acooling08 Posted 21 May 2012 Posted 21 May 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9276964/NHS-launches-diversity-week-with-transgender-art.html I think the public sector gets a sexual thrill out of wasting taxpayers money. With the NHS laying off thousands of nurses, this really is just senseless.
ozleicester Posted 22 May 2012 Posted 22 May 2012 No one can ever justify the value that art provides to a society, because society is now completely based on a dollars and results answer. Suffice to say, the world is a lesser place in a myriad ways without funding for the arts.
Saxondale Posted 22 May 2012 Posted 22 May 2012 It's frankly abhorrent that public service leaders can oppose spending cuts and being forced to make efficiency savings, yet allow OUR MONEY to be spent in such ways. It's the same old story: people who are spending other people's money don't give a flying fvck.
acooling08 Posted 22 May 2012 Author Posted 22 May 2012 No one can ever justify the value that art provides to a society, because society is now completely based on a dollars and results answer. Suffice to say, the world is a lesser place in a myriad ways without funding for the arts. I think the priorities should be primarily. a) the amount of nurses b) high quality training for nurses & c) the amount of equipment/supplies they have. Forgive me for putting transgender art towards the bottom of the importance pile.
Captain... Posted 22 May 2012 Posted 22 May 2012 I'm with cooling no this one. Art is great, but not a priority when we are being forced to cut things that are essential. Edit: having read more of that article I found one of my set hates, ****ing hr 200 quid a pop to send hr managers no a equalities seminar, is that really what is needed right now. It is sad that there are some people in this country that can't except people for who they are, but a don't think a few pictures in a hospital is going to change any of their bigoted views on the subject. I blame capitalism ;-)
BoneDog Posted 22 May 2012 Posted 22 May 2012 Why the hell should anyone celebrate transgender staff?! I don't start a party at work to celebrate the male staff. Just get on with your life and stop telling strangers your private business. Most people don't care if you're male, female, gay, straight or transgender, they just want to do a days work and try to have a nice day. I've worked with a gay or two before and I didn't prejudice them. If they were late for work I'd say something in a Bernard Manning voice like "Where've you bin?........Bummin?", but that was just banter and they gave as good as they got, and all in jest. If you are being bullied at work for being a transgender then just punch the person in the throat and say "Wa-Saaaaaaaah...you didn't see that comin did ya Sherlock" in a Bruce Lee voice, or report them to the boss. I think that those options are just as effective at raising awareness than airy fairy art conferences and such like. Some of the courses I hear about workers being sent on are ridiculous. They treat workers like blummin children and think that they need to teach us everything from our morals to how to wash our bollocks. This story annoys me aswell http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/21/unpaid-jobseekers-deliver-patient-care Is this The Big Society? Sack public sector workers and then let people do their old jobs for free. The poor are on their way to complete economic slavery.
MooseBreath Posted 22 May 2012 Posted 22 May 2012 This is the kind of extortionate jolly that is rife in the public sector. Having guaranteed funding no matter what puts these people in the position where they can swan around for a week looking at 'art' without any concern that it may impact upon results. Any sector where there is no good old fashioned free market driving efficiencies across it will always suffer from this kind of wasteful crap.
Captain... Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 This is the kind of extortionate jolly that is rife in the public sector. Having guaranteed funding no matter what puts these people in the position where they can swan around for a week looking at 'art' without any concern that it may impact upon results. Any sector where there is no good old fashioned free market driving efficiencies across it will always suffer from this kind of wasteful crap. Are we turning this into another Capitalism debate, I will agree with you that on current evidence that appears to be the truth, but that is down to mismanagement, and not the economic policy, and down to the whole concept of spend it or lose it when it comes to budgets, rather than rewarding people for making savings, but whether that is a tenant of capitalism or not I don't know.
Jimothy Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 This is exactly what's wrong with the current Government's spending cuts plan. Yes budget's needed to be tightened but it's been done in the wrong way. They haven't looked at where the money is being wasted. The current plan is akin to leaving your teenage at son at home for a week whilst you go on holiday and giving him a £100 to buy food. You return from your holiday to find he's bought a £5 pizza and spent the rest on Playstation games, and he's malnourished. So next time you go on holiday, you only give him £80, and this time you return to find him in an even worse state having bought no food and spent the whole £80 on Playstation games. When what you should have done, realising he was a complete retard was go out and buy him the food before you left and left him hardly any money. By the same token, the Government, rather than looking at where departments are spunking money up the wall on pointless projects like this and stopping that happening, they've just said well you had £20bn before, we need to cut back, you can have £12bn now. And of course the managers and the others who decide where the money is spent are, like the teenage boy, ****ing retards and are going to carry on wasting money on this kind of crap. Before all these cuts it wasn't so much how much was spent that was the problem, it was where it was spent. Stop the waste and the budgets would have dropped naturally, but waste wasn't addressed, clearly continues to happen, and with less money, this is at the detriment of front-line services.
