z-layrex Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 If they don't want shit pay they shouldn't have shit jobs that a trained chimp could do.
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 If they don't want shit pay they shouldn't have shit jobs that a trained chimp could do. A bit like nursing.
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Try harder. I don't have to, the point is proved. You work as someone who, as a body, have bitched non-stop ever since I was a kid about low-wages. A body which used to stand shoulder to shoulder in demanding a living wage for all employee - but one you've obviously opted out from now with your 'fvck you, I'm OK' attitude. Good for you. Oh, and how many wards are closed at your place currently (as the standard of hygiene has plummeted in line with the privatisation of cleaning & paying minimum wage within the NHS)?
z-layrex Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I don't have to, the point is proved. You work as someone who, as a body, have bitched non-stop ever since I was a kid about low-wages. A body which used to stand shoulder to shoulder in demanding a living wage for all employee - but one you've obviously opted out from now with your 'fvck you, I'm OK' attitude. Good for you. Oh, and how many wards are closed at your place currently (as the standard of hygiene has plummeted in line with the privatisation of cleaning & paying minimum wage within the NHS)? Ok for starters, you have to realise two thirds of what I say on this board is complete tongue in cheek bollocks, I treat the internet as a joke and forget sometimes that other people take it a bit more seriously. Of course I don't think earning 6.50 an hour in London is fair, how anyone lives on that I don't know. Secondly, I actually think the wage for nursing is completely fair. Yes I think it's an important job that takes a lot of skill and knowledge, but I also think almost anyone who's not a complete disabled could do it given the experience. I'm certainly not an intelligent person, but I manage to function pretty well in an Intensive Care unit thanks to quality training and a few years experience. People often insult my job here as a retort to one of my trolls, which I find strange, I am under no illusions about what I do. Thirdly, in answer to your question, none. I find the standard of cleaners in the two trusts i've worked in very good, usually really pleased with how thorough they are.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I take it that aomeone doing a job that pays minimum wage and someone that earns for example £12 per hour is going to pay half price for their food, electricity gas travel expenses and anything else that both buy. That seems fair to me.
sphericalfox Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Ok for starters, you have to realise two thirds of what I say on this board is complete tongue in cheek bollocks, I treat the internet as a joke and forget sometimes that other people take it a bit more seriously. Of course I don't think earning 6.50 an hour in London is fair, how anyone lives on that I don't know. Secondly, I actually think the wage for nursing is completely fair. Yes I think it's an important job that takes a lot of skill and knowledge, but I also think almost anyone who's not a complete disabled could do it given the experience. I'm certainly not an intelligent person, but I manage to function pretty well in an Intensive Care unit thanks to quality training and a few years experience. People often insult my job here as a retort to one of my trolls, which I find strange, I am under no illusions about what I do. Thirdly, in answer to your question, none. I find the standard of cleaners in the two trusts i've worked in very good, usually really pleased with how thorough they are. I imagine they weren't PFIs ?
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I think there was talk of having a minimum wage which adjusts based on location, which seems sensible, but will inevitably cause uproar when London gets a rise and everyone else gets a cut. Do these cleaners think they are public sector workers or what? What are they gonna do, strike? Oh no, we'll have to empty our own bins! If they want more money all they need to do is charge more or ask their employer for a rise. They won't get it because cleaning isn't worth any more than minimum wage.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Yes, cleaners are the dregs of societ so don't deserve a living wage. Are bin men in the same catagory? Street cleaners? waitresses? Litter pickers? Miners? Fishermen? Dinner ladies? Nannys?
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Jobs are worth whatever people will pay to have them done. If you've got a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with the concept of employment.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I can imagine a few on Foxestalk being pretty pissed off if their boss told them they were halving their wages because that is all they thought the job was worth.
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I don't believe even you fail to grasp this simple concept.
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 ...a minimum wage which adjusts based on location...will inevitably cause uproar when London gets a rise and everyone else gets a cut. I don't believe even you fail to grasp this simple concept.
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I don't believe even you fail to grasp this simple concept. You think that won't happen?
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Would you agree to a pay cut if your boss said he thought your job was worth less? Jobs are worth whatever people will pay to have them done
AoWW Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I take it that aomeone doing a job that pays minimum wage and someone that earns for example £12 per hour is going to pay half price for their food, electricity gas travel expenses and anything else that both buy. That seems fair to me. I'm assuming that if someone is paid minimum wage it's for an unskilled job. Presumably the person who's paid £12 an hour has a more skilled role that will have required a reasonable amount of training and/or experience. That seems fair to me.
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Would you agree to a pay cut if your boss said he thought your job was worth less? Depends on the circumstances, but personally in my present position, no, i'd leave and so would everyone else, forcing my boss either out of business or into paying people what they're worth.
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 ]Take notice, That England is not a Free People, till the Poor that have no land, have a free allowance to dig and labour the Commons, and so live as Comfortably as the Landlords that live in their Inclosures. For the People have not laid out their Monies, and shed their Bloud, that their Landlords, the Norman power, should still have its liberty and freedom to rule in Tyranny in his Lords, landlords, Judges, Justices, Bayliffs, and State Servants; but that the Oppressed might be set Free, Prison doors opened, and the Poor peoples hearts comforted by an universal Consent of making the Earth a Common Treasury, that they may live together as one House of Israel, united in brotherly love into one Spirit; and having a comfortable livelihood in the Community of one Earth their Mother. [/b]
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 To be frank, I'm a bit unsure about the whole House of Israel thing.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 To be frank, I'm a bit unsure about the whole House of Israel thing. That was the weak part of the speech.
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I thought the whole communist overtone thing was the weak part. By the way, if ultimate happiness and whatever comes from equality, why does nonsense like that always focus on useless poor people? Surely in that case the rich are suffering just as much from inequality? Or do we at once concede that money is great while also claiming that people shouldn't want more money?
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 I thought the whole communist overtone thing was the weak part. This was your weak part. Communism? He may have laid foundations for the concept but he certainly wasn't one. And why are you so bothered about the rich seeing as you aren't one of them?
MooseBreath Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 This was your weak part. Communism? He may have laid foundations for the concept but he certainly wasn't one. And why are you so bothered about the rich seeing as you aren't one of them? Because without them I probably wouldn't have a job.
Daggers Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Because without them I probably wouldn't have a job. I'm sure someone of your enthusiasm for the internet would be able to do something off your own back. Or, start growing your own food, living from the land and making an existence with...Hell, fvck that, you'd be a really crap hippy.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Maybe we should go back to the age of unpaid servents after all they are just useless poor.
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