Pregnant Jihadi girls want to go home..

[JmorsonLCFC]

No - it's down to radicalisation of young people by a few imams from the more extremist branches of Islam, not because 1 paper which has pretty much become a byword for nonsense in the minds of most says a few stupid things. I certainly don't see these claims of them being second rate citizens - yes, some people don't like their beliefs but that doesn't make them a second class citizen.

like i've said before, if your race was in the paper every day for doing something bad, and being the cause of evil, then you would feel oppressed. I think that qualifies enough as being a second rate person

[JmorsonLCFC]

If we're talking about the current air strikes, what should we do instead - let hundreds of Kurds, Christians and yazidis be slaughtered? In terms of military force, us and America are two of the most powerful countries in the world, some would argue (quite rightly) we have a duty to protect those being subjected to such an abuse of human rights and to lend a hand to those who cannot defend themselves.

fighting fire with fire again....

Why not do anything about the clear genocide in palestine then? or do they have enough to protect themselves? What about the dictatorships in africa...what about every other oppressed nation in the world? North Korea?

 

The only thing we care about is oil and it is quite obvious looking at it from a teenagers point of view.

[leicesterlad1989]

yes but everything you have listed has been criticised or shouted about in the media. You turn on any major news channel, read any major newspaper and they will have an article tarring muslims with the extremism brush. if this happened to you every day you, and the rest of your race would be pissed off. I know if I was in a country where I got looked at differently simply for the way i beleive in god, id like to think i'd rise against it...as would anyone in a state of oppression.

 

What do you mean 'IS' popped up... they didn't come out of the ground, they are people you know, with different things to fight for than me and you.

 

So what is your jsutification for going to another war in iraq? They've beheaded how many people?

 

Have we not as a nation tarnished other religions too over the years who have committed crimes of terror? As for "I know if I was in a country where I got looked at differently simply for the way i beleive in god, id like to think i'd rise against it," so retaliating by beheading others is a way of countering that?

 

Now excuse me for butting in on this debate but I am part waiting for you to announce the fact you are joining IS with some of the shite you are talking.

[The Doctor]

like i've said before, if your race was in the paper every day for doing something bad, and being the cause of evil, then you would feel oppressed. I think that qualifies enough as being a second rate person

 

But they aren't - the mail aside they're not really potrayed as terrorist maniacs, and no-one takes the mail seriously. As for being a second rate citizen - if it comes with being provided hundreds of places to worship, given the ability to settle their disputes in a different legal system to their own and our banking system setting up another wing to provide them with one, then I'd quite happily be a second class citizen. As it is, they aren't second class citizens - they have all the rights that anyone else has, and special concessions given to them - a few nutty papers does not overturn all that.

 

Hell, the media also panders to them quite a bit, for instance this tripe: http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/what-historical-inaccuracies-dracula-untold-tell-us-about-rise-islamophobia

 

"Film where Vlad the Impaler is the hero has him fighting Muslims - Islamaphobia!!111" - despite, y'know, Vlad The Impaler spending his life fighting the Ottaman empire - which was predominantly Muslim.

 

fighting fire with fire again....

Why not do anything about the clear genocide in palestine then? or do they have enough to protect themselves? What about the dictatorships in africa...what about every other oppressed nation in the world? North Korea?

 

The only thing we care about is oil and it is quite obvious looking at it from a teenagers point of view.

 

Israel vs Palestine is a legitimate war - IS' massacre of Kurds, Yazidis and Christians isn't.

 

Because teenagers are naive - this isn't about oil (60% of it comes from the north sea, the rest of our imports mostly comes from Norway and Qatar - not Iraq or Syria), they are executing hundreds of people - how long do we sit around saying not our problem? Once they've reached the UK? Think of a regime about 70-75 years ago who would round up and kill people who were "wrong". Imagine we'd sat around ignoring their atrocities until they reached us...

[JmorsonLCFC]

But they aren't - the mail aside they're not really potrayed as terrorist maniacs, and no-one takes the mail seriously. As for being a second rate citizen - if it comes with being provided hundreds of places to worship, given the ability to settle their disputes in a different legal system to their own and our banking system setting up another wing to provide them with one, then I'd quite happily be a second class citizen. As it is, they aren't second class citizens - they have all the rights that anyone else has, and special concessions given to them - a few nutty papers does not overturn all that.

