JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 you can't fight fire with fire, whereas you can fight fire with negotiations and agreements, are you set on the fact that ISIS are going to fight to their death with no compromise, like you already stated, theyre only recruiting scared civilians....
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 its amazing to see how riled up you are when it comes to defending what you have. the sooner you see our actions in the middle east have literally nothing to do with the welfare of people the better
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 you can't fight fire with fire, whereas you can fight fire with negotiations and agreements, are you set on the fact that ISIS are going to fight to their death with no compromise, like you already stated, theyre only recruiting scared civilians.... The civilians they're recruiting are scared of them, not us. The civilians they recruit get the davy jones option - join us or die. You can't negotiate with terrorists - they won't negotiate. The only way to stop terrorists is to overpower them. This is basic stuff.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQxwaVQWSbY look at this with an open mind
pooleyLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 you can't fight fire with fire, whereas you can fight fire with negotiations and agreements, are you set on the fact that ISIS are going to fight to their death with no compromise, like you already stated, theyre only recruiting scared civilians.... That's what they seem to do be doing, didn't see them making any compromises before beheading innocent people
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 The civilians they're recruiting are scared of them, not us. The civilians they recruit get the davy jones option - join us or die. You can't negotiate with terrorists - they won't negotiate. The only way to stop terrorists is to overpower them. This is basic stuff. the ONLY way? you're so narrow minded, these are human beings with human minds, they are not programmed robots
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 the ONLY way? you're so narrow minded, these are human beings with human minds, they are not programmed robots Yes - You cannot successfully negotiate with a terrorist group: they are willing to kill and die to establish the caliphate, they will not listen to reason or negotiations.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Yes - You cannot successfully negotiate with a terrorist group: they are willing to kill and die to establish the caliphate, they will not listen to reason or negotiations. Ok, name me the last time we did that successfully. (take down a terrorist group by overpowering them) We really did well with Al Queda
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Ok, name me the last time we did that successfully. (take down a terrorist group by overpowering them) We really did well with Al Queda When did anyone successfully negotiate peace with terrorists? The only way to get any sort of victory against terrorists is to combat them.
pooleyLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 When did anyone successfully negotiate peace with terrorists? The only way to get any sort of victory against terrorists is to combat them. Do people not learn anything from COD
leicesterlad1989 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 the ONLY way? you're so narrow minded, these are human beings with human minds, they are not programmed robots The irony in that statement is the fact these terrorist manipuliate the young and turn them into programmed robot who don't even know what they are fighting for!
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Yes - You cannot successfully negotiate with a terrorist group: they are willing to kill and die to establish the caliphate, they will not listen to reason or negotiations. So you answered my question with another question, which proves to me you dont have an answer. And to answer yours..the british empire once enslaved half the world if you remember, now they don't, why, negotiations, protests, peace, not ****ing airstrikes, guns and war. The U.S also armed Iran with 3,000 missiles because Iran had 6 U.S. Hostages... Negotiations are how things are done between human beings since man was man
leicsmac Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 When did anyone successfully negotiate peace with terrorists? The only way to get any sort of victory against terrorists is to combat them. Ireland? Of course, the definition of terrorists on that one is pretty broad-stroke. That said, these boys are a whole different ball game - they think that their holy book says it's OK to kill, maim or enslave anyone who doesn't think like them and most of them honestly believe they'll get a place in paradise if they buy it during the cause. That's pretty difficult to negotiate with.
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 So you answered my question with another question, which proves to me you dont have an answer. And to answer yours..the british empire once enslaved half the world if you remember, now they don't, why, negotiations, protests, peace, not ****ing airstrikes, guns and war. The U.S also armed Iran with 3,000 missiles because Iran had 6 U.S. Hostages... Negotiations are how things are done between human beings since man was man So by that standard you admit you have no argument since you've responded to every point and question with another question so far... You can't successfully end terrorism, there will always be people willing to die for their cause, but to stem it negotiations won't work, combat will. The empire wasn't a terrorist organisation. Negotiations work with those willing to be negotiated with - terrorist organisations are not. Ireland? Of course, the definition of terrorists on that one is pretty broad-stroke. That said, these boys are a whole different ball game - they think that their holy book says it's OK to kill, maim or enslave anyone who doesn't think like them and most of them honestly believe they'll get a place in paradise if they buy it during the cause. That's pretty difficult to negotiate with. Arguably, but I'd argue we haven't really achieved peace over there as such - it's quieter than back in the days of the IRA, but the problems are still there.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 So by that standard you admit you have no argument since you've responded to every point and question with another question so far... You can't successfully end terrorism, there will always be people willing to die for their cause, but to stem it negotiations won't work, combat will. The empire wasn't a terrorist organisation. Negotiations work with those willing to be negotiated with - terrorist organisations are not. you still havnt answered when was the last time overpowering a terrorist group worked? Which is the whole basis for your argument, if you have no history to go on, then how is that the right way? The empire wasnt CLASSED as terrorists, but you would only associate terrorism with far east groups right? To say that they weren't terrorists is very one sided as im sure the people of kenya will tell you
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 to sum it up, britain is great and definitely has the morale highground when it comes to violence in other countries, we should definitely keep manufacturing human killing machines instead of sorting world hunger out, and also i cant see for the amount of ISIS invaders something must be done! more guns more deaths! ISIS is about as much threat to england as ebola is to the north pole
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 you still havnt answered when was the last time overpowering a terrorist group worked? Which is the whole basis for your argument, if you have no history to go on, then how is that the right way? The empire wasnt CLASSED as terrorists, but you would only associate terrorism with far east groups right? To say that they weren't terrorists is very one sided as im sure the people of kenya will tell you That very much depends on your definition of worked - but the taliban and al-qaeda certainly are a lot quieter now. No, terrorist groups are groups that carry out terrorist activities - race has nothing to do with it, if your only argument is that I'm racist for not liking IS then your argument is incredibly poor. The Empire was an empire, not a terrorist cell. It did a few things wrong, but that doesn't make it a terror cell. to sum it up, britain is great and definitely has the morale highground when it comes to violence in other countries, we should definitely keep manufacturing human killing machines instead of sorting world hunger out, and also i cant see for the amount of ISIS invaders something must be done! more guns more deaths! ISIS is about as much threat to england as ebola is to the north pole So, **** everyone else out there being killed for believing in the wrong god, so long as they aren't a direct threat to us at present. And you have the cheek to call me callous about human life?
