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He’s gone into full meltdown mode now, calling Boris a Green. Surely the venn diagram of people who support Farage and people who support Johnson is just a circle. Feel like he’s going after his own voters here.

It’s escalating.

Tbh. I give it a year until the Mail start ragging on Ukrainian refugees and showing sympathies towards Putin.

Love to see the Right eating itself. The two Kings of the populist right having petty arguments like school children on Twitter.

Ok back on topic. Can’t remember the last time the man was so clearly rattled. You love to see it.

Great video. To me the most salient point is that they had to work at it, chipping away over years and splitting up the electorate into smaller groups. Until what they first said that sounded ridiculous eventually punctuated the centrists and moderates enough to make a difference. That’s what I see with regards to Russia and Farage btw. He makes a dog whistling comment that he can get away with saying “oh it wasn’t me supporting Russia, just pointing something out”, and over time it starts getting chipped away at, until it becomes a much more common opinion in the population.

There is an old Dan Carlin podcast where he talks about a German teacher he had when he was a child showing him videos of Hitler’s rallies. He said he and his classmates could not understand why people voted for it and they even found it funny in a slapstick kind of way. He said his teacher said to him something along the lines of “it’s natural you don’t understand it because you’re American not German. This rhetoric and imagery was presented in a way that makes sense to everyday Germans, some of it was almost mundane. If evil like this ever comes to America, it won’t look like this, it will be a kind of imagery and rhetoric that will only make sense to everyday Americans.” Farage is an evil that comes from a place that is fundamentally British and playing the rogue and underdog cards often to the point of mundanity and that’s why so much of it seems trite or everyday or “just like the rest of them” and why so many British people can’t see or think he might be a bit of an idiot but he’s not really that extreme. But if you read his manifesto and look at the underlying things he actually says, he talks about creating a society that breaks international laws, that turns Britain into a pariah, the plays absolutely any international organisation as a bogeyman, that creates a culture of fear and loathing of people who are not from a type of traditional stereotype of Britishness, his economic policies involve pulling numbers from thin air that no credible moderate can ever compete or debate with, a foreign policy that has a frightening admiration of “strong leader” dictator types, pummelling people with anti-climate change crap that will affect the country for the next century. He’s not some “grifter” figure who “found his niche”, this guy somehow got the UK to leave the European Union ffs and has pretty much caused all moderate Tories to be purged from the party, and lurched the political centre of the country significantly to the right. Extremely hard right politicians like like Rees-Mogg, Patel, Braverman who’ve had their fingers in power are only in power because of his relentless media campaigns over 15 odd years now.

He’s not at all like “most of them”. That’s the exact kind of lazy “all politicians are the same” line that he plays into when building himself up as a “rogue” “anti-establishment” figure. He is the most frighteningly evil influence on UK politics for decades exactly because of statements like that.

Nigel Farage is a genuinely evil human being.

Agent Cooper for sure. Greatest tv show ever.

Probably quite an accurate summation of the Fermi Paradox and the Great Silence.

If people still aren’t convinced Reform are hard right conspiracy theory peddling nationalists using cuddlier language to appeal to centrists, and its apparently not on to call them fascists, they’re literally just using any old remotely international sounding organisation as a bogeyman now

I wish a party would just admit that we’re all going to have to pay more tax to fix the country’s shitshow of public services. The debate in the uk around tax is so ****ed up, politicians have been scared to talk about the benefits of taxation since Thatcher. Country needs a decent Social Democratic Party who are prepared to invest in infrastructure and public services for a few years. Labour are supposed to fulfill that role but seem to be bizarrely ashamed to talk about the need to raise tax despite that being their MO.

The polls show they are much most likely to be pensioners than young men.

The strong correlation of demographics by age continues, but the crossover point has shifted significantly.

It’s supply of what’s sold though more than a lack of housing. The biggest problem imo was in the 80s and 90s landlords buying out 4 or 5 houses each, turning them into houses of multiple occupancy and renting out each separate room so they have 5 incomes for one house and making a profit off the mortgage and living on that. If every couple or single person just owned 1 house or flat they’d be very few problems with the housing market imo.

On this note - I give it by tomorrow morning until Farage is calling the IFS woke leftists and has his voters eating out his hands over these tens of billions Reform have just invented. The fact Brexit happened, has been a disaster, people’s lives haven’t improved and have largely got worse and people are still willing to fall for his endless lies, made up statistics and blind calls for patriotism should tell you all you need to know. Need to give up the ghost on these people, you can’t reason with them.

I’m sorry but I hate this argument, it didn’t get their back ups even more, they weren’t listening to reasonable arguments so what could you do? As soon as you tried to have a genuine argument with them about the impacts of leaving the EU, you just got “project fear” and “you don’t back Britain” back. You can’t win with these people. You call a spade a spade and you get three word slogans and calls for blind patriotism back.

Nigel Farage pulls made up numbers out of thin air, who’d have thought it?

On this not I saw a 1 minute clip of Rishi Sunak at a building sure earlier and he used the word “clear” 5 times. It seems to be the Tories buzzword of the election.

She isn’t. Cameron parroted this exact line for all of Brown, Milliband and Corbyn. It’s a standard Tory line they’ve been trotting out for 14 years, it’s been used so often people are bored of it though.

It’s not that though (though I agree with your point It’s not the argument I’m making) they’re taking about leaving the European Court of Human Rights ffs? It’s more that it’s a comfort that people think things will never happen to them or their loved ones so are happy to give away powers that protect them because they’ve become so blasé about how hard fought these were and believe democracy and paid labour and genuinely just and fair courts of laws are and always will be without the checks and balances needed to hold them up. It’s not that the believe well “those people deserve it”, it’s more why they are selling away powers and laws for this which could be used by the politician you most hate in 20 years time when the public have all forgotten why they gave those laws, checks and balances away in the first place. The old ““I didn’t think the leopard would eat my face” says man who voted for leopard face-eating party” line is more accurate to what I’m getting at. Seeing clips of Farage’s manifesto launch, I just can’t wrap my head round it.

Why the **** would anyone genuinely vote to leave the European Court of Human Rights just so you can fly a few assylum seekers to Rwanda? It’s tukeys voting for Christmas because Christmas said he’d kick the parsnips off the dinner table. I understand we’re told we’re always supposed to not be in a bubble and genuinely listen to what the other side has to say but I just can’t get my head round something like this.

First they came for the EU workers, and I did not speak out - because we were taking back control. Then they came for all immigrants, and I did not speak out - because I was British born and raised. Then they came for the woke, and I did not speak out - because in my day we didn’t have that. Then they came for the climate change protesters - and I didn’t not speak out because net zero is all a scam and besides, I’ll be dead by then. Then they came for the Muslims - and I did not speak out because I am not a Muslim Then they came for me - and I did not speak out, because Nigel always says it like is and speaks for me.