhere
Raj Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Gutted, no justice when he dies and that bastard Clay still lives. Abit Harsh Matt. Anyone who hasnt seen Champions Forever should do,if you only watch one boxing documentary watch it. That ear of boxing was the best beyond none!
Zingari Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Abit Harsh Matt. Anyone who hasnt seen Champions Forever should do,if you only watch one boxing documentary watch it. That ear of boxing was the best beyond none! tyson and holyfield was a great ear of boxing too
Raj Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 tyson and holyfield was a great ear of boxing too Yeah Yeah... ! This is good-- http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15616563.stm
pSinatra Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 One of the greatest fighters of all time. A true legend!! R.I.P.
BoneDog Posted 9 November 2011 Posted 9 November 2011 I was fond of Joe from the tapes I saw of him. Loved his personality, fighting style and heart. R.I.P
accessory Posted 9 November 2011 Posted 9 November 2011 He was a great man Joe, he had time for anyone and never stopped smiling. Considering the abuse Ali gave him he conducted himself with incredible dignity. One of my heroes has gone today, I'm gonna sit down tonight with a couple of beers, watch the fight of the century and shed a few tears. I hope you had the volume turned up when you did so. It's quite obvious where the crowd's sympathies lay. Ali wasn't just the most charismatic boxer who ever lived, but probably the most charismatic performer in the history of sport. He is not only recognised, but revered, thoughout the world - even by many who have no interest in boxing. The same could not be said about Frazier. His reactions yesterday suggested he didn't really see Frazier as an "Uncle Tom" figure. But given the antipathy of the establishment (both inside and outside boxing) towards Ali, it's not surprising that the passions, and the hype, became over-inflated on both sides. But Frazier deserves to be respected and honoured as a great fighter in his own right. His passing is a reminder of the golden age that heavyweight boxing enjoyed in the 1970s. Ken Norton and George Foreman, along with Frazier and Ali, played a large part in that. All were light-years ahead of the Klitschko brothers who dominate that arena now.
Guest MattP Posted 9 November 2011 Posted 9 November 2011 I hope you had the volume turned up when you did so. It's quite obvious where the crowd's sympathies lay. Ali wasn't just the most charismatic boxer who ever lived, but probably the most charismatic performer in the history of sport. He is not only recognised, but revered, thoughout the world - even by many who have no interest in boxing. The same could not be said about Frazier. His reactions yesterday suggested he didn't really see Frazier as an "Uncle Tom" figure. But given the antipathy of the establishment (both inside and outside boxing) towards Ali, it's not surprising that the passions, and the hype, became over-inflated on both sides. But Frazier deserves to be respected and honoured as a great fighter in his own right. His passing is a reminder of the golden age that heavyweight boxing enjoyed in the 1970s. Ken Norton and George Foreman, along with Frazier and Ali, played a large part in that. All were light-years ahead of the Klitschko brothers who dominate that arena now. The Klitschko Brothers would have been hard to beat in any era, not to mention on size alone (don't forget Ali only weighed in at 215, Frazier less) but thats another argument. I've had the pleasure of watching them close up and the jab on Wladimir is as good, fast and hard as any punch I have ever witnessed live and I've seen Pacquiao's right hook, Lewis's uppercut and Roy Jones Jnr in his prime. Charismatic, yes he was, did that give him the right to racially abuse and insult Frazier then? Did it give him the right to mock his intelligence and do impressions of him just because he didnt agree with Ali black militant political stance while Clay mixed with all those pimps, drug dealers and criminals from the NOI? I'm amazed to be honest someone who comes across as anti racist as you seems to want to openly condone it when its against someone you dont seem to like. I had the volume up alright, the cheers when Ali goes down are as loud as they were when he staggered Frazier in the first, Joe won the hearts of a lot of people that night, he wasnt bright, he couldnt talk, he didnt want to insult people, he had to win over people through fighting, he couldnt do it through an anti-war stance and public humiliation, it makes him no less of a man because he couldnt. Didnt view him as an Uncle Tom? He spent ten years giving him the most horrific racial abuse possible to give a black man (a man who had lived a far "blacker" upbringing than middle-class Clay when you read their histories as well) besides the N Word. You'll be sticking up for Big Ron soon. RIP Joe.
foxoffderby Posted 9 November 2011 Posted 9 November 2011 Frazier alongside Mike Tyson was my all time favorite Heavyweight. His style was unique how he kept his dignity against the verbal bashing Ali gave him I don't understand. He was a complete powerhouse of a boxer. RIP Smokin Joe
Leicester_Loyal Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Just watched the Thrila in Manila, Ali was a **** to Joe.
foxoffderby Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Just watched the Thrila in Manila, Ali was a **** to Joe. I watched that documentry too, just renforced what I thought about Joe Frazier. There was an interesting interview with Larry Holmes who said Ali was the most overated heavyweight in history. I tend to agree he was probably the most high profile alongside Mike Tyson but never the greatest.
acooling08 Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Ha these days that fight would have been stopped when Ali went down and was on the ropes. Looking at Ali on Wikipedia, he sounds like a right twat. About 10 kids from 5 different women. *Avoids stereotypical racist comment*
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