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Yes those examples popped up quickly also this from a few years earlier “We are all made in the image of God; we are complex human beings,” Kirk said. “Skin color is the most immaterial part of you. That is a sloppy, lazy and, dare I say, divisive way to actually try and say this is the most important way to think about your fellow human beings.” And your last sentence re Tate is a bit of a generalisation at best The videos I’ve seen of his debates contained plenty of stuff I disagree with but his approach to talk things through is something we should value. No one claimed the fella was a saint. Clearly a divisive character. Being a victim of political assassination doesn’t absolve you of unpleasant things you’ve said or believed in. But I don’t believe this was the general discussion on here. It was about the fact he’d been murdered in public for his politics.

Wasn’t aware of this and I will do some digging

of course you do but he debated his stances in a respectful and constructive way. Of course his oratory skills meant rally came out on top but at least people could listen to both viewpoints made respectfully. Discussing things respectfully would make the world a better place - surely that’s not open to debate ?

Had a text discussion with one of my daughters earlier - a year out of uni and your assumptions about her politics are correct. I have a lot of text discussions with her as I try and put forward balancing viewpoints. Mostly I’m accused of not having empathy on a wide range of issues. I can confirm that there was no empathy this morning for mr Kirk from her end.

‘I vehemently oppose what you say but I will absolutely defend your right to say it’ (assuming what you say isn’t inciting violence) this is where we need to get back to and not with screaming and shouting at each other

Might be better off asking to stay where we are and winning division 2 again 😄

incidentally, if our Gary can beat ant and dec to the NTA, then farage can absolutely be the next PM ……… single issue politics can deliver a big percentage of votes

He was entitled to his opinions. Irrespective of whether you agree with them or not, afaik, he never justified violence re political debate/protests. If more people engaged with each other as he did with those who disagreed with him, the world would be a better place. That’s not to excuse some of his opinions and stances (which I didn’t agree with) but jaw jaw is always better. I wasn’t specifically referencing this murder it’s getting worse Bert sadly there are plenty and many asking why the media has suddenly moved away from their particular issue to discuss this. loads of whataboutery jeez we’re in a dark place

Of course there isn’t but in the modern world, SM delivers a lot of ‘sick’ people to do more than talk on the back of what they’ve read or heard.

I think his point is that the right to bear arms means that innocent people will die. He considered that a price worth paying for the safety aspect he believed that provided plus its free speech connections (which I don’t get). The irony in that is obvious but having seen a few of his videos (I get a very wide algorithmic delivery before you ask) I’d be pretty sure that if you could ask him today at the pearly gates, he wouldn’t change his view.

Charlie Kirk looks to have been shot dead at one of his ‘events’.

With or without farmers ?

Reform are way closer to the tories than the tories would like to admit farage is a protest politician. Just like Corbyn. Farage has to get over this stereotyping.

Doubt it - more to come if they get on it will not be for too long

His highlight reel v Spain last week was impressive. They absolutely targeted him - I think 12 fouls in the first half! The message will go out not to try and tackle him in the box because his quick feet and shoulder drop are ridiculous.

Still remember shilts v Norwich at filbert st. All in white, sliding out on his back feet first to save with his fists above his head as bowyer was in on goal and fired low and hard in his prime with us, shilton was immense 1 v 1

It’s on the way once it arrives they’d do v well to get any more play today

He should but he’s still got to go through the monetisation stage of his career development. Much will depend on his mentality and his family influence. Plenty can still go wrong for him. (And for Monga)

Just continuing a long held tradition of British political upper echelons ………. if were true - who knows ? Who cares ?

Polish airspace entered by Russian drones ……..

Rumoured to be deal done to Liverpool next summer

RAF refueling tanker is often doing those circuits over the gulf. Not suspicious imo. they are already shadow boxing in Syria turkey very active in the north and isr in the south. Turkey also close to and v supportive of jolani cant see any chance that isr attack within turkey’s borders. A lot of what erdogan says is for domestic consumption. He’s a shrewd operator.

isr attacks Qatar (with us assets present not far from Doha) without informing them ?? US army and air force must have extensive air defence systems in place . It’s Implausible imo. At what point the USA informed Qatar authorities - who knows ?

Some chatter via Saudi that the Americans informed Qatar pre attack I wonder if this has been done now because BN wouldn’t get another opportunity as he knows trump is going to force an end to the war soon. Killing these guys he claims were responsible for Oct 7 could give him more of an out. be interesting to see if any of the hams leaders have survived - will they stick their heads back above the parapet or quietly slip away with their many many millions ??

Well they wouldn’t admit to knowing