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Think it'll be Chiefs vs Eagles again. Don't think the NFC North teams are that reliable.

Find the jeopardy of cup games more enjoyable than the depressing slow grind of trying to stay in the PL. Nice distraction from the league season and as others have said should be a decent atmosphere with more people who can't usually get to league games. I kind of understand the indifference to the club at the moment but it's FA Cup 3rd round weekend, best weekend of the season.

Newcastle and their woke Saudi owners.

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It was a very Ranieri win last night. Excellent defensive performance in the 2nd half.

A simple google. I'm sure there are more. A lot of these people's anxiety is that Britain is now on the receiving end of denigration and outside interference the same way British media and political elites used to do to other countries. This is true for much of the British left too.

Even without joining the EU I don't think it'd be that difficult to rejoin EFTA/EEA if we want, I think European countries would be quite happy to have us in the economic area but without us meddling in the politics. That was an option originally anyway. But we would need to accept full FoM. So the problem is more with us.

Well yes that was my exact original point. The problems caused by Brexit ironically make Reform more popular.

We've been here before. What is "controlled freedom of movement"? How can we be in the EFTA or EEA and "negotiate" freedom of movement? You said in a previous post we shouldn't "box ourselves in". Maybe we should just drop this absurd paranoia over EU freedom of movement and accept that millions of Brits enjoyed living and working in Europe visa free, and that being part of the world's biggest single market is more important than baby boomers having kittens when they hear Polish on the streets.

tbh if we rejoined the single market I doubt many European workers would even want to move here, we'd probably see greater flows in the opposite direction.

With all due respect, and I appreciate that you took time to reply, I still find this quite vague and/or small-scale. Hard Brexit = low growth and higher immigration. The irony is that voters anger at this might lead them to vote for a party led by someone who campaigned to leave the EU. It's a perpetual grievance machine. This is what I mean when I say it may have changed British politics in ways that we perhaps haven't seen yet.

This is very vague as ever. What is the "closer relationship"? You're either in the SM and CU or out of it. This government is committed to hard Brexit which means economic growth continues to get battered, and we can't be as tight on non-EU immigration as we might like as European workers don't come here anymore. So until hard Brexit is reversed, we'll continue to have high migration and low economic growth, and voters will continue to be dissatisfied.

Tbh I think probably the likeliest thing to happen is Elon gets bored of Reform and UK politics, and anyway will probably go the way of Bannon. Like Henry VIII falling out with and executing his advisors.

Fair point. But they don't need a massive number of young people to vote for them though in order to get into government. And I don't think the phenomenon is that overblown, I'm sure I saw some data in the autumn that Trump would gain a higher % votes in the UK from people under 25 than those over 60. We've similar shifts in Europe - again not a majority but a sizeable chunk - so it's naive to think that England is immune. I think Brexit and the huge rise in immigration since, plus with social media thrown in to the mix, has really turned politics in this country on its head in ways that we probably haven't totally come to terms with yet.

Was debating whether to put the e in or not, but I thought without it would be a hard g and sound like a Greek starter of stewed legumes.

Hard to overstate just how boned England is really, and how weird it looks from the outside.

I think it's likely the British right moves on from Farage eventually. He's too economically-liberal, pro free trade at a time when the Anglo right seems to be turning away from that. And being anti EU isn't really much of a boon these days, especially amongst young people who are probably more concerned about non EU immigration and won't have much memory of the panic over Poles etc. Someone like Rupert Lowe strikes me as more reflective of where they're moving - more open about immigration and the breakdown of the social contract in Britain, and less obsessed with celebrity than Farage. I think it's quite likely we will get a hard right government in Britain in the next ten years but it won't be Farageist.

Kind of want to delete twitter but there's so much good stuff on there I find it hard to. Like where else am I going to be able to browse maps showing the distribution of East Anglian surnames in the 13 colonies then watch a comical own goal from the Bulgarian third division over my morning coffee.

No, what I'm saying is that because we went from playoff semi final defeat to PL champions in three years, as opposed to the clubs you mention experiencing smaller progressions every season, it always felt more unexpected and therefore more fleeting. And that idea planted itself in the heads of lots of our fans, aided of course by the fact that media and the club itself did sell it as a miracle. I'm not saying I like that mentality or that I think it's beneficial, it's just inevitable. I also don't think that our fans' apparent passivity is just to do with our 2014-2021 success. It's a bit of a Leicestershire 'can't complain' mentality too that I have experienced.

I think it's kind of inevitable though - we went from being at best a yo yo club and at worst a mid table Champ side to promotion and winning major trophies very quickly. That means most of our fanbase over the age of like 22, which is most of our fanbase, can remember the times of stagnation and frustration and are probably just happy to have experienced that period of unprecedented success, as fleeting as it was. So I agree with the OP to a great extent but I think it's a very different situation to for example a club like United who had sustained success for a long time before everything went to shit.

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In western Europe I don't think it's much more complicated than people wanting less migration.

Watch your language, there might be 1 year old girls reading this.

Non English coach in England is not 'minority-ethnic'? lmao

Might as well try and go on a cup run. In or out we're probably down anyway.