 

Hell, the media also panders to them quite a bit, for instance this tripe: http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/what-historical-inaccuracies-dracula-untold-tell-us-about-rise-islamophobia

 

"Film where Vlad the Impaler is the hero has him fighting Muslims - Islamaphobia!!111" - despite, y'know, Vlad The Impaler spending his life fighting the Ottaman empire - which was predominantly Muslim.

 

 

Israel vs Palestine is a legitimate war - IS' massacre of Kurds, Yazidis and Christians isn't.

 

Because teenagers are naive - this isn't about oil (60% of it comes from the north sea, the rest of our imports mostly comes from Norway and Qatar - not Iraq or Syria), they are executing hundreds of people - how long do we sit around saying not our problem? Once they've reached the UK? Think of a regime about 70-75 years ago who would round up and kill people who were "wrong". Imagine we'd sat around ignoring their atrocities until they reached us...

So you genuinely believe the UK and US Gov are bothered about the welfare of kurds.... and not the welfare of the thousands of africans dying every day from hunger and aids...if you put into perspective the amount of deaths caused by ISIS compared to the deaths caused by isreal, dictatorships, and other bullshit happening in the world, you would see that ISIS is about as much threat to us than bird flu.

Just because they seem to be targeting western people does not mean we have to retaliate with bombs...Just make sure our people are out of there!

Isreal and Palestine is not a war.. palestine don't even have an army. Just the radical group 'Hamas' And the funny thing is! The US and UK governments support isreal!!!

[JmorsonLCFC]

you seem to be tarred by this idea that governments have people's interests at hearts...dont you think it's strange how there is a trillion pounds to bail the banks out...but there are still people buying food stamps? End of discussion tbf

[Guest MattP]

Whats the bigger threat.

Isis to us. Or Isreal to Palestine, ask yourself that and then try and justify why we're bothered about one and not the other.

 

How is this even relevant? One is a current ongoing conflict, the other is an insurgancy prepared to massacre millions if necessary to live under a barbaric religious regime.

 

The plight of the Palestinians is fast becoming this centuries answer to Godwins law.

 

yes but everything you have listed has been criticised or shouted about in the media. You turn on any major news channel, read any major newspaper and they will have an article tarring muslims with the extremism brush. if this happened to you every day you, and the rest of your race would be pissed off. I know if I was in a country where I got looked at differently simply for the way i beleive in god, id like to think i'd rise against it...as would anyone in a state of oppression.

 

What do you mean 'IS' popped up... they didn't come out of the ground, they are people you know, with different things to fight for than me and you.

 

So what is your jsutification for going to another war in iraq? They've beheaded how many people?

 

 

So I turn on the news, see them demonising Muslims as violent so my response to prove them wrong is to go and join the most violent Islamic group in the World that has even been disowned by Al Queda? Again, not a shread of evidence to suggest that this is happening from anyone.

 

I'm not justfying another war in Iraq, we are currently involved in US and French led airstrikes to de-stabilise and hurt IS, not a war. I believe that is fully justified though given the atrocities committed by this group.

[Guest MattP]

fighting fire with fire again....

Why not do anything about the clear genocide in palestine then? or do they have enough to protect themselves? What about the dictatorships in africa...what about every other oppressed nation in the world? North Korea?

 

 

Given the might of Israel compared to Palestine, if that was genuine attempt at genocide is was an appalling and weak effort given the vast resources of wealth and armed force the Israelis have.

 

An African dictator would have made a better effort of it with a ragtag army.

you seem to be tarred by this idea that governments have people's interests at hearts...dont you think it's strange how there is a trillion pounds to bail the banks out...but there are still people buying food stamps? End of discussion tbf

 

Maybe they should buy food instead of food stamps.

[JmorsonLCFC]

How is this even relevant? One is a current ongoing conflict, the other is an insurgancy prepared to massacre millions if necessary to live under a barbaric religious regime.

 

The plight of the Palestinians is fast becoming this centuries answer to Godwins law.

 

 

 

So I turn on the news, see them demonising Muslims as violent so my response to prove them wrong is to go and join the most violent Islamic group in the World that has even been disowned by Al Queda? Again, not a shread of evidence to suggest that this is happening from anyone.

