HankMarvin

That’s a bit punchy

I’m talking about next season, if he has a poor start after 10 what’s really going to change. As we saw with Rodgers, a team can capitulate when near the bottom. I mean he has nearly had it happen from top of the league this season, and that with the promotion favourites

Well that is depending on how he finishes the season the last 10 games have been patchy to say the least, so if he had a shit start you would give him the whole season then?

If he gets promoted he deserves at least 10 games in the Prem. O’Neills first bit of time at the club wasn’t that successful but he pushed on after promotion.

Got to be “it’s 11 it’s heaven” hasn’t it? So significant and will it ever be matched or beat?

Sold out

Can we meet you half way and does this count

What he lacks technically, he made up with heart and desire today.

Maybe when he retires wkd will do a limited drink like Wes Morgan Rum, or red bull it gives you wings with him flapping his arms

Vesty goal incoming

37 and he is still so important to this club in terms or how valuable his goals could be on getting us over the line.

We look more comfortable going at teams, rather than holding the ball.

Looks at the posts of chilwell before he left, was underrated here. Barnes was panned also in the last 18 months before leaving. Although injury has scuppered his short term success since. KDH will go on to have a lot better career than Jeff Schlupp. Given that KDH, was a late bloomer sometimes fans just expect too much.

A pen?

“Oh my god, there form is so patchy how can you expect them to win every game” (5 wins from 10) Us on the other hand (3 wins in 10) “Who cares, 9 points from 12 will see us promoted”

You don’t think whopping a play off hopeful gives more?

Just what they needed a huge confidence boost

Oh dear

Yet for some reason is plausible for us to win 3 out of 4 after winning 3 from 10

Don’t give them any momentum

Why is it more suited to the prem? Yes teams don’t defend so deep, but we also wouldn’t see as much of the ball and our frailties would be further exposed.

