Job Agent boasts about stopping benefits on Twitter

[Guest MattP]

Her job is not to stereotype then boast about making peoples lives a misery.

 

I have just seen a comment on Facebook from a woman that worked at a jobcentre for 12 years and never sanctioned anyone. She said she gave a lecture to a few and told them they were taking the piss and get their act together. They are there to help people back into work not to judge.

I looked at that BT action group FB page. They have sent a Q/A to over 400 councils and all but a few say the demand to downsize far outweigns the number available properties so residents who were struggling before are a lot worse off now.

It may look a good idea on paper but in practice it simply does not work.

 

No, her job is to recruit people, then the people who shes gave an opportunity to don't turn up for interviews and cause her more work, she gets angry and goes onto Twitter to say she will contact the job centre and get their benefits taken off them. The only unprofessional part was going onto Twitter, the rest of what she did was fine. Commendable in fact, how many employees would be too lazy not to even bother ringing the job centre to inform people arent turning up for what they are probably putting down that they are on their claims form.

 

I have no idea who she "stereotyped".

 

If you worked at a Job Centre for 12 years and never sanctioned anyone you are clearly not doing your job properly and are using politically motivations to justify it, they should be sacked, not this girl.

 

Get over the Bedroom tax, you lost, you went to court, it's coming in, it will save money, it works.

[ADK]

Surely if it was all ok she wouldn't have been suspended.

[Rincewind]

just a couple of replies from councils who were requested to list one bedroomed properties available and the number requesting a down size. Its pretty much the same all over.

 

Caroline Egglestone For the week 31st July to 5th August there were a total of 8 properties advertised.
One of these being a one-bedroom property for general needs

2. There are 65 under-occupying tenants registered needing one-bedroom
accommodation ...See More

5 hours ago · Like

Caroline Egglestone epping forest
1. How many one bedroom general needs properties do you have available to Let
(voids) this week? – 7 one bedroom general needs properties

2. How many tenants are deemed to be under-occupying, and needing one bed
accommodation? – Information not held - We are currently re-registering and re-
banding people on the waiting list and therefore cannot provide an accurate
figure at the moment. We do offer an alternative figure as an estimate which is
to say there are 141 people in Band 1 (the band which contains those who are
downsizing) waiting for a one bedroom property, but these will be a mixture of
all needs within Band 1.

3. How many people are already on the waiting list for one bedroom properties? - We
currently have a total of 3712 people waiting for 1 bedroom accommodation.

[Guest MattP]

They showed a few on the BBC last week (singles and small families) being successfully rehoused so it isn't 'pretty much the same all over'

[separator]

Surely if it was all ok she wouldn't have been suspended.

 

Only thing she did wrong was going onto twitter. She organises job interviews, people don't turn up, she gets annoyed. This sort of thing happens in all sorts of jobs, everyday of the year in all sorts of industries. As stated by others only thing she did wrong was blab about it on twitter. I got the impression she was annoyed at people who just didn't turn up, as opposed to people who had a genuine delay or emergency and may have called up to say they couldn't make it.

[Rincewind]

Of course they will rehouse some. These are figures being given by councils. NOT MADE UP.

 

8 properties av ailable 65 waiting. 57 tenants cannot move. Some in these properties who need rooms for carers and equipment.

 

We'd still have slavery if  people gave up at the first hurdle.

[kylestyle06]

II have heard of people having their money stopped for being ten minutes late. And what if a persons child takes ill? Are they supposed to leave them? or if a child carer fails to show? These people still have their only income stopped and this woman is typical of the ones that stereo type and fall for the myths put out by sections of the media.

I hope she is sacked and refused benefits when she struggles to find another job.

You sound a bitter person really... I take it you've had no look with looking for a job via a recruitment agency??

So what if she slated some lazy unemployable tosser for not turning up to an interview. I hope his benefits get stopped and he MAY just MAY start turning up to interviews .

[Guest MattP]

Of course they will rehouse some. These are figures being given by councils. NOT MADE UP.

 

8 properties av ailable 65 waiting. 57 tenants cannot move. Some in these properties who need rooms for carers and equipment.

 

We'd still have slavery if  people gave up at the first hurdle.

 

Those figures are bollocks. We still do have slavery actually, have you not looked at the amount of people trafficked across the World? Ever been to China? Dubai? It's everywhere.

 

We've just stopped in this Western World to an extent.

[Rincewind]

Fair enough. You win. I give up.

 

It's not happening to me so why should I care>

[Guest MattP]

Everyone should care about modern day slavery.

 

Just because it stopped happening to black people a few hundred years ago shouldn't mean you turn a blind eye everywhere else.

