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As much as I get the sentiment of what you are saying, this is surely a question of freedom? I am an ex-smoker and would never ever want one of my children to ever smoke a cigarette. However, we live in a country where it is currently legal to smoke tobacco over a certain age. I sometimes feel that certain sections in society (this is not aimed at you but a wider point) want to legalise currently illegal drugs but want to ban/sanitise tobacco, alcohol etc which have been part of the culture of this country for hundreds of years. Is this is a sign of the change in this country over the last 25 years?

40 years old, can probably guess what estate I'm from and still live on from my username. You described my childhood, good working class people, race and religion irrelevant, just normal hard-working families who did their best and lived relatively normal lives. Materialistically, didn't have a great amount and a week at the seaside in the summer was paradise. Blaby, Groby, Anstey, Countesthorpe etc are places that were seen as posh to me and better lives than mine. I wonder how many of the people who post on here sneering at comments you have made grew up in places like that rather than where we did?

Roy Keane. Mixed bag in his coaching career but seems the sort of character that's needed to shake this lot up.

I get that and I've done plenty over the years but my young son has never been away and had the experience such as early starts, trains, pubs etc so I was just putting it out there as it's become a closed shop over the last few years.

Any chance of tickets going on general? Perfect chance for fans to get an away experience who have not been before.

He is awful, I hate to say it with him being a local lad but just so so poor. They are clearly targeting him and that tells you all you need to know.

Fair play, thank you.

Apologies, I meant to quote Cornwall Fox replay, it wasn't a wider question.

So if I'm a Reform supporter (currently wouldn't vote for them fwiw) it's not a fair question but if I'm not then it is? This is what I was touching on in my earlier posts, it seems we have to be pigeon-holed left or right but can not just have a honest debate about the simple question in front of us?

I would argue that charging a nominal fee to see a GP would increase the quality of service because it would cut out the nonsense. I've been guilty of it myself with my kids, best be on the safe side and take them doctors when they have a sniffle. Before I get jumped on, I know you will always have an extreme example where this could be more serious but 99.9% of the time it's a sniffle. Less pointless appointments in the system, the more freedom the doctor has, the better care received.

Let me try to get back to my original point. Fortunately, I've not had to see the GP in the last 18 months, I have been to the pharmacist on a couple of occasions and paid £6/7 quid for medical products (not blue tablets). I'll be honest and admit that I was in Home Farm Pharmacy in Beauy if anyone knows it and I was a little pissed off that there was a guy in there clearly receiving drug replacement products for free whilst I was paying. On reflection later on, I had ignored the other person and wondered why I was annoyed that I had paid for my health, arguably the most important thing we have, when I would think nothing of going opposite and getting a chicken meal for the same price. This is where this stemmed from, not any party politics etc just a reflection that in this country we seem to be anti paying for healthcare, which we do indirectly through taxation, and I wanted a wider discussion whether this was culturally unique to Brits or whether people had actually thought outside the box about this. I think Greg was correct in his initial response that it's basically all we have ever known and we wouldn't like it taking away (I'm not saying that was his sole point but it touched on that). Hope this makes more sense, just wanted a honest discussion without it getting into the usual left/right must take sides nonsense we seem to have a lot.

Again, I refer to my point of £20 (example fee) to see a GP. I never mentioned private hospitals, that's a wider debate. I don't interact a lot on this forum but read a lot and unfortunately this seems a common theme of trying to shut a person/conversation down by just ignoring a point made and changing the argument.

Thank you for actually replying to the question I was asking. I totally understand and agree somewhat to what you have said. People do not like change and it worries me we have created an entitlement culture in various ways. I take the point about an unexpected cost but isn't that the same as when you MOT fails and you suddenly have to find £300 you haven't budgeted for? For context, I do not have private health insurance, and would not object to paying a relatively small fee to see a GP if and when I had to.

I said, in the first instance, 20 quid to see the GP. I never mentioned health insurance. Been derailed straight away by two people without actually acknowledging the point I was making.

So the fear I had manifests itself within two minutes. I didn't refer to Reforms policy, I asked a simple question of why we, as British people, seem to have an irrational fear of paying to see a doctor when we pay for pretty much every other service we use. It was a simple question about our society and culture.