 

I'm not justfying another war in Iraq, we are currently involved in US and French led airstrikes to de-stabilise and hurt IS, not a war. I believe that is fully justified though given the atrocities committed by this group.

i really dont see how it's justified. we've been there twice and havn't won. the only people that seem to be hurt over all this are the iraqi civilians. I don't see how weapons work to be fair, you bomb isis, injure civilians, the civilians then join isis because their family was murdered in the air strikes...its just an ongoing cycle that cannot be resolved by violence. dont forget that these guys live in huts in the sand. they dont have information access like we do, and for anyone to think air strikes is actually going to reduce the threat of isis is stupid, its just going to create more terrorists

[leicesterlad1989]

So you genuinely believe the UK and US Gov are bothered about the welfare of kurds.... and not the welfare of the thousands of africans dying every day from hunger and aids...if you put into perspective the amount of deaths caused by ISIS compared to the deaths caused by isreal, dictatorships, and other bullshit happening in the world, you would see that ISIS is about as much threat to us than bird flu.

Just because they seem to be targeting western people does not mean we have to retaliate with bombs...Just make sure our people are out of there!

Isreal and Palestine is not a war.. palestine don't even have an army. Just the radical group 'Hamas' And the funny thing is! The US and UK governments support isreal!!!

 

 

Thanks for ignoring my previous response. I feel obliged to respond again now.

 

"So you genuinely believe the UK and US Gov are bothered about the welfare of kurds.... and not the welfare of the thousands of africans dying every day from hunger and aids" As a minor point, do we not raise money every year for sick people in Africa? I don't for one moment believe the Government are perfect but come on?!

 

The impression I seem to get from your responses is that you believe IS have a right to retaliate and all muslims are being treated unfairly by this country. Am I right? Is this the same country that allows Muslims more rights than the countries they were born in or there parents were born in?

 

You claim they are treated as 2nd class citizens? Is this the same religious group who treat women of the same faith as 2nd class citizens? You claim they are oppressed and are looked at differently, so by going over and joining IS is the right thing to do? Joining a group who are happy to kill Christians because they believe something different to them?

[The Doctor]

So you genuinely believe the UK and US Gov are bothered about the welfare of kurds.... and not the welfare of the thousands of africans dying every day from hunger and aids...if you put into perspective the amount of deaths caused by ISIS compared to the deaths caused by isreal, dictatorships, and other bullshit happening in the world, you would see that ISIS is about as much threat to us than bird flu.

Just because they seem to be targeting western people does not mean we have to retaliate with bombs...Just make sure our people are out of there!

Isreal and Palestine is not a war.. palestine don't even have an army. Just the radical group 'Hamas' And the funny thing is! The US and UK governments support isreal!!!

 

The massacre of Kurds is something we can do something about easily - deaths from hunger and aids aren't as easily solved: we give foreign aid, we research cures for AIDS but it's not as simple as "there's a terrorist torturing people - open fire!"

 

So if we compare deaths between one group of terrorists and all deaths in the world, the deaths at the hand of that one group are fairly small - well no shit. Deaths by murder in this country are not a large percentage of all deaths each year - should we therefore not bother to tackle murder?

Ah - so so long as there's no brits over there, let thousands be slaughtered for believing in the wrong god? How caring of you.

 

Hamas is the government of Gaza, therefore it's fighters are Palestines Army. 

 

Seriously though, why are you so desperate to defend a group of terrorists?

 

you seem to be tarred by this idea that governments have people's interests at hearts...dont you think it's strange how there is a trillion pounds to bail the banks out...but there are still people buying food stamps? End of discussion tbf

 

If the banks fail then we do have the problem of our economy collapsing - ask early 20's germany how that works out. While everyone being able to afford proper food would be great, it's better to have a prosperous country with a few living beneath the breadline than a country where everyone's money is worthless and everyone is starving.

[JmorsonLCFC]

Thanks for ignoring my previous response. I feel obliged to respond again now.

 

"So you genuinely believe the UK and US Gov are bothered about the welfare of kurds.... and not the welfare of the thousands of africans dying every day from hunger and aids" As a minor point, do we not raise money every year for sick people in Africa? I don't for one moment believe the Government are perfect but come on?!

 

The impression I seem to get from your responses is that you believe IS have a right to retaliate and all muslims are being treated unfairly by this country. Am I right? Is this the same country that allows Muslims more rights than the countries they were born in or there parents were born in?

 

You claim they are treated as 2nd class citizens? Is this the same religious group who treat women of the same faith as 2nd class citizens? You claim they are oppressed and are looked at differently, so by going over and joining IS is the right thing to do? Joining a group who are happy to kill Christians because they believe something different to them?

yes WE raise money? What about the TRILLION for the banks bailout. I don't remember anywhere near that figure being given as aid to african countries...on a side note to that take a look at this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27607320 the information is out there but it is not headline material like muslims or benefit cheats or black youths.

