JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Guns kill people, air strikes kill peopl Civilian casualties are an unfortunate, unavoidable part of combat routines like this. But the muslims in this country aren't running off to join the civilians there... because the civilians are the poorest of poor mate, and the only ones standing up for them are the 'terrorists' which is why they are fighting for them, when they see bombs enter their country from a UK plane, they are not going to fight against the ones defending them... You seem to be very 'oh well lets sacrifice these few for the greater good' what a shit way to think of human life
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Guns kill people, air strikes kill peopl because the civilians are the poorest of poor mate, and the only ones standing up for them are the 'terrorists' which is why they are fighting for them, when they see bombs enter their country from a UK plane, they are not going to fight against the ones defending them... You seem to be very 'oh well lets sacrifice these few for the greater good' what a shit way to think of human life Terrorists are standing up for civilians by killing them for not being part of the terrorist group?
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Terrorists are standing up for civilians by killing them for not being part of the terrorist group? so isis is declining in growth then? are they 'popping up' from no where? Answer me this then where did their guns come from? where did their combat skills come from? who are they recuiting ? and if they aren't growing in size because of civilians joining them then who is joining them?
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Terrorists are standing up for civilians by killing them for not being part of the terrorist group? when you resort to trying to pick apart one sentence in my argument then i know i've won, the shere fact you described civilian deaths as a 'shame' just goes to show you how morally shallow you are. I mean, come on what's a few innocent lives....
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 the iraq government also asked us to not leave iraq but what did we do? I remember countless programmes about how the government in iraq wasnt strong enough before we left, the signs were there. If that was the case should we still have young brits out there dying for a cause that doesnt involve them? Why aren't local islamic armies doing anything about it then? Why does britain have a role to play? They are no threat to us We shouldn't have left no, local Islamic armies are fighting ISIS, hence why they control Northern Iraq and not the South. So what would your response have been them to the Iraqi government's request for help? 'Fcuk off, you're on your own, you asked us to stay and we got that wrong so we'll get this wrong as well, least we're consistent' - Just because you make a mistake doesn;t mean you make another one. Guns kill people, air strikes kill peopl because the civilians are the poorest of poor mate, and the only ones standing up for them are the 'terrorists' which is why they are fighting for them, when they see bombs enter their country from a UK plane, they are not going to fight against the ones defending them... You seem to be very 'oh well lets sacrifice these few for the greater good' what a shit way to think of human life Oh my ****ing god what I have just read. So whilst they wander through each village murdering them in their thousands, selling them off as sex slaves and torturing anyone who refuses to conform to their branch of Islam what they are doing is standing up for them? All these thousands of refugees fleeing the areas that IS are heading towards, you have to wonder really don't you as they are only coming in to stand up for the rights of the local population. That's it, I'm out. This is painful, never read anything like it.
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Terrorists are standing up for civilians by killing them for not being part of the terrorist group? This is some going after a few years on these boards, but I'd say that tops the lot as the most ridiculous opinion I have ever seen. For the sake of humanity I hope this poster is a WUM.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 regardless of how many, why are they doing it? Maybe it might have something to do with the way we portray muslims in the media? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that everywhere they go in this country they get looked at like a second rate citizen. So what do you think ISIS actually are then?? Are they just kicking off for banter or do they have a ligitimate reason? Yes, like beheading an innocent aid worker. What bloody planet are you on?
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Yes, like beheading an innocent aid worker. What bloody planet are you on? The aid workers were obviously asking for it since George Bush bombed Iraq ten years ago.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 So answer me: What do you mean by ISIS 'popping up'? Who armed them? Who killed their reletives? And also: what is your justification for going to another war in iraq when the first two times failed? And I will say it again, all you have to do is watch the news for an hour and the word muslim will be brought up in a bad light, if you have this for every day of your childhood and every day of your young adult life you will feel angry to how your people are being portrayed! That in itself is enough reason. I agree with you SOME muslims oppress women, as do some white people, 'you paki, queer, bitch, slag' are these arabic slur words? I've seen more whites in my lifetime be violent and racist than muslims. And I'm white! Everyone can be oppressive so please don't try and justify a war with 'some muslims are bad, these ones called isis, hamas, alqueda' look at the saudis! they execute people and stone people left right and centre so why shouldnt we go to war with them? Long answer short, we have ties with them. I didn't ask you those questions, I think you have the wrong person. I honestly don't know that. My gripe was due to the fact you seemed to believe that Muslims in the country are hard done by and that you wouldn't find it surprising that they would join IS. I am not sure how old you are therefore I am not aware of the times you were bought up in. You maybe my age and I could counter your arguement by saying I've not witnessed any racial behaviour towards Muslims. So the facts are still there that as a country we provide everything for Muslims to following their Islamic beliefs.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 its funny cause you speak about isis like they are fighting for nothing, it's almost like they 'popped up' out of no where. we gave them guns, we trained them WE were allies with saddam, so dont go on like we've made one mistake, we have made thousands, and through no fault of the civilians theyre now being airstriked. as well as raped and pillaged... they are HUMAN just like me and you, if IS came up to me and said 'look at them british ****ers bombing our homeland' I would want to fight that is all end of discussion i cant be arsed, people like you will happily say let's go to war but when it comes down to it are happy to let young brits go and fight for them. We shouldn't have left no, local Islamic armies are fighting ISIS, hence why they control Northern Iraq and not the South. So what would your response have been them to the Iraqi government's request for help? 'Fcuk off, you're on your own, you asked us to stay and we got that wrong so we'll get this wrong as well, least we're consistent' - Just because you make a mistake doesn;t mean you make another one. Oh my ****ing god what I have just read. So whilst they wander through each village murdering them in their thousands, selling them off as sex slaves and torturing anyone who refuses to conform to their branch of Islam what they are doing is standing up for them? All these thousands of refugees fleeing the areas that IS are heading towards, you have to wonder really don't you as they are only coming in to stand up for the rights of the local population. That's it, I'm out. This is painful, never read anything like it. Yes, like beheading an innocent aid worker. What bloody planet are you on? The same planet which thinks its okay to ignore what isreal are doing to palestine based on 'ties'
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 I didn't ask you those questions, I think you have the wrong person. I honestly don't know that. My gripe was due to the fact you seemed to believe that Muslims in the country are hard done by and that you wouldn't find it surprising that they would join IS. I am not sure how old you are therefore I am not aware of the times you were bought up in. You maybe my age and I could counter your arguement by saying I've not witnessed any racial behaviour towards Muslims. So the facts are still there that as a country we provide everything for Muslims to following their Islamic beliefs. you've never witnessed any racial behaviour towards muslims....
