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Just posted a picture of his new born. Assume in response....

All of that is just media training, sound bite 101. He's always talked a good game and said the right things, but you don't have to be an expert in body language to see he doesn't believe in anything he's saying.

The key difference is Cooper was actually trying and cared about doing a good job, he might of been a terrible manager but you can't fault his effort. Ruud is both terrible and couldn't give a shit, it's all about him and his ego.

And miss out on seeing THE carabao cup winners? Under the lights, on filbert way no less? How could anyone miss such an event.

Spot on, I can accept on some level hes just out of his depth and has had a terrible pass, clearly been lied to like every manager. But he has such contempt for the fan base since this, after every game he goes and says hello to some big name players on the opposition team and then heads straight down the tunnel, no accountability, the mentality of a pathetically weak man who just wants to get his pay off and never look back. It's absolutely beyond me why we are persisting with a guy who is actively showing you week in week out he absolutely despises being here.

Obviously I know we are done and I knew we were long ago, but its crazy to keep a manager who is not only out of his depth, but clearly just wants the pay off, he's just got no interest in being here and if it's obvious to us you can see how obvious it is to the players and the impact it's having. He's just going through the motions doing the bare minimum. I dont think appointing a new full time manager is the right thing for the rest of the season, just whack a caretaker in charge and go down with a bit of fight and pride we can carry into next year with someone new.

The sad thing is, nothing is going to change. We are just going accept it, read some AI written apology with some kind of "we will be back" catch phrase and enough people will buy in to it and we will just carry on into oblivion.

It's very bizarre. I said to my mates, for nearly half the fanbase, it's just a day out, not too dissimilar to going to the cinema for them. Their entire footballing opinions are anything that the mainstream sports media tell them, they've convinced themselves we are just little old leicester and it was almost inevitable. The club is very good at manipulating and maintaining them aswell, free stuff and rolling out some good propaganda in a programme every now and then. The word Cuckold has been thrown and it's very apt imo. And look they pay their money they can support how they want even if its annoying and in my opinion detrimental to the club....what I can't abide is the group within them that tells others they can't boo, or be unhappy and leap to the clubs defense at every turn. I honestly believe the only way they will turn is a mid table, or worse, season in the championship, when the stadiums half full, and they get a bit of a shock about how bad those days were, we bounced back last year immediately so I don't think it's quite landed how bad it could and probably will get.

Honestly think some of our fans still think it's the 90s

I know he can't say much, but his post match presser was just lifeless football clichés. Painful to listen to.

It's a fair challenge haha Was just a sport day with some mates, pub crawls, cup final etc. and we were just about drunk enough to think it would be a laugh. I've made worse drunk decisions, not by much though.

Not really, Rudkin out at 14, shouted at by the clappers. Lots of people telling others who were unhappy "It's man united, what did you expect" or "look at southampton and Ipswich, the gap is too big, what cab you do?" Most of the vocal fans were gone by the end so they still got applauded off by a large section of the fans.

Another terrible performance against a team who didn't even have to try. Similar to Arsenal and West Ham games. More apathy in the stands from Fans, heard alot of "why are you angry, it's man united" that's how out of touch the fan base is, they think it's the 90s. I just don't really get what the plan is? Hard to say anything that hasn't already been said, it's fairly clear to me that bar a couple of players absolutely no one cares. We've got a manager so out of his depth you almost have to feel sorry for him at this point, it's been like having the kit man in charge. The worst thing is everyone behind the scenes doesn't know what to do, this has caught them off guard and we are just frozen in disbelief it's happened again. But too many of the fans are fine with it so onto the championship we go, hopefully with a new manager, but I doubt it.

SK3 "why are people getting mad, it's man united, what did they expect?"

Soumare and Faes masterclass. Miss the ball and then don't engage, just let him run at goal under no pressure.

Playing like a side that has 5 at the back and 2 holding midfielders.

The only issue is we have shown time and again we won't do that, it would have to be some 180 in the way we operate. Which would be welcome but I just don't believe this lot have it in them, I think they will say the team is a play off team, just add a couple and we will come back.

Good listen, I honestly think this is the key to turning the "be careful what you wish for" crowd. They think they are above it all and the only people that are annoyed are some "young chavs" as one of them said to me. They need official outlets to tell them the same thing most of us have been saying because they haven't got the interest to go looking for it, they need it spoon fed.

If you look at the comments post QPR etc. And general comments from in the game at the time of his appointments, he demands a high level of professionalism. The problem is we have a squad of players who aren't bothered and don't listen/think they know better. Like a teenager tuning out a shouting parent. Like @ClaphamFox says the issue is you have to back it up by being a good manager aswell, one thing to demand better standards off the pitch another to make it translate on the pitch. For what it's worth I think both @ClaphamFox and @Claudio Fannieri are right, the reason he hasn't gone is Top is desperate for this to work out and is impressed with RVN off the field. The issue for me is I don't think Top has figured out RVN is at his whits end with the group and is also not showing the signs of a good manager who can adapt. I believe RVN has been told he can have the summer to clear it out and start again, but my issue is, I am not sure we can have another 10 games of this I just cant see how you can over see this for aslong as he has and will have done and think it will turn around and also I don't see how we can have a big clear out, we still have alot of the "bad eggs" on big money who won't want to leave, for instance Vestergaard has 2 more years rumoured to be around the 70k a week zone, he has no interest in moving clubs and we've made it so easy for him he will quite happily just take his money and not play. It's just another proper mess of a situation caused by really really poor recruitment and squad building.

I do get the cynicism based on previous output of the foxes trust. And I know it's cool to be negative about everything, but is there an alternative? Whilst it may not be optimal, the alternative feels like no one tries or even has a way of trying to hold the club to account and they just do what they want and then we continue to moan?

Before the spurs game, I don't think he offered his resignation officially, but he was seriously pissed off with us for not backing him aswell as some of the players attitudes and Top stepped in. Was when all those press releases circulated.

Not sure if this has been posted or if it's the right place to post. But fair play to Soucek.

Someone should tell Ruud, he hasn't quite figured out the 2nd half "improvement" was because the game was done and West Ham were just coasting and the fact anything would of been an improvement on the 1st half.

This doesn't absolve RVN from giving up or being a bad manager, but this squad we have do not respond well to managers calling them out or disciplining them. Half of them think they are alot better than they are and they haven't responded well to Ruud trying to set a standard and demand more professionalism. If you look at his comments after the QPR game he was saying players need to earn their spot etc. He has tried to improve their professionalism but when the big characters and earners have no interest in meeting him halfway it's a tough ask. Like I say doesn't absolve him but we have a rotten squad with a rank attitude to the core. There are a couple of exceptions but most are rotting the club as much as the ownership.

He didn't want to come here