sphericalfox Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 I love how the fact that the whole premise of this has been skewed as a transgender parade or something ridiculous. The NHS as ALL public sectors must conform to the legislation that the is encompassed within Equality & Diversity. I would imagine that the transgender portion of this week exploring, discussing, and highlighting the importance of equality and diversity within a system and sector which in the past has been VERY unequal and VERY discriminate should be celebrated and the papers, as usual, will pull the most negative angle possible (as per usual with the NHS). Please remember the size and scale of the NHS and the people it employs and if you know nothing about Equality and Diversity, I suggest to do and bit of reading, and whilst not every element of this organised national week of education for its employees might be 'up your street', it is important nonetheless. Would you prefer a bigoted and unfair NHS employment system which discriminates against, gender, race, religion, or disability? Sure perhaps it might well have been organised differently with less cost, as most things might well be, but anyone saying its a waste of time, in my view don't necessarily know the facts or don't care.
Captain... Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 I love how the fact that the whole premise of this has been skewed as a transgender parade or something ridiculous. The NHS as ALL public sectors must conform to the legislation that the is encompassed within Equality & Diversity. I would imagine that the transgender portion of this week exploring, discussing, and highlighting the importance of equality and diversity within a system and sector which in the past has been VERY unequal and VERY discriminate should be celebrated and the papers, as usual, will pull the most negative angle possible (as per usual with the NHS). Please remember the size and scale of the NHS and the people it employs and if you know nothing about Equality and Diversity, I suggest to do and bit of reading, and whilst not every element of this organised national week of education for its employees might be 'up your street', it is important nonetheless. Would you prefer a bigoted and unfair NHS employment system which discriminates against, gender, race, religion, or disability? Sure perhaps it might well have been organised differently with less cost, as most things might well be, but anyone saying its a waste of time, in my view don't necessarily know the facts or don't care. Do we really need this kind of stuff these days? Are there really people working in a caring profession who need to go on a seminar to understand these issues.
sphericalfox Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 Do we really need this kind of stuff these days? Are there really people working in a caring profession who need to go on a seminar to understand these issues. It's a legal obligation. I would have thought that the seminars and/or learning would be a good way of passing on knowledge through dessimination and discourage discrimination the workplace and in recruitment.
FoxyPV Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 Do we really need this kind of stuff these days? Are there really people working in a caring profession who need to go on a seminar to understand these issues. You'd be surprised at how bigoted people are when you scratch the surface. This sort of thing is compulsory so there's no point in arguing about. The real waste was shown recently in our office when my manager told the guy who does the orders to buy a dishwasher for an office of 25/30 people and for whom most don't even use dishes!! Not only this but we wanted to get a table and chairs for outside when the weather's good, so we thought pool some money and go to B&Q and get their value range. We were told we couldn't do this and that it had to be ordered in. We don't have a contract with Argos etc so the table and chairs have to be built by hand and will end up costing an absolute fortune due to bureaucracy.
Saxondale Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 I love how the fact that the whole premise of this has been skewed as a transgender parade or something ridiculous. The NHS as ALL public sectors must conform to the legislation that the is encompassed within Equality & Diversity. I would imagine that the transgender portion of this week exploring, discussing, and highlighting the importance of equality and diversity within a system and sector which in the past has been VERY unequal and VERY discriminate should be celebrated and the papers, as usual, will pull the most negative angle possible (as per usual with the NHS). Please remember the size and scale of the NHS and the people it employs and if you know nothing about Equality and Diversity, I suggest to do and bit of reading, and whilst not every element of this organised national week of education for its employees might be 'up your street', it is important nonetheless. Would you prefer a bigoted and unfair NHS employment system which discriminates against, gender, race, religion, or disability? Sure perhaps it might well have been organised differently with less cost, as most things might well be, but anyone saying its a waste of time, in my view don't necessarily know the facts or don't care. I think you're entirely missing the point. This is not about policy, discrimination, equality or anything else like that. It's about spending health service funds with wanton disregard.
sphericalfox Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 I think you're entirely missing the point. This is not about policy, discrimination, equality or anything else like that. It's about spending health service funds with wanton disregard. Yup it's me who's missing the point
Saxondale Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 Yup it's me who's missing the point Well I'm glad you agree. If somebody needs to go on a £199 seminar to be told not to take the piss out of their transsexual colleagues, they probably shouldn't be in their management post in the first place.
FoxyPV Posted 23 May 2012 Posted 23 May 2012 Well I'm glad you agree. If somebody needs to go on a £199 seminar to be told not to take the piss out of their transsexual colleagues, they probably shouldn't be in their management post in the first place. Naivety
acooling08 Posted 23 May 2012 Author Posted 23 May 2012 I'd like to know just how many transexual NHS workers there are.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 I'd like to know just how many transexual NHS workers there are. Don't waste your time, they are all already spoken for, and you're not their type anyway.
21st Century Fox Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 He'll be applying the Dundee Test next time he goes for a check-up.
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