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 it is so obvious and in your face that you see it as normal which is sad... we will see, in 5 years theyll be a new terror group we all have to be shit scared about vietnam north korea pakistan iraq iran syria afghanistan congo somalia which shall we choose next to get the british public scared of! as long as they're a different colour theyll do
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 its funny cause you speak about isis like they are fighting for nothing, it's almost like they 'popped up' out of no where. we gave them guns, we trained them WE were allies with saddam, so dont go on like we've made one mistake, we have made thousands, and through no fault of the civilians theyre now being airstriked. as well as raped and pillaged... they are HUMAN just like me and you, if IS came up to me and said 'look at them british ****ers bombing our homeland' I would want to fight that is all end of discussion i cant be arsed, people like you will happily say let's go to war but when it comes down to it are happy to let young brits go and fight for them. The same planet which thinks its okay to ignore what isreal are doing to palestine based on 'ties' I've already said I know exactly what IS are fighting for, a caliphate across the whole levant. The civilians in the refugee camps are also begging for help, you going to turn them down as well, lead thousands of them to a brutal violent death as you are scared you might kill a smaller number of innocents. But again you seem to be saying because we made mistakes in the past you want to make them again, it's highly unlikely we trained any ISIS fighters, when was the last time we had military involvement in training on the ground in Syria, that's where the group has spread from in Iraq, I'd be looking closer to the Saudi's when you get past your obsession with the evil west. No idea why you think we ignored the Israel-Palestine conflict, the whole planet came together in the end to help agree as ceasefire so how do you work out it ignored it on 'lies'.
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 And how are those newspaper headlines directed at Muslims?Two are clearly directed at EU Migration, one is us not being nice to suicide bombers (the poor souls, just sticking up for the commuters in my opinion) and the other is having a go at the Archbishop. If that's the worst examples of racism you can find supposedly towards Muslims we don't have a problem.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Well 50% of those front pages of the Newspaper you posted above were about Immigration and I can't see anywhere the mention of Islam or Muslims. You're clutching at straws really with those headlines. Also I understood we were talking about personal experiences not crap written in the newspaper. Seems to me you can't answer a question without firing other questions back anyway, then when you do the evidence you fire back has no substance to it.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 its funny cause you speak about isis like they are fighting for nothing, it's almost like they 'popped up' out of no where. we gave them guns, we trained them WE were allies with saddam, so dont go on like we've made one mistake, we have made thousands, and through no fault of the civilians theyre now being airstriked. as well as raped and pillaged... they are HUMAN just like me and you, if IS came up to me and said 'look at them british ****ers bombing our homeland' I would want to fight that is all end of discussion i cant be arsed, people like you will happily say let's go to war but when it comes down to it are happy to let young brits go and fight for them. The same planet which thinks its okay to ignore what isreal are doing to palestine based on 'ties' So you now would actually fight with IS? What on Earth am I reading.
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 so isis is declining in growth then? are they 'popping up' from no where? Answer me this then where did their guns come from? where did their combat skills come from? who are they recuiting ? and if they aren't growing in size because of civilians joining them then who is joining them? 1 - They bought them, IS are are very rich organisation 2 - Don't know 3 - Radicalised teenagers from other countries & civilian who weren't able to flee quick enough and were given the choice of join or die. 4 - See answer 3
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 when you resort to trying to pick apart one sentence in my argument then i know i've won, the shere fact you described civilian deaths as a 'shame' just goes to show you how morally shallow you are. I mean, come on what's a few innocent lives.... Civilian deaths are shame - any death is a shame, but sometimes you can't avoid them - and pragmatism comes into play - better to kill 1 to save 100 than condemn 100 to save 1.
Darkon84 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 I'm about in tears! My god, this kid is priceless. I'd love to seriously wade in to this too, but I think Matt, The Doc et all are doing a more than adequate job of saying exactly what I would. As Matt said, I hope for the sake of humanity this kid is a WUM.
Webbo Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 please take a look at civilian casualties in iraq. THEY ARE THEIR PEOPLE So someone in Iraq is the same as someone born in Britain of Pakistani descent, presumably because they are muslim? If that's the case doesn't that give us the right to kill because they are beheading Christians, ie our people?
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 So someone in Iraq is the same as someone born in Britain of Pakistani descent, presumably because they are muslim? If that's the case doesn't that give us the right to kill because they are beheading Christians, ie our people? This is a man who thinks Cameron trying to renegotiate the freedom of movement laws with the EU is a racist attack on Muslims that makes it understandable they choose to behead aid workers. I don't know where we start in terms of ethnic descent.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 okay so lets combat terrorism with terrorism name me the last time that worked? name me the last time we stopped this kind of thing happening?
Stadt Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 I don't know why you're all bothering to correct him, it's not going anywhere.
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