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Trump's ancestral country vs his least favourite

Obviously meant it as a joke but it's quite funny to see people post "what about Musa and Elvis Hammond"

@Trav Le Bleuracist confirmed

If I buy something from a clearly dodgy website, and ignore people who tell me it's a dodgy website, and the package never arrives, the problem is not that I "haven't been listened to".

I know, it was a rhetorical question. May's "red lines". I was trying to make the point that immigration sceptic voters have not been 'ignored' in the UK. We opted out of the single market and free movemtn because of them, which is hardly an insignificant decision.

And why did we leave the single market? Why do I now need to apply for a visa to move to an EU country?

Great when you've just come back from a holiday to France

None of the European countries have implemented policy as drastic as hard Brexit. I know this is all a bit awkward for Brits who like to think of their country as pragmatic and sensible compared to the Euros.

We need some more pro M&S posts like this. Tired of the slander on this website. Great wraps too.

"And influences policy" I realise you're going to say "yes but it wasn't about immigration" but leaving not just the EU but also the SM was obviously a significant policy shift and now people are talking about leaving the ECHR. None of the countries you list above have changed trajectory so significantly in order basically to try and placate anti immigration voters.

I do, yes. I wonder if there's another country in the world where immigration dominates political discourse and influences policy quite like it has done here. As always, interested in opposing views so feel free...

I love the idea that people have been ignored over immigration when it's all we've talked about for ten years and the government decided we could do without a few extra billion in growth every year because old people don't like to hear Polish spoken in their towns

Always bugged me growing up that we had never won the league or cup, especially the cup, which seemingly everyone has won. And maybe the most satisfying thing about that five year period is that nobody can say again that we have never done it, that it cannot be done. It is forever written in the history books.

Not sure we really need further evidence Farage is a bigot. It's like trying to persuade people who still have faith in Patson Daka, maybe best just to give up.

Yes but were they "middle class". I need to know before I decide to criticise or not

These history-referencing kits are getting more and more obscure. What's next Crystal Palace to release an Anglo-Zanzibar war themed kit?

Agree how utterly wild it is we had never won the league and cup and then won them both in five years despite apparently being something of a shambles behind the scenes. Testament to how many brilliant players we had during that period.

No. Such is football. Are United's achievements under Ferguson tainted because they became the laughing stock of world football when he left?

Lmao They deserve it though

As always it'll be underappreciated by the English media who should really be celebrating an English player causing top Serie A defences problems at the age of 38.

unironically this

I thought he might struggle on the pitch but I didn't think the foreign environment would be a problem. He comes across as a deceptively intelligent guy who takes nothing for granted.

He's just a proper ****ing footballer