 

And I'm not going to comment further on the whole 2nd class thing, from growing up in a school with alot of muslims, i know personally that they are spoke to, looked at, and thought about in a different way to others! And that's just kids at school!

[Guest MattP]

i really dont see how it's justified. we've been there twice and havn't won. the only people that seem to be hurt over all this are the iraqi civilians. I don't see how weapons work to be fair, you bomb isis, injure civilians, the civilians then join isis because their family was murdered in the air strikes...its just an ongoing cycle that cannot be resolved by violence. dont forget that these guys live in huts in the sand. they dont have information access like we do, and for anyone to think air strikes is actually going to reduce the threat of isis is stupid, its just going to create more terrorists

 

Because people are being massacred, we can't just allow that to happen and stand by no matter what mistakes we have made in the past. I certainly wouldn't be able to live with it if I had the chance to do something about it and didn't. Have a watch of the death marches on youtube, if you can watch that, see hundreds of men, woman and children be murdered in cold blood for nothing other than there religion and genuinely think we should just ignore it as it's not our problem then you are barely human.

 

You still haven't also answered a question a couple of people asked you. How are Muslims in this country not free to practice their religion to the point where joining IS looks a reasonable altternative.

[JmorsonLCFC]

The massacre of Kurds is something we can do something about easily - deaths from hunger and aids aren't as easily solved: we give foreign aid, we research cures for AIDS but it's not as simple as "there's a terrorist torturing people - open fire!"

 

So if we compare deaths between one group of terrorists and all deaths in the world, the deaths at the hand of that one group are fairly small - well no shit. Deaths by murder in this country are not a large percentage of all deaths each year - should we therefore not bother to tackle murder?

Ah - so so long as there's no brits over there, let thousands be slaughtered for believing in the wrong god? How caring of you.

 

Hamas is the government of Gaza, therefore it's fighters are Palestines Army. 

 

Seriously though, why are you so desperate to defend a group of terrorists?

 

 

If the banks fail then we do have the problem of our economy collapsing - ask early 20's germany how that works out. While everyone being able to afford proper food would be great, it's better to have a prosperous country with a few living beneath the breadline than a country where everyone's money is worthless and everyone is starving.

I'm not desperate to defend anyone but innocent people, all air strikes do is kill, sorry, whether you like it or not it's going to end human lives. Why are you standing up for people who are funding a ****ing pointless war with your tax money?

Would you not rather your money go to international aid than an assault rifle used to KILL.

You can't fight fire with fire.

And yeah typical comment 'lets have a few below the breadline' as long as it aint you you dont care do you.

The shere fact that the US spent 50 BILLION on the iraq WAR effort and only 261.1 Million in International aid to Iraq shows where these peoples hearts lie. How can you stand up for a government that has done nothing but lie to you since you were born

[The Doctor]

I'm not desperate to defend anyone but innocent people, all air strikes do is kill, sorry, whether you like it or not it's going to end human lives. Why are you standing up for people who are funding a ****ing pointless war with your tax money?

Would you not rather your money go to international aid than an assault rifle used to KILL.

You can't fight fire with fire.

And yeah typical comment 'lets have a few below the breadline' as long as it aint you you dont care do you.

The shere fact that the US spent 50 BILLION on the iraq WAR effort and only 261.1 Million in International aid to Iraq shows where these peoples hearts lie. How can you stand up for a government that has done nothing but lie to you since you were born

 

All IS do is end human lives - but given the option of saving hundreds by killing a few, or condeming hundreds by sparing a few, I'd rather go for the first option.

 

International aid won't save the lives of those in Iraq and Syria who don't believe in the right god, or don't follow the exact same sect of Islam - I want to see us save as many as possible, and right now ending the brutal actions of IS is more important than ramping up our foreign aid.

 

No, I do care, but sometimes you've got to be pragmatic - better 10,000 people starve than 60,000,000.

 

I'm not defending said government, I'm supporting their attempts to save innocent lives.

[leicesterlad1989]

yes but everything you have listed has been criticised or shouted about in the media. You turn on any major news channel, read any major newspaper and they will have an article tarring muslims with the extremism brush. if this happened to you every day you, and the rest of your race would be pissed off. I know if I was in a country where I got looked at differently simply for the way i beleive in god, id like to think i'd rise against it...as would anyone in a state of oppression.

 

What do you mean 'IS' popped up... they didn't come out of the ground, they are people you know, with different things to fight for than me and you.

 

So what is your jsutification for going to another war in iraq? They've beheaded how many people?

