Dan

This. You only have to see how many of our players leave and do well and interestingly, how many do this after making a quite slow start at their new club. It's true of Tielemans, Barnes, possibly add Hermansen in too.

We've caught these at a great time. It's going to be impossible to retain any faith if we don't win tomorrow.

Yep hadn't realised this. Bristol City Last 5 - 17th Last 10 - 17th Last 15 - 14th Last 20 - 16th QPR Last 5 - 22nd Last 10 - 19th Last 15 - 18th Last 20 - 14th Two extremely presentable fixtures. These will really reveal where we end up.

And released after, so point kind of proven.

Jury is still out. Two good results in Middlesbrough and Ipswich. Two bad ones in Stoke and Norwich. I just don't think anything has 'really' changed a great deal. We had games like yesterday under Cifuentes but it's not a surprise because we're playing a nearly identical team and formation. I can only really believe there's been an upturn after the next game. If we win that then there has been. If there hasn't then there hasn't. It's really pretty simple.

Massive opportunity. Their manager is supposedly making bizarre decisions to make a point to their board, and their form has gone right off the boil. Even despite this they aren't playing quite as badly as we are. But we've definitely caught them at a decent time. It just needs to be a win.

Pretty much exactly how I feel. I thought we'd draw - I can't really explain it with Ipswich but we don't seem to be a good match for them. They probably ought to have won but I struggle to have any sympathy on the penalties given they spent the game diving trying to win one. I just can't have a single bit of faith because I don't really see anything that hasn't been happening all season. I'll believe it when I see it with this team. We're guaranteed to concede, we're constantly losing 50/50s against basically everybody, we don't really create anything. We got a good result at Middlesbrough and followed it up with another 2/10 scandal performance. The Ipswich result is only any use if we back it up in the next two. I've no confidence whatsoever that we will.

I just can't fall for it. It makes sense in theory but this is a team that will reel you in with an OK result and then spit it back in your face with a total catastrophe in the next. I'll have to see it to believe it.

Mavididi.

Total waste of space as per.

Got the result to help Cov out the way as predicted. Now over to the result to screw ourselves. 1-2.

I feel exactly the same. It's like there's an internal policy to play 4-2-3-1. I don't have an obvious alternative but it's just crazy to me - nobody ever changes anything.

Eh?!

It's definitely too easy I agree. It's different now I have an actual good team but my first season up in this league was stupid, we were dominating most teams.

Them and Stoke = very similar. Both started well and both gone to pot. We failed to take advantage against Stoke. I have no faith whatsoever we'll beat Preston. None.

Will be sealed a good 2/3 weeks before Blackburn.

Baffling how TV don't want anything to do with us now. We're objectively hilarious viewing.

Assumed an 8th placed finish yet after 7 games had 1 point and the worst defence in history at that point of a season. And the manager kept his job. And they think that's a mitigating reason.

Said it years ago - they've got the worst traits of Arsenal and a fraction of the talent.

I've lucked it on timing really - can justify playing on the rest of this season but there really is nothing more to do with these. Have had good runs in all three European comps, won one league, two cups, won the super cup (finally). I'm going to win the league again this season and have basically made the cup final too. Got a cracking team and a tonne of money now but it's beyond being rewarding. Mountain climbed. The only thing I haven't done is won at flipping PAOK. I just cannot win at that ground.

It's piss poor in many ways. As ever the ME I thought was OK and fresh at first but it's gotten a bit repetitive and predictable. Some of the bugs are just so unacceptable - how they've still not sorted the jumbled subs is beyond me. I've given up on it from a neatness perspective. It's a shambles. But I'm done with this save. Mentally checked out. Nothing more I can really do with Kallithea and I'm due a new one, but I'll wait for the new squad update. God sod all on over the weekend so will probably finish this season.

I knew you'd be a fan of this as well. I posted exactly this in another thread.

Out and will never change.

If we do it's the same way Tottenham seem to only get good results which help Arsenal but back them up by losing to everyone else, giving themselves the worst case scenario. That's what we're doing with Coventry.

Perfect timing. I've won it all in Greece now and just been knocked out of the CL by Lyon in the last 24.