[Rincewind]

The figures given were from councils as part of the Freedom Of Information act..

[Webbo]

The figures given were from councils as part of the Freedom Of Information act..

I thought you'd given up?

[Rincewind]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bedroomtaxactiongroup/doc/491176560957414/

[Guest MattP]

Hello, welcome and thanks for joining!

I have set this group up just to DO something about the Bedroom Tax (BT). There are lots of groups discussing it but I felt I needed to do more, I also wanted something for disabled members (or those that can't get to protests) to be able to get involved in

I have the list of all the MP's that have voted for BT and/or against any of the Lord's ammendments so they will be the first on our 'target' list!

Please add or invite all your friends,

more members = more emails = more hassle we are causing them

If you know of any events taking place please add them to the Events tag on this group

Please post here about protests and petitions but if you have general questions/comments about BT please use this group

 there you will find loads of useful help and advice.

Linda

 

 

 

I bet the Tories are absolutely shitting it, 700 members on a Facebook group.

[Alf Bentley]

Not if I'm interviewing.

 

You won't be, though, Matt, as you don't have time for work or business as you're constantly on Foxestalk (10 posts since midday in this topic alone).

 

The Bedroom Tax Action Group. Can't even begin to imagine what a unwashed rabble of filth that lot would be.

 

If you were to get jailed for trolling, your Mum might find out if she got taxed for your vacant bedroom. 

 

Get over the Bedroom tax, you lost, you went to court, it's coming in, it will save money, it works.

 

Killing all the unemployed, low paid and disabled would also save money on housing benefit. What do you reckon?

 

They showed a few on the BBC last week (singles and small families) being successfully rehoused so it isn't 'pretty much the same all over'

 

Anecdotal evidence is not representative. BBC showed LCFC winning at Boro last week, but we haven't won the league.

 

Those figures are bollocks. 

 

Here are some official figures based on Freedom of Information requests: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/big-lie-behind-the-bedroom-tax-families-trapped-with-nowhere-to-move-face-penalty-for-having-spare-room-8745597.html

 

Everyone should care about modern day slavery.

 

Just because it stopped happening to black people a few hundred years ago shouldn't mean you turn a blind eye everywhere else.

 

     Humbug! Chutzpah! Bullshit! Seriously, as if you care about that?! Such people are unsuccessful capitalists, aren't they?! Kick the ****ers to death like Maggie would have demanded!

 

I bet the Tories are absolutely shitting it, 700 members on a Facebook group.

 

As opposed to 1 Mitty on a football forum, albeit 1 with an inexplicable number of pre-pubescent admirers....

 

 

Info from Independent:

 

"The Government’s justification for its controversial “bedroom tax†has been debunked by new figures showing that up to 96 per cent of those affected have, in effect, nowhere to move. The policy means that tenants have their housing benefit reduced by 14 per cent if they have one spare bedroom, and 25 per cent if they have two or more spare bedrooms".

 

"For the 38 councils that provided full data, 99,079 families are expected to be affected by the bedroom tax, but only 3,803 one and two-bedroom social housing properties are available – just 3.8 per cent of the homes required to rehouse the families who are hit".

 

"More than half of those affected by the policy have a disability – and campaigners say they will appeal against last week’s High Court decision that it did not discriminate against disabled people, who often need an extra room in which to sleep alone".

 

"The chief executive of Citizens Advice, Gillian Guy, said: “Discretionary housing payments are worth only a small fraction of the total cut in housing benefit and are often only temporary, meaning problems can go unresolved.â€

 

"Chris Goulden, head of poverty at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, said: “It is very difficult to see how this policy can work without causing severe hardship, particularly as many of those affected are disabled people. The housing benefit bill could also rise if more people move into the private rented sector because of a shortage of one or two-bedroom properties in social housing.â€

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/big-lie-behind-the-bedroom-tax-families-trapped-with-nowhere-to-move-face-penalty-for-having-spare-room-8745597.html

[Guest MattP]

I've been working from 10am and I'm still on it now actually Alf. Very busy, massive problem with working on the Internet is the temptations there all the time.

 

Mitty, I actually like it, makes me chuckle, I'd be careful though, you know what happened the last time a spokesman for the Labour party came out and used that term against someone.

[Guest MattP]

Can we have a link from a right wing paper as well please Paul? I can't stand reading the Guardian, Indy etc

[Rincewind]

The DM doesn't want to upset its readers and the Sun will only publish the story if it comes with breasts.

 

There are other sources. Since April DNO have found 400 stories around social issues including disability, housing and health. And they have not all come from The Guardian or indepenxent. They have been researched and gathered from charity workers, service users the disabled among many others so to coin a phase the stories come from the horses mouth.

