flowwolf Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You don't have to make a joke about it but surely anyone else who wishes to can. My post wasn't a joke. The guy abused his position and the trust in the entire police force - which is so badlky needed- is hurt by him. He then gets caught and instead of facing the democratic punishment he goes and throws himself in front of a train. This must have a negative effect on the driver, on his family and it costs public money. I don't see where he deserevs any respect but that's up to you. Sounds like a willy puller to me. Sounds like a fellow human being to me. Personally I hope he has found peace , after all he did not murder anyone or rape or sexually abuse children all for which I would quite happily push under a train for doing.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 Both true. I guess this statement makes you like (as in the same as) me then. No. Generally I make informed judgements and tend to avoid assuming I understand something I don't. On this subject I happen to know rather more than you, knowing a number of people who have found themselves in a place where the only option seemed to be suicide. Fortunately most have not succeeded, but some including my Uncle have. Life is not always black and white, and sometimes a stupid mistake snowballs into a tragedy.
Guest Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 No. Generally I make informed judgements and tend to avoid assuming I understand something I don't. On this subject I happen to know rather more than you, knowing a number of people who have found themselves in a place where the only option seemed to be suicide. Fortunately most have not succeeded, but some including my Uncle have. Life is not always black and white, and sometimes a stupid mistake snowballs into a tragedy. You called me ignorant and judgemental. Being as you don't know me at all that makes you ignorant AND judgemental but worse you don't realise it or can't admit it. For all you know I could be the guy's wife. So your uncle comitted suicide, I'm sorry that he made you feel bad. Life is never black and white , mate. everyone makes mistakes and then they have to face them. It's still selfish to kill yourself and leave others feeling bad.
ADK Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You called me ignorant and judgemental. Being as you don't know me at all that makes you ignorant AND judgemental but worse you don't realise it or can't admit it. For all you know I could be the guy's wife. So your uncle comitted suicide, I'm sorry that he made you feel bad. Life is never black and white , mate. everyone makes mistakes and then they have to face them. It's still selfish to kill yourself and leave others feeling bad. I think you're abit of a tosser.
Guest Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 I think you're abit of a tosser. And you have every right to think so. I know you're a waghorn hater and I don't think you're much of a City supporter.
Carl the Llama Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 And you have every right to think so. I know you're a waghorn hater and I don't think you're much of a City supporter. You're still a bit of a dick though (in this thread in any case).
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You called me ignorant and judgemental. Being as you don't know me at all that makes you ignorant AND judgemental but worse you don't realise it or can't admit it. For all you know I could be the guy's wife. So your uncle comitted suicide, I'm sorry that he made you feel bad. Life is never black and white , mate. everyone makes mistakes and then they have to face them. It's still selfish to kill yourself and leave others feeling bad. I made a reasoned statement based on your ignorant and judgemental comments
THEFATBASTARD Posted 20 October 2012 Author Posted 20 October 2012 Hope people take the piss out of you lot when you die. To be honest.... I have more sympathy for the poor train driver who had to see his selfish act, Im sure he is in a bad way today,This officer appears to be the architect of his own downfall, and was not man enough to face the music....Its sad thing, but from my experience police officers have very little compassion or understanding for a lot of the poor unfortunates they bust..and are very judgemental ,just like you.
Guest Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You're still a bit of a dick though (in this thread in any case). I am. Ideas have no flesh and blood, they are often heartless but I like to entertain them . I made a reasoned statement based on your ignorant and judgemental comments You made a judgement in ignorance of so many facts on my comments. but you are a thinking being who has every right to do that. You may or may not be wrong but that is an irrelevance.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 To be honest.... I have more sympathy for the poor train driver who had to see his selfish act, Im sure he is in a bad way today,This officer appears to be the architect of his own downfall, and was not man enough to face the music....Its sad thing, but from my experience police officers have very little compassion or understanding for a lot of the poor unfortunates they bust..and are very judgemental ,just like you. Yeah, people who are suicidal should just man up and pull themselves together. Jesus Christ.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 20 October 2012 Author Posted 20 October 2012 Yeah, people who are suicidal should just man up and pull themselves together. Jesus Christ. You have got it..its a selfish act..especially when you involve other innocents in it ..