After relegation season one 27 percent season two 10 percent season three 5 percent chance of promotion The one year bounce-backs It is the hope of any team axed from the Premier League. The plan: re-group in the summer, gather some serious momentum and then reclaim your spot in the top flight — hopefully in a stronger and more robust position than when you left the previous spring. The first parachute payment — 55 per cent of the equal distribution of broadcast payments to Premier League sides — received in the first season down in the EFL probably helps quite a bit in pulling this off. But of the 81 teams relegated from domestic football’s elite division since 1995-96, only 22 (around 27 per cent) bounced straight back. On average, less than one relegated team a season returns to the top flight one year later. There have been campaigns in which the promotion spots are heavily occupied by the previous season’s relegated teams. There are five years in which two of the three sides to come down have been promoted back up. Newcastle have bounced straight back from relegation twice Over the past five seasons, five relegated teams have been promoted in the following campaign. But there has also been one year within that window in which none of the three bounced back There have also been some long spells without any teams making immediate returns to the top flight. Between the end of the 2002-03 season and the end of 2005-06, no sides went straight back up. The same happened between the end of 2016-17 and the end of 2018-19. Total teams promoted back after one season: 22 Promotion after one season TeamRelegatedPositionPromotedPosition Bolton 1995-96 20th 1996-97 1st Middlesbrough 1996-97 19th 1997-98 2nd Nottingham Forest 1996-97 20th 1997-98 1st Charlton 1998-99 18th 1999-20 1st Manchester City 2000-01 18th 2001-02 1st Leicester City 2001-02 20th 2002-03 2nd Birmingham City 2005-06 18th 2006-07 2nd Sunderland 2005-06 20th 2006-07 1st Birmingham City 2007-08 18th 2008-09 2nd Newcastle United 2008-09 19th 2009-10 1st West Brom 2008-09 20th 2009-10 2nd West Ham 2010-11 20th 2011-12 Play-offs QPR 2012-13 20th 2013-14 Play-offs Norwich City 2013-14 18th 2014-15 Play-offs Hull City 2014-15 18th 2015-16 Play-offs Burnley 2014-15 19th 2015-16 1st Newcastle United 2015-16 18th 2016-17 1st Fulham 2018-19 19th 2019-20 Play-offs Watford 2019-20 19th 2020-21 2nd Norwich City 2019-20 20th 2020-21 1st Fulham 2020-21 18th 2021-22 1st Burnley 2021-22 18th 2022-23 1st Bouncing back within two years This is less common than going up again after one Championship season, suggesting that the best opportunity of re-entering the Premier League is on your first attempt. The second parachute payment, worth 45 per cent of the equal distribution of broadcast payments to Premier League sides, is a sizeable drop from season one’s 55 per cent. Just eight teams across the 81 in our sample were promoted to the Premier League after their second season in the second tier. In 2004-05, two clubs who had been relegated in 2002-03 won back places in the top flight — West Ham Unitedand Sunderland. West Ham are Premier League staples now, but were an EFL side in 2005 Sheffield United, who were relegated in 2020-21, have achieved the same feat this season, finishing as runners-up to Burnley. Sunderland’s 1998-99 promotion is also of note — it followed a loss in the play-off final on penalties the season before. They were unlucky to need a second bite of the cherry, but capitalised fully when granted that additional nibble. Total teams promoted back after two seasons: Eight Promotion after two seasons TeamRelegatedPositionPromoted Sunderland 1996-97 18th 1998-99 Blackburn Rovers 1998-99 20th 2000-01 West Ham United 2002-03 18th 2004-05 Sunderland 2002-03 20th 2004-05 West Brom 2005-06 19th 2007-08 West Brom 2017-18 20th 2019-20 Bournemouth 2019-20 18th 2021-22 Sheffield United 2020-21 20th 2022-23 Bouncing back within three years As teams move further away from their relegation to the Championship, they get less and less likely to go back up to the Premier League. When it reaches the third season down, it is very rare that teams who come down ever experience the warm glow of the top flight again. Relegated teams who had been in the Premier League for more than one season receive a third and final parachute payment in year three of 20 per cent of the equal distribution of broadcast payments, which is clearly an even greater drop-off than between their first and second seasons in the EFL. This might be why just four teams have been promoted back to the Premier League in their third season down in the time period we looked at — half the number who went up at the end of year two. Norwich and Aston Villa earned promotion in their third season in the Championship four years ago, having gone down together in 2015-16. There have been just two other seasons in which teams have gone up at the third post-relegation attempt. Total teams promoted back after three seasons: 4 Promotion after three seasons TeamRelegatedPositionPromoted Bolton 1997-98 18th 2000-01 Hull City 2009-10 19th 2012-13 Norwich City 2015-16 19th 2018-19 Aston Villa 2015-16 20th 2018-19 Relegated again within three years As bad as relegation is, there is an even worse outcome — a double relegation. This feat — or nightmare — has twice happened to clubs in back-to-back seasons. In 2011-12, Wolverhampton Wandererswere relegated from the Premier League after spending two seasons on the top-flight gravy train. They appointed Stale Solbakken as manager that summer, then replaced him with Dean Saunders in the January, but at the end of a chaotic 2012-13 campaign, dropped to League One. Sunderland tumbled out of the Premier League in 2016-17. With the Netflix documentary cameras watching on, they then plunged straight through the second tier into League One. They only came back up from the third tier for the start of this season. Sunderland suffered double relegation before promotion back to the Championship last year While only those two teams have done back-to-back relegations, a further four have been relegated within three years of falling into the Championship. Barnsley, having come down from the top flight in 1997-98, were relegated to what is now League One in 2001-02. Leeds went from being Champions League semi-finalists in 2000-01 to relegation in 2003-04. Their financial woes would then lead them further down, into League One, at the end of 2006-07. Portsmouth had their own money problems when they were relegated from the Premier League in 2009-10 and these were exacerbated when they went down to the third division two years later. Remarkably, they dropped to League Two at the end of 2012-13, making it three relegations in four seasons. Wigan Athletic won the FA Cup final that same season, but were relegated from the Premier League three days later. They had a good first year back in the Championship, reaching the play-offs, but started 2014-15 badly and sacked Uwe Rosler in the November. They appointed Malky Mackay, then Gary Caldwell for the final few games, but could not arrest the slide. Relegated within three years TeamRelegated to ChampPositionRelegated to L1 Barnsley 1997-98 19th 2001-02 Leeds United 2003-04 19th 2006-07 Portsmouth 2009-10 20th 2011-12 Wolves 2011-12 20th 2012-13 Wigan Athletic 2012-13 18th 2014-15 Sunderland 2016-17 20th 2017-18

Not like the midfield having been doing much, let’s drop one of them and play him in his preferred position behind the striker

They have lost 2 games in their last 18 and went on a winning run of 13 wins and 2 draws. Do you think maybe that has brought Farke a bit of time