Les-TA-Jon

I totally disagree with the idea of a replay. But to be fair to Klopp this Diaz offside incident is unprecedented. This wasn't simply a 'bad' or 'wrong' decision... It's not like the VAR saw footage that was clearly onside and then made a terrible decision to say it was offside. VAR made the correct decision to say it was onside, it's just that the combination of them thinking the onfield decision was also onside + poor communication, which resulted in a perfectly good goal being chalked off. Is there another example of a perfectly good goal being ruled out, based on procedure not decisions?

I mean, the opposition is always likely to get some chances. Conceding a non-zero amount of chances in a game is hardly a stick to beat Enzoball with...

It probably is, and probably should be, given we presided over the worst PL era relegation, and had finished top half in the PL for 5 years in a row...

He actually had a bit of a ‘row’ with Riccy P in the 2nd half when he failed to pick him out

I honestly don't see how he's anywhere near good enough technically, for either, especially at the price we'd ask for

Note that Coady tried that vertical pass into midfield (that Vestergaard does so successfully) in the first few minutes and executed poorly, leading to an early half-chance for PNE. Don't think Coady tried it again

Anyone who has claimed he doesn’t look interested this season needs to watch that 3rd goal vs Preston on repeat. The way he won the ball inside his own half, great bit of trickery, fantastic ball to find Albrighton and then absolutely pelted half the length of the pitch to get on that cross, and almost score…

Yeah I'm not saying I agree with the protocol. But as wrong as the protocol may be it's right that the ref's correctly followed it (i.e once the game restarted, they were powerless to give the goal) Also note, that Hooper and both teams didn't know about the gaffe until Half-Time, so he couldn't have even done what was suggested. It's not even within the laws of the game or the ref to suggest this either. Had either or both teams/managers been aware in the moments immediately after, then they could have come to an agreement themselves, but it'd be dodgy AF for the ref to lead that conversation himself.

That's not how the rules work. Giving refs the discretion to break the laws of the game, is a huge can of worms to open. No thanks.

Giving refs the discretion to break the laws of the game, is a huge can of worms to open. No thanks.

Reality is, it's very hard to unwind the clock - it's very unlikely we go back to zero VAR. It's here to stay, in one form or another. Obviously the current form has its problems. But also those other sports that do use VAR have been doing so for much longer. Given the increased level of subjectivities in football and the shorter lifespan of VAR implementation, is it any wonder they haven't got it right yet? Pre-VAR 'key match decisions' were correct 82% of the time. With VAR, that has risen to approx 94%. The key thing to determine is: does the benefit of that 12 percentage points increase, outweigh the costs? The only 'true' cost of VAR is the loss of fully spontaneous and joyous celebrations of goals, which to many, is the essence of the entire sport. But the problem here, is that there's a multitude of stakeholders with competing motivations and objectives, and I think that cost only really applies to one group... The PGMOL wants that number as high as possible, with as much help as possible from technology, as allowed by IFAB, and without undue undermining of on-field officials. The media must secretly (or not so secretly) love VAR. It drives clicks, views and controversy. It's another thing to analyse and adds to the sense of drama and theatre 'Non-legacy' fans, TV only viewers, tourists and neutrals probably also like it, or aren't strongly opposed to it, because for them the sport is an entertainment & media product to be consumed; it's not about specific clubs or players Clubs are seemingly largely in favour of VAR, as it on the whole gives them better/more correct decision and does remove the true 'howler' moments. With VAR there will never be another 'hand of god' or Henry palming it moment 'Legacy' fans - those in the ground or with a genuine attachment to their clubs wherever and however they watch generally do not like VAR, because of the 'cost' previously described So I just don't see where the groundswell of influence will come from to make any significant changes to it. Personally my implementation would be: Goal line tech Automated offsides VAR checks for goals, possible red cards, penalty incidents - but with a very high threshold for intervention

Ensuring that every single match has at least 8 VAR reviews sounds less than ideal to me. Decisions should be left to the refs, it should be yet another thing managers/players should be responsible for.

Exactly this. Can't believe how many people are advocating for "The refs at their own discretion should have the power to break the laws of the game" that is a huge can of worms to open. By all means, if the teams were more aware of this gaffe during the game, and on their own decided to let Liverpool kick it in, then fine. But the Ref can never be involved in that sort of thing.

To be fair, though this is the first mistake of this kind. Where it's totally about miscommunication and process rather than judgement. And, given the current protocols demonstrably allows such a thing to occur, it raises the question about, is the sport too vulnerable to mistakes like this in the future and have there historically been mistakes of this kind already?

Exactly! I'm not sure the claim stands up to any sort of actual data/analysis. Think it says more about the nervous disposition of fans in the stands than our actual play. And it's well worth the tradeoff, given we've become a great 'back to front' team, where a lot of our good moves/attacks start from Hermansen or Vestergaard

Struggling to remember chances that have come from it, let alone goals - other than Blackburn's?

Is that true? Or does the PL not just have more of ours and the media's attention? Can't say I follow the other leagues enough to know results, let alone the latest bad decision/VAR controversy

FFS, it should be illegal to advertise a job without salary information

Not managed to watch any of our games this season then?

FFS read the room. You're meant to have a meltdown, cook up narratives and make proclamations about the rest of the season without information.