 

But you have tried to defend them? You seem to believe that due to Muslims being "opressed" then you aren't supprised that they join IS. That's the way it looks to me?

 

I appreciate the fact you may have many Muslim friends but you still haven't really answered the question regarding how Muslims are treated unfairly or are oppressed? Your answers are based on a few personal experiences. The general concensus is this country has given everything possible to give Muslims (and other religious groups) what they require, Some would say as a nation we have bent over backwards.

 

If we are going to talk about personal experiences then I have experienced first hand the total disrespect Muslims can show towards women. I've also been in areas in Leicester where I haven't felt welcome but I don't feel every Muslim would act that way, at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. So I wouldn't every join some radical movement against Islam.

 

So again, how does this country treat Muslims unfairly?

[JmorsonLCFC]

Because people are being massacred, we can't just allow that to happen and stand by no matter what mistakes we have made in the past. I certainly wouldn't be able to live with it if I had the chance to do something about it and didn't. Have a watch of the death marches on youtube, if you can watch that, see hundreds of men, woman and children be murdered in cold blood for nothing other than there religion and genuinely think we should just ignore it as it's not our problem then you are barely human.

 

You still haven't also answered a question a couple of people asked you. How are Muslims in this country not free to practice their religion to the point where joining IS looks a reasonable altternative.

they're allowed to practice, but they see what we're doing overseas to their own people. and the way they are portrayed in the media. and they want to fight for their own people...i can fully understand their reasoning...

why did people want to fight in the falklands war...to defend their own people was it not??

[JmorsonLCFC]

All IS do is end human lives - but given the option of saving hundreds by killing a few, or condeming hundreds by sparing a few, I'd rather go for the first option.

 

International aid won't save the lives of those in Iraq and Syria who don't believe in the right god, or don't follow the exact same sect of Islam - I want to see us save as many as possible, and right now ending the brutal actions of IS is more important than ramping up our foreign aid.

 

No, I do care, but sometimes you've got to be pragmatic - better 10,000 people starve than 60,000,000.

 

I'm not defending said government, I'm supporting their attempts to save innocent lives.

but there are millions of people starving...600,000 africans have died of hunger since the ebola outbreak earlier this year... what vested interests do we have by saving kurds other than oil?

you have to remember who armed them in the first place, you also have to remember the amount of civilians the allies have killed, you also have to remember that there are alot more threatening things than ISIS in the world and none of them are being addressed.

[The Doctor]

they're allowed to practice, but they see what we're doing overseas to their own people. and the way they are portrayed in the media. and they want to fight for their own people...i can fully understand their reasoning...

why did people want to fight in the falklands war...to defend their own people was it not??

 

Really, because most muslim leaders have condemned IS and said that they (IS) are not us (the muslims in this country)? They're not their own people - IS would happily kill them if they disagreed over something slightly minor - as they have to sunnis and shi'ites on numerous times already.

[Guest MattP]

they're allowed to practice, but they see what we're doing overseas to their own people. and the way they are portrayed in the media. and they want to fight for their own people...i can fully understand their reasoning...

why did people want to fight in the falklands war...to defend their own people was it not??

 

You really don't seem to understand this, It's clear the defectors went there to fight the Assad government, no one would have logically gone because of the Iraq War ten years ago, why would you go to fight a civil war in Syria to get back at the us and America when we aren't even involved in it? It makes absolutely no sense. It would be like me going to fight in Colombia to get back at the Germans for WW2.

 

We defended the Falklands as it was our territory being invaded by another nation and where the people of our land overwelmingly wanted our help.

You do realise the Iraqi government has asked us to get involved in the war against ISIS don't you?

[The Doctor]

but there are millions of people starving...600,000 africans have died of hunger since the ebola outbreak earlier this year... what vested interests do we have by saving kurds other than oil?

you have to remember who armed them in the first place, you also have to remember the amount of civilians the allies have killed, you also have to remember that there are alot more threatening things than ISIS in the world and none of them are being addressed.

 

Yes, and as I've said before solving world hunger is a lot more difficult than killing terrorists. So we shouldn't save people we have the opportunity to do so because they live near valuable natural resources? Why can't there just be no vested interests - just trying to stop mass murderers? We didn't have any vested interests when we attacked the Nazis, we did it because they threatened to kill millions.

 

Civilian deaths in attacks against a guerilla outfit are inevitable - you just need to minimize them as much as possible.

 

Such as?