I'm surprised at how much we have found but the stories are double checked and validated for legal purposes. We name the source so the accuacy can be checked.

 

ruddy hell its 2am

[Guest MattP]

I wouldn't call the Sun right-wing, it just goes with whatever populist agenda is the current the fashion.

 

Looking for something from the Times or the Telegraph ideally.

[Lamby]

The thing is with most of these "appointments" is that they don't tell you about them in the first place then they spring it on you like "oh so why didn't you attend this one?" and never believe you weren't notified of it.

[Alf Bentley]

Can we have a link from a right wing paper as well please Paul? I can't stand reading the Guardian, Indy etc

 

Looking for something from the Times or the Telegraph ideally.

 

Always happy to oblige, Matt. Here's a Torygraph piece on why the bedroom tax is "mean, oppressive and a politically daft gift to the left": http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/allanmassie/100067590/the-spare-bedroom-tax-is-mean-oppressive-and-a-politically-daft-gift-to-the-left/

 

Now I must go and do something more constructive. I've got a cheek, frankly, lambasting you for making multiple posts and not doing any work. I'm on leave at the moment, so I've got even less excuse for being on here arguing with Tory provocateurs. That's all very well as a temporary diversion from work, but is no way to spend my holiday....I hereby ban myself from arguing with you for at least a week!

[MooseBreath]

If there aren't enough one beds to house the huge number of people currently living in oversized properties, surely the solution is to make individuals share the larger properties? A lot of full time workers have to live in shared houses. Absolutely no reason why your typical hand out receiver can't share too. Problem solved.

[Alf Bentley]

If there aren't enough one beds to house the huge number of people currently living in oversized properties, surely the solution is to make individuals share the larger properties? A lot of full time workers have to live in shared houses. Absolutely no reason why your typical hand out receiver can't share too. Problem solved.

 

To be fair, this could help in the case of single people without a disability, provided that it was handled with a minimum amount of common sense (e.g. not making a 21-year-old party animal share with a 59-year-old recluse or a BNP thug with a black person). When I was younger, I shared houses both with people I already knew and people I didn't, both when working and during the brief period (part of 1983) when I was on the dole.

 

It wouldn't work in more complicated cases, though: couples where 1 person had a disability/illness that required a second room for sleep or equipment; parents whose kids have just left for college but return during vacations; families where someone goes on tours of duty with the TA but lives there the rest of the time etc.

 

Anyway, I said that I'd not get drawn into more arguments with political opponents, so I'll go and do something useful with my holiday time now....just thought Moose made an interesting new point that had some merit.

[Guest MattP]

Always happy to oblige, Matt. Here's a Torygraph piece on why the bedroom tax is "mean, oppressive and a politically daft gift to the left": http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/allanmassie/100067590/the-spare-bedroom-tax-is-mean-oppressive-and-a-politically-daft-gift-to-the-left/

 

Now I must go and do something more constructive. I've got a cheek, frankly, lambasting you for making multiple posts and not doing any work. I'm on leave at the moment, so I've got even less excuse for being on here arguing with Tory provocateurs. That's all very well as a temporary diversion from work, but is no way to spend my holiday....I hereby ban myself from arguing with you for at least a week!

 

I hope not, You're one of the best political contributors on here when you get going.

 

Interesting read, I felt his opposition to it from that article came from the fact it was going to be a political gift to the left rather than his genuine hatred for the policy though.

 

One thing we all need to do it stop calling this a 'tax' though, it quite clearly isn't one in any shape or form.

[Alf Bentley]

I hope not, You're one of the best political contributors on here when you get going.

 

Interesting read, I felt his opposition to it from that article came from the fact it was going to be a political gift to the left rather than his genuine hatred for the policy though.

 

One thing we all need to do it stop calling this a 'tax' though, it quite clearly isn't one in any shape or form.

 

Flattery will get you everywhere, Matt!

 

Well, all I've achieved with my morning off is to throw lots of water over 2 schoolgirls in a paddling pool....but I suppose some perves would pay good money for that! Must get more done this afternoon...

 

Re. "tax": I'm sure that if someone is given no option to move to alternative accommodation and the state takes money from their income, it feels not just like tax but like victimisation...even if it technically is a benefits cut, not a tax. Mind you, "tax" shouldn't be a dirty word. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm always quite proud to cough up my income tax/NICs. If you want public services, someone has to pay for them, so it's just a matter of how many services / how much tax and who should pay it.

 

Not doing very well with my self-ban on Foxestalk arguments, am I?!