SecretPro

Quite, but my argument would be that the care of the Environment should be at the centre of anybody so anthropocentric, because without a healthy environment there genuinely are no people (and I'm not even really on about climate change - it's the current 6th mass extinction and biodiversity crisis that is likely to finish us off first, because many many creatures perform tasks that are essential to human life, insects being the main category (whether that be essential food pollination, assisting plant reproduction providing the oxygen we breathe, waste removal services, dealing with decay and driving the essential nitrogen cycle required for life, those microorganisms on land and ocean that sequest more atmospheric carbon than all of the worlds forests put together or the natural defence against pest species and associated disease that a functioning ecosystem provides, and they have suffered a 70% decline in the last 40 years alone)

If we are talking about the debate on assisted dying my view is that the likes of the strange and utterly non-existent arguments being promoted by the likes of the Archbishop of Canterbury which amount to scaremongering about how we are all suddenly going to just be injecting everyone who says they'd like to die or is poor, or old or whatever other trope it may be is frankly ridiculous. For the very limited number of cases in which any Swiss style assisted dying would be granted in the UK in factual reality then I'm probably pro-assisted dying. I watched a very good piece on the news last week where a priest had changed her mind on assisted dying from anti to pro after having to care for her mother at end-of-life. Experience of those situations will and does easily change views. Too many who haven't experienced those situations are far too happy to band about this idea that suddenly we'll be killing everyone off as an argument for pro-life. If I was terminally I'll and suffering to the point where life really was not worth living, why would I not only inflict that on myself but also on my loved ones...especially being as the end really is the same, ie. Death. Where do we take it next, shall be ban abortion? Shall we just change our name to America.

Quite! Amazing how people so easily disconnect those two things. Why should we care so much about something as small as insects etc? Well, in the words of E O Wilson, If all mankind were to disappear, the world would regenerate back to the rich state of equilibrium that existed ten thousand years ago. If insects were to vanish, the environment would collapse into chaos. Basically, without nature, we die. Without even just Bees (a few species amongst millions) we Basically die. Oh but, its not important.

This is also one of the biggest tropes going too. It's not huge rates of birth in Africa driving climate breakdown or financial crisis. The developed world is entirely responsible for emissions and subsequent climate change. Third world nations may well have higher birth rates but in terms of consumerism, land use, and emissions their impact is non-existent. Nobody is taking ablut euthanasia either. The human body wasn't designed to live for 100 years, not even close. We've made it live that long through constant medical advancement and now it's costing us on every single front - climate change, global finance etc etc.

That's all you needed to say really. People only caring about people and treating the human race as the only entity entitled to exist when it means the plunder, rape, exploitation of anything and everything on earth which is essentially leading to the death of the earth is the exact reason we are in this mess to begin with. The debate really was what can YOU do to affect positive change. Your post above moots several great phylosophical ideas that have existed for decades and have never been acted on and will never wver be acted on with the current status quo of the rich getting richer and everything revolving around economic growth. Its all wishful thinking, not proactive in any way.

Thats probably down to medical advances in developed countries more than anything though surely? Modern medicine is a marvel, but we are crossing into the realm that we are now continuing, blindly, to keep people alive for far too long when really their time should have come to an end. Its horrible, but it's the truth. Modern medicine has a lot to answer for, especially on public finance and ageing populations. When does it stop? The thought of consistently keeping entire nations generally alive well past the 100's is already scary enough, especially when Global population is probably close to Double what it should be to maintain a healthy planet (although, for instance, if everybody was plant based we could accommodate far more people on the planet as land use for agriculture would almost be halved etc, leaving far more land for natute based services and all the positive things bought about by truly health ecosystems - take Soy alone for instance, 90% of the worlds soy is grown as feed for livestock, so not only do you have masses of land given over to grow animal feed, you also have masses of land given over to house that livestock. Most rainforest deforestation in the world today is either for livestock, or to grow food for livestock. Despite us constantly being told Palm Oil is the main culprit. The graph is also skewed because 36% of Palm is harvested for Palm Kernal, to feed to livestock (the EU is the largest importer and the UK is the 4th largest consumer of Kernal). Palm oil is in fact the most eco-friendly oil on the planet, with the greatest yield to area by quite some margin - to stop Palm production and replace with an alternative would lead to a requirement of an extra 40% of land to harvest the same yield.

True, but as we've also discussed, if individual, normal people want to make an individual impact on climate change, then eating a plant based diet is the single biggest change an individual can make. Would be positive for health care and health care/NHS finance too. It's all very well relying on Governments and Policy to dictate the future, but as individuals we can make positive changes too, and every change, no matter how small, is better than no change at all. Frankly, if we are going to just sit back and say 'ah **** it, no point me doing anything, only the Governments can sort it' then we are beyond dead already. It will always irk me a little that someone so engaged in Environmental issues and willing to talk about it so much isn't vegan, mainly because if even you arent willing to make a minor change then our hopes of Joe Public doing it are non existent...

I'm surprised, as an Environmentalist, you take that view. There is plenty of evidence, especially for certain cancers, that show the rate has increased almost exactly in line with an increase in meat consumption over the last 100 years for instance.

Did somebody hand out FoxesTalk flyers to the happy clappy Brendy' bunch at the last home game or something because this thread is full of people I've never seen post before telling me how fantastic Cooper is and how rubbish the actual football coach Enzo Maresca was, or has Rudkin gone down the Russian bott route?

This, in a nutshell. It was the same attitude that kept Brenda going for so long.

Pay a heftyish fee for him now before he becomes Argentinas main man and his value becomes exponential.

I'm so in love. Will be heartbroken at seasons end.

Subs bang on for the first time since he took over the club? He doesn't get credit, he just wins back a bit of the losses surely.

Yes.

Imagine Bueno not existing? Christ.

Super Cooper does it again!

He's saved for another week.

Give Brighton £50m now.

LOL.

Been dreadful for a good couple of years.

**** him off at half time the ****ing useless ****.

Chelsea really have ended up with a top quality manager. Meanwhile we are being managed by a potato.

Think he turns out to be one of Argentinas best players in the post Messi era.

Still can't believe Brighton loaned him out. Our best player again so far by a mile.

Finished well sub-26 today, a minute quicker than last weeks PB. Felt rough as hell aswell and forgot to press start on Strava so assumed I'd done it in about 27/28. My goal of running a sub-25 by Christmas looks more than achievable now.