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so he improved MK Dons by 6 places and Swansea by 5 in his 2nd full season? Southampton he won promotion

I don't want RVN here next season, but the way Top and Rudkin have treated him is shameful. They will likely bin him off with a text, then announce Martin 10 mins later.

They were the 3rd highest scorers in the Championship last season, only 2 behind us. I am not sure where this 1-0 thing has come from. They dished out some thrashings too. I don't want him here either but I do think he will get us promoted and not with 1-0 wins either. The passing out the back will be painful though.

That the fans love Rudkin.

Listening to him on Lineker's podcast, he absolutely does not show any signs of willingness to adapt. It will be similar to Maresca and I agree that it will likely be successful in the Championship, but longer-term, it is pushing us down a route that will not keep us a Premier League club, unless rules are changed and we could invest heavily in the playing squad. I think he may be shocked how much negativity the fans will have towards him and the club too. So, he better start off very well as people want blood already.

I am not interested in promotion. I want that passing record!

I am sure once this officially announced, that everyone will get behind him...

Has RVN fallen out with another player?

That line-up would be honking in the Championship, let alone the Prem. Cheerio RVN. Handsome man but not a good Manager.

The rare few who are suggesting we keep RVN, need to put that to bed today. That line-up is horrific.

Still the most likely outcome for me. Will get us promoted his way, but barely improve on his Southampton in the Premier League. Promoted teams just do not have the funds or pulling power to attract the type of players needed to make this way successful against the established teams. Do you think Dyche would have a better crack at promotion and staying up doing it his way? Weirdly, I think Martin would fair slightly better in the Championship with us, but Dyche would likely give us a more realistic chance of staying up. Two complete opposites and both painful from a fan's perspective. Most important thing for me, is to get back to the Premier League at the first time of asking. We can then make changes in an attempt to stay up. We have to be there to be able to give us that chance again though, and the financial incentive to bounce straight back is huge.

Would Sean Dyche please stand up.

Fixed for you.

Calling it now. Sunderland will break the record for the lowest points in the Premier League. They are woefully unprepared to bridge that ever increasing gap.

It will work in the Championship, even with some individual errors, as they often go unpunished. I don't believe his method will ever work in the Premier League, as you need a far superior team than he would be capable of putting together on a promoted side's budget.

Sheff Utd will be a bigger test for us than Sunderland would have been. Not a great result for us. Sunderland may as well start planning for their return to the Championship though, no way they stay up.

He looked quality in the Championship, but so did Vestergaard. I just hate his attitude, and how he constantly throws his hands up even when he is at fault. Always got the impression that he thinks he is much better than he actually is. Get him gone. CB's are the positions we need to do most work in over the Summer, with Coady, Verstergaard and Faes hopefully OUT.

Listening to him recently, I don't see any sign that he is willing to even contemplate having a Plan B. He has talked about learning from his mistakes, but also implied that he will be doubling down on his playing ethos. I think he will get us promoted with his Plan A, but really struggle in the Premier League again. That isn't the worst thing in the world, as we could still give ourselves a chance of staying up with a smart replacement by October, but I see why people don't warm to the idea of having a Manager that is likely to fail in the future, and also do it with a style that is often boring. I also want to get promoted at the first time of asking though, so if it is him, I will try to focus on the positive that he achieved that just 12 months ago. Whether doing that through the play-offs is seen as a negative, I don't take much notice of. His remit was promotion and he did that, and I'd argue that Leeds actually had a stronger team too. Southampton were the worst of the 3 relegated teams the season prior. If it is Martin, he is going to need a very good start, as the majority on here at least, are clearly unhappy. Then again, the majority on here were reasonable optimistic about RVN, and look how that turned out.

Read the room Sankey! This is Armageddon. The end of the days.

I think it is likely he has already agreed to join, but we are waiting to announce RVN sacking and Martin incoming, after our last game. Sorry folks, but just a guess.

Totally agree. I actually think he, like Dyche, would be the most likely to get us straight back up from the Championship. But, he would have to get really lucky in the transfer market to bring players in that could make that same style work in the Premier League against far superior opposition. I think he would do better than he did with Southampton, but still fall well short. I think even Dyche would now struggle to bridge that gap too, even with his completely opposite approach. I think if we do go for either Martin or Dyche, then it is short-sightedness from Top and Rudkin, but understandable from a purely short-term financial stance of getting back to Premier League riches at the first chance.

I actually think the Premier League would prefer to give us a points deduction this season and be done with it. We would accept that without a fight. Other clubs would cry foul, but ultimately, everything would be resolved and all parties can finally move on. I have never really bought into this idea that the Premier League and EFL want revenge on us. They likely want this done and dusted just as much as us at this point. Hopefully, Maguire is spot on.

I refuse to make the same mistake I did last time, when I thought Iheanacho would shine in the Championship and become our starting No.9... Daka will be rubbish in the Championship. Sell and get in a new starting No.9

I think it is more of a case that no one wants these overpaid crappy players, so we are stuck with them until their contract finally runs out. Looking at you Danny!

Fair point, but staying down might mean we are there a long time. Best chance is to go straight back up and then use that money to invest in the right players and hopefully stay up, something that I know sounds laughable after this season. I just look at some of the teams that have been stuck in the Championship or even dropped to League 1, and don't want to become that again.