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If anyone wants more info on the specifics of this and why we know what we know, feel free to ask on the dedicated thread BTW.

I understand the frustration. But this is a dichotomy with next to no nuance, and that is because the parties directly involved in it think only in those terms. I don't like it either because usually there is complexities to such things, but I'm not going to lie about that, either. If you want someone to blame, I would suggest blaming those who have been so reductive in the first place, rather than those who simply recognise the reduction. I emphatically agree that we're being lied to, by a variety of sources and that's not acceptable. But nor is it acceptable to not consider an unintended but predictable consequence of trying to stop those lies will be a world with more of those lies in, not less.

And as if the Earth doesn't pose a much larger and actually meaningful threat that the UK (and everyone else) needs to mobilise and industrialise for anyway. Which just goes to show how far democratic systems can be subverted by careful application of media manipulation. Edit: or there is a real problem with short term self interest with far too many people that really needs addressing quickly.

I'm sure there are legit indirect threats (such as cyber attacks on infrastructure), but directly? No, agreed. I've heard this argument before, and my response remains the same. Be all of this as it may, if someone is advocating for the Beeb to face crippling consequences for this, they are also, directly by association, advocating for a situation where the only news anyone hears is what people like Trump want folks to hear. There's no middle ground here - again, people like Trump have seen to that. I'll let anyone consider what situation they'd rather have.

Right, but at the end of all the legal argument, how exactly can he get the Beeb to pay up should he win? I honestly don't know what enforcement mechanism exists for such a situation.

Military man in jingoistic seeking of material and moral aid for a cause he believes to be important shocker. Genuine question; were Trump to win this case, how exactly would he and this Florida court enforce payment? If the Beeb are in any way wise, they don't have funds in the US to sequester and does a US state court have jurisdiction over funds that reside in other nations?

"Extraordinary" certainly is one word that might be used.

Are you sure? It was on the site, using his account, and as far as can be found it's still there.

I have words, but I don't think many of them would get past the profanity filter here.

Unfortunately, it appears to be.

I think their stated intent of implanting the ideological values of one specific religious sect - theirs - into the very fabric of a supposedly secular country makes the distinction above rather narrow in this case, but each to their own.

Please go ahead. And look at the religious makeup of the Heritage Foundation (who came up with it) while you're there.

Project 2025 is the brainchild of a very specific Christian sect, yes. And considering it already currently has the ear of the most powerful administration on the planet and the ideas it puts forward have prominent political representatives elsewhere, I'd say it's doing pretty well. When you have the most powerful nation on the planet where it's next to impossible to rise to the highest of offices without a very specific religious belief, then I would also say it's heyday of power, though much more subtle than the days of Inquisition and burning at the stake, still remain. That's a level of power the violent and bloodthirsty Wahabists can only dream of right now. Totally in contravention of the ideas that the man who is the basis of that religion preached, of course, but they're hardly the only hypocrites there.

There's far more than simply one more Abrahamic religious sect (how many such sects exist within the three primary Abrahamic religions?), so no, I'm not. A good example of a method that is equally nasty in terms of its intent but much more subtle in terms of its methods would be Project 2025.

I think that some folks are onto something when they say the guns aren't the only problem. They are a massive part of it, but it's the whole mentality of individualist paranoia (everyone's out to get me!) that makes them buy them and keep them.

And as computer processing power increases, that distinction will become ever more blurry. It's a new tech arms race, with rather high stakes.

Stay safe, Deb. Unfortunately, yes, times are changing.

Speaking of shitbags shouting the loudest, nice of Netanyahu to tie the plight of an entire demographic in with his own ideological and political objectives in the aftermath of this terrible event.

Brave new world, huh?

Perhaps that's because many of the other Abrahamic religious sects who are really interested in domination have (by and large) got enough power to be able to leverage it in less outwardly violent ways in order to attempt to assert ideological control in nations where they have that power? Smart and well established enough to use the law book and media, not the gun and bomb, for their ends. So yeah, no need for euphemisms when there's not as much reported overall overt violence, but I'm not sure that means the overall aim isn't similar.

Neither of those are making this event all about them, nor engaging in heinous acts on a vast scale both domestically and abroad while pretending to be paragons of virtue via a sophisticated marketing campaign that William Randolph Hearst would approve of. But yes, let's leave it at that because this is a dance where we're both too familiar with the steps.

All of those were pointed out, at length, at the time or retrospectively. As is this one. As it should be. FIFA clearly has a history of giving tournaments to morally repugnant regimes, and that is a problem. But don't hold any illusions that this one isn't up there with the rest in terms of repugnancy.

Think this just stands by itself tbh.

I doubt, however, the same could be said for choosing to make the festivities all about himself.

Dick van Dyke makes it to the ton. Biggest victim of the Scunthorpe Problem on the Internet.