leicesterlad1989 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 you still havnt answered when was the last time overpowering a terrorist group worked? Which is the whole basis for your argument, if you have no history to go on, then how is that the right way? The empire wasnt CLASSED as terrorists, but you would only associate terrorism with far east groups right? To say that they weren't terrorists is very one sided as im sure the people of kenya will tell you You still haven't answer a million and one other questions ask by various members. Do you honestly believe that member of an organisation who want a worldwide caliphate are willing to sit back and negotiate? Sadly we don't live in a world where tooth fairy and santa exists. In fact they are more likely to be true than negotiating with these. to sum it up, britain is great and definitely has the morale highground when it comes to violence in other countries, we should definitely keep manufacturing human killing machines instead of sorting world hunger out, and also i cant see for the amount of ISIS invaders something must be done! more guns more deaths! ISIS is about as much threat to england as ebola is to the north pole I am really confused as to what you actually want. I mean you are against killing, that is clear, yet these guys in IS aren't just retaliating against the West, they are fighting amongst people of the same religious belief and killing others, ie. Christians who aren't. So what do you expect the world to do?
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 That very much depends on your definition of worked - but the taliban and al-qaeda certainly are a lot quieter now. No, terrorist groups are groups that carry out terrorist activities - race has nothing to do with it, if your only argument is that I'm racist for not liking IS then your argument is incredibly poor. The Empire was an empire, not a terrorist cell. It did a few things wrong, but that doesn't make it a terror cell. So, **** everyone else out there being killed for believing in the wrong god, so long as they aren't a threat to us. And you have the cheek to call me callous about human life? , , and . so you reckon the war in iraq WORKED? HAHAHAHAHA and you call me stupid! what am i dealing with here 'it did a few things wrong' ohhh please pick up a book, we tried to take over the world as much as hitler did! And got a lot closer than him. name me ONE time where we overpowered a terrorist group and it worked. If you can't, you're basing your whole argument on guesswork 'it might work'
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 You still haven't answer a million and one other questions ask by various members. Do you honestly believe that member of an organisation who want a worldwide caliphate are willing to sit back and negotiate? Sadly we don't live in a world where tooth fairy and santa exists. In fact they are more likely to be true than negotiating with these. I am really confused as to what you actually want. I mean you are against killing, that is clear, yet these guys in IS aren't just retaliating against the West, they are fighting amongst people of the same religious belief and killing others, ie. Christians who aren't. So what do you expect the world to do? you know what mate, i just want peace, last time i checked, air strikes do not = peace. they create more terrorists
johnny the fox Posted 22 October 2014 Author Posted 22 October 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQxwaVQWSbY look at this with an open mind Its all true..but doesn't he suck the tit of the evil capitalists? you can't take the evil millions from the Hollywood moguls then have any real credibility ..can you? As I have said before not many arms factories in the desert.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 You still haven't answer a million and one other questions ask by various members. Do you honestly believe that member of an organisation who want a worldwide caliphate are willing to sit back and negotiate? Sadly we don't live in a world where tooth fairy and santa exists. In fact they are more likely to be true than negotiating with these. I am really confused as to what you actually want. I mean you are against killing, that is clear, yet these guys in IS aren't just retaliating against the West, they are fighting amongst people of the same religious belief and killing others, ie. Christians who aren't. So what do you expect the world to do? air strikes...if ISIS air striked england would you agree that england would have a vast amount of people join the army and want to fight? Yes. So, what I EXPECT when we bomb them, is for them locals to do the same. They're not going to look at an air strike and go 'OH NO THEY KILLED MY MOTHER BUT THEY WERE AIMING FOR THE BAD GUYS SO I GUESS THATS OKAY' theyre gonna wanna stand up against whoever done it
JmorsonLCFC Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Its all true..but doesn't he suck the tit of the evil capitalists? you can take the evil millions from the Hollywood moguls then have any real credibility ..can you? As I have said before not many arms factories in the desert. Im glad you have watched, and I used to hate the guy, but he genuinely seems active and involved in basic human rights which is why he's changed my mind on him. The fact that he came from a dark pit of heroin dependency gives me a bit more respect for him as he openly admits he was a smackhead and genuinely seems like hes trying to help
Darkon84 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Does anyone else ever get that urge when someone is so stupid and blinkered, you just want to shake them?
Webbo Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 air strikes...if ISIS air striked england would you agree that england would have a vast amount of people join the army and want to fight? Yes. So, what I EXPECT when we bomb them, is for them locals to do the same. They're not going to look at an air strike and go 'OH NO THEY KILLED MY MOTHER BUT THEY WERE AIMING FOR THE BAD GUYS SO I GUESS THATS OKAY' theyre gonna wanna stand up against whoever done it Isis are killing the locals.
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