[JmorsonLCFC]

But you have tried to defend them? You seem to believe that due to Muslims being "opressed" then you aren't supprised that they join IS. That's the way it looks to me?

 

I appreciate the fact you may have many Muslim friends but you still haven't really answered the question regarding how Muslims are treated unfairly or are oppressed? Your answers are based on a few personal experiences. The general concensus is this country has given everything possible to give Muslims (and other religious groups) what they require, Some would say as a nation we have bent over backwards.

 

If we are going to talk about personal experiences then I have experienced first hand the total disrespect Muslims can show towards women. I've also been in areas in Leicester where I haven't felt welcome but I don't feel every Muslim would act that way, at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. So I wouldn't every join some radical movement against Islam.

 

So again, how does this country treat Muslims unfairly?

So answer me: What do you mean by ISIS 'popping up'? Who armed them? Who killed their reletives?

And also: what is your justification for going to another war in iraq when the first two times failed?

 

And I will say it again, all you have to do is watch the news for an hour and the word muslim will be brought up in a bad light, if you have this for every day of your childhood and every day of your young adult life you will feel angry to how your people are being portrayed! That in itself is enough reason. I agree with you SOME muslims oppress women, as do some white people,

'you paki, queer, bitch, slag'

are these arabic slur words? I've seen more whites in my lifetime be violent and racist than muslims. And I'm white! Everyone can be oppressive so please don't try and justify a war with 'some muslims are bad, these ones called isis, hamas, alqueda'

look at the saudis! they execute people and stone people left right and centre so why shouldnt we go to war with them? Long answer short, we have ties with them.

But you have tried to defend them? You seem to believe that due to Muslims being "opressed" then you aren't supprised that they join IS. That's the way it looks to me?

 

I appreciate the fact you may have many Muslim friends but you still haven't really answered the question regarding how Muslims are treated unfairly or are oppressed? Your answers are based on a few personal experiences. The general concensus is this country has given everything possible to give Muslims (and other religious groups) what they require, Some would say as a nation we have bent over backwards.

 

If we are going to talk about personal experiences then I have experienced first hand the total disrespect Muslims can show towards women. I've also been in areas in Leicester where I haven't felt welcome but I don't feel every Muslim would act that way, at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. So I wouldn't every join some radical movement against Islam.

 

So again, how does this country treat Muslims unfairly?

So answer me: What do you mean by ISIS 'popping up'? Who armed them? Who killed their reletives?

And also: what is your justification for going to another war in iraq when the first two times failed?

 

And I will say it again, all you have to do is watch the news for an hour and the word muslim will be brought up in a bad light, if you have this for every day of your childhood and every day of your young adult life you will feel angry to how your people are being portrayed! That in itself is enough reason. I agree with you SOME muslims oppress women, as do some white people,

'you paki, queer, bitch, slag'

are these arabic slur words? I've seen more whites in my lifetime be violent and racist than muslims. And I'm white! Everyone can be oppressive so please don't try and justify a war with 'some muslims are bad, these ones called isis, hamas, alqueda'

look at the saudis! they execute people and stone people left right and centre so why shouldnt we go to war with them? Long answer short, we have ties with them.

[JmorsonLCFC]

Really, because most muslim leaders have condemned IS and said that they (IS) are not us (the muslims in this country)? They're not their own people - IS would happily kill them if they disagreed over something slightly minor - as they have to sunnis and shi'ites on numerous times already.

please take a look at civilian casualties in iraq. THEY ARE THEIR PEOPLE

[JmorsonLCFC]

You really don't seem to understand this, It's clear the defectors went there to fight the Assad government, no one would have logically gone because of the Iraq War ten years ago, why would you go to fight a civil war in Syria to get back at the us and America when we aren't even involved in it? It makes absolutely no sense. It would be like me going to fight in Colombia to get back at the Germans for WW2.

 

We defended the Falklands as it was our territory being invaded by another nation and where the people of our land overwelmingly wanted our help.

You do realise the Iraqi government has asked us to get involved in the war against ISIS don't you?

the iraq government also asked us to not leave iraq but what did we do? I remember countless programmes about how the government in iraq wasnt strong enough before we left, the signs were there. If that was the case should we still have young brits out there dying for a cause that doesnt involve them? Why aren't local islamic armies doing anything about it then? Why does britain have a role to play? They are no threat to us

[The Doctor]

please take a look at civilian casualties in iraq. THEY ARE THEIR PEOPLE

 

Civilian casualties are an unfortunate, unavoidable part of combat routines like this. But the muslims in this country aren't running off to join the civilians there...