ADK Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You have got it..its a selfish act..especially when you involve other innocents in it ..
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 You have got it..its a selfish act..especially when you involve other innocents in it .. Your assumption that suicide is a rational decision is flabbergasting.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 20 October 2012 Author Posted 20 October 2012 Your assumption that suicide is a rational decision is flabbergasting. To say all suicide choices are irrational is patronising .. you have obviously not followed the debate on assissted suicide.,.and the swiss clinic.. .during world war 2 ..thousands of brave men and women from this country went on missions knowing they would not come back..were they irrational? please don't condescend to know what is going on in everybody elses mind..
Carl the Llama Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 To say all suicide choices are irrational is patronising .. you have obviously not followed the debate on assissted suicide.,.and the swiss clinic.. .during world war 2 ..thousands of brave men and women from this country went on missions knowing they would not come back..were they irrational? please don't condescend to know what is going on in everybody elses mind.. Is the discussion centred around WWII or assisted suicide? No, it's about people committing suicide as a result of personal trauma or depression (self inflicted or otherwise) - neither body of people *by definition* in the 'right' state of mind (if that exists), hence irrational. Suicide is a very complex discussion to have, no need to make it even more so with needless pedantry. One could even argue you're being patronising and xenophobic by not acknowledging that brave, non-English, and/or modern day people enter into warzones to go "on missions knowing they would not come back", but that's another pedantic story for another pedantic day.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 20 October 2012 Author Posted 20 October 2012 Is the discussion centred around WWII or assisted suicide? No, it's about people committing suicide as a result of personal trauma or depression (self inflicted or otherwise) - neither body of people *by definition* in the 'right' state of mind (if that exists), hence irrational. Suicide is a very complex discussion to have, no need to make it even more so with needless pedantry. One could even argue you're being patronising and xenophobic by not acknowledging that brave, non-English, and/or modern day people enter into warzones to go "on missions knowing they would not come back", but that's another pedantic story for another pedantic day. I was just pointing out that all acts of suicide are not irrational... as was stated .. just because I didn't include none british folk does make it a snub or racist or xenophobic.....dear oh dear.. I do believe this example was a selfish act though. causing distress to others .....what was he thinking ?... how does anyone really know ?
Daggers Posted 20 October 2012 Posted 20 October 2012 Suicide is the product of trauma. Think about what it would take for you to seriously consider taking your own fvcking life. Think about what horror would impel you to take steps that no sane person would tread. A traffic offence does not justify the death of someone regardless of what you think of the police. Get a fvcking grip.
Guest Posted 21 October 2012 Posted 21 October 2012 21,000 children die every day through malnutrion and some of you are worrying about a guy who did wrong and then couldn't face the consequences.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 21 October 2012 Author Posted 21 October 2012 21,000 children die every day through malnutrion and some of you are worrying about a guy who did wrong and then couldn't face the consequences. fair point..
Jon the Hat Posted 21 October 2012 Posted 21 October 2012 21,000 children die every day through malnutrion and some of you are worrying about a guy who did wrong and then couldn't face the consequences. Well if you start a thread on that subject no doubt you will also find ignorance and judgement there too.
ADK Posted 21 October 2012 Posted 21 October 2012 I'm glad we live in a society where life is valued. (Well by most)
Guest Posted 21 October 2012 Posted 21 October 2012 I'm glad we live in a society where life is valued. (Well by most) What is that supposed to mean?
THEFATBASTARD Posted 21 October 2012 Author Posted 21 October 2012 Well if you start a thread on that subject no doubt you will also find ignorance and judgement there too. Think thats probably aimed at me..I respect your opinions without having to make perjorative comments about you... or other contributors. please respect mine ..there is just the slight chance you may be wrong you know....
Jon the Hat Posted 21 October 2012 Posted 21 October 2012 Think thats probably aimed at me..I respect your opinions without having to make perjorative comments about you... or other contributors. please respect mine ..there is just the slight chance you may be wrong you know.... Actually it wasn't aimed at you, but if the cap fits...
THEFATBASTARD Posted 21 October 2012 Author Posted 21 October 2012 Actually it wasn't aimed at you, but if the cap fits... it was a generall dig then...ok..
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