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Thank **** for that. Tens of millions of tax payer money we can save from a gimmicky policy that everyone on earth knew wasn’t even feasible

Still cannot get my head round how a Christian can vote for Reform. It’s like the most anti-Christian message imaginable, none of it is about helping the less well off, the sick or bringing people together. In fact it’s about privatising healthcare, and going after people because they were born in a different set of imaginary lines to you.

I’d much rather talk about going back and having a look at the other referendum tbh.

I agree that Labour and LibDem are probably closer together than Tories and Reform right now. I do wonder if one of the big stories is that LibDems have played this election really well actually. They’re back to their pre-2015 wipeout levels in terms of seats again and have made themselves look like they can win seats and are not just a wasted vote again. Feels like they’ve shaken off a lot of the tuition fees scarring. As Labour start canvassing the centre-right vote, I wonder if LibDems will pivot towards trying to catch the middle class, university educated left for the next election.

Personally I think the opposite of what’s said above and think way too many people vote for short-term National and local issues over the long-term global issues which are the actual profound issues that will affect how we, our children and grandchildren will all live. Climate change and population ageing will affect all of our, our children’s and grandchildren’s lives far more than debates about taxes and immigration.

Yeh exactly the 2 biggest issues of our time and the ones that should be debated endlessly by the parties and dominating any election right now are climate change and population ageing But apart from Reform claiming net zero is a scam in some small section in the middle of their manifesto that he barely got questioned on, neither topic ever got any discussion at all, it’s depressing.

You guys are overthinking it. Don’t worry. Leo Ulloa has nerves of steel, he’ll step up and slot the penalty home.

The danger would be 3rd behind Lib Dems which a couple of polls have predicted but seems very unlikely. Reform don’t have enough concentrated vote for it to translate into seats.

Talking of which

They’re not allowed to report things like that on polling day are they?

Surprised she believes in voting in her libertarian utopia. She barely believes in there being a place for government at all as the markets will solve everything.

I must’ve read wrong then. Frightening thought that she could become Tory leader tbh.

Badenoch is very likely to lose her seat I thought

100% agreed. Feel sorry for the Rory Stewart, Ruth Davidson and Anna Soubry moderate types who’ve had their party wrestled away from them by the right wing populists like Braverman, Patel and Rees-Mogg.

I think the make up of the Tory party after tonight is going to be one of the key things on the fallout tomorrow. Whether it’s the moderates or the right of the party left and which way they lurch. Part of my thinks their only real hope is to get into bed with Reform and move even further into right wing populism depressingly.

The laws are quite strict on what broadcasters and news websites can report on on polling day until the polls close and the exit poll comes out. So it’s usually just to give the news something to rapport on during polling day. I see little harm in it.

I’m the opposite. I considered Rishi more of a moderate before this campaign, but all he has done has lie lie lie about this £2,000 guff and constantly repeated it even after everyone knows it’s a lie. Then he’s just banged on about immigration and shown he just wants to cut taxes for the wealthy, tried to please the populist right and Johnson/Farage fans than the moderates, which after Farage came into the picture proved a bit of a disaster. I think he’s really had the most awful campaign, seen the final remaining moderate voters jump ship, set up the Tory party to lurch off to the right after the campaign and really blown any possible image that he had of being a reasonable moderate into becoming a hard right populist serial liar. Been massively not impressed by the direction he took this campaign and how he’s only caused more division within the Tory party.

I disagree. I think they’re the loudest voters and most vocal about who they’re voting for out there

I disagree tbh. I think people should have the right not to vote if they don’t feel informed enough. And tbh democracy only works properly if people are properly informed and understand at least roughly what they are voting for. Everyone should have the right to not feel like they have to get involved though. I would advise against voting just because you feel like you have to if you don’t feel informed enough.

If you said this about any other group you’d be getting a knock on your door from PREVENT. If this isn’t fascism I don’t know what is.

No.

What happens if Tories and LibDems get the same number of seats? I know it’s unlikely but hypothetically, who becomes the official opposition?

Have you read the article though? It praises Sunak and Farage and then says what’s wrong with Labour. It’s the most begrudging and bitter backing you’re ever likely to read. You can tell they really don’t want to back him but feel pressured by public opinion.

The thing that depresses me most is that Reform are polling higher than UKIP did in 2015. Basically proves how ridiculous Cameron’s gamble was. Brexit has happened and it hasn’t stemmed the right of the party at all, it only made them stronger.

King of agree. They really should’ve just gone all in and campaigned as the pro-EU and/or the “we actually do need to raise taxes to sort out public services” party tbh. Both were serious gaps in the campaign that needed filling and it also would’ve pushed Labour.