Foxes_Trust Posted 8 October 2005 Posted 8 October 2005 I know one thing that would get the fans going is a screen that plays clips from the past...like Claridges goal in the play off final etc. Or play clips of the good times...it will get the fans going. I know its not great to dwell in the past etc but it would get me a little fired up before a game. Too costly for that to happen
Hitesh Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 Too costly for that to happen True, but in the long run if it worked, the cost would pay off. Its a long shot for sure but i dont like the way that you have dismissed the idea straight away. Maybe a company would be willing to sponsor the idea or even look at similar ideas and see what the fans think!? Some research would be good but let me guess, that would be expensive!
Jay Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 I am pretty sure it costs something pretty close to £1million for 2 big screens!! would rather them give the money to CL to be fair we should have done a deal with LG when they sponsored us
Hitesh Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 I am pretty sure it costs something pretty close to £1million for 2 big screens!!would rather them give the money to CL to be fair we should have done a deal with LG when they sponsored us Ok. but how about taking my suggestion and trying to have something similar. There are loads of TV's in the concourse area...so why dont they have it playing on those screens????
lush Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 Have to say, I'd rather have Lisa there than you. They`d rather have Lisa, because i wouldnt take any rubbish from them, and i wouldnt pander to them, and i wouldnt suggest a disrespectfull members sceme to STH`s, because the club (like whats happened) have forwarded all blame to Lisa. I doubt ANY fans forum will make ANy real difference, because they dont work for the club, simple as. Even if you come up with an idea, they`d only use it if it made them look good, and deep down, we all know that.
Guest Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 They`d rather have Lisa, because i wouldnt take any rubbish from them, and i wouldnt pander to them, and i wouldnt suggest a disrespectfull members sceme to STH`s, because the club (like whats happened) have forwarded all blame to Lisa. I doubt ANY fans forum will make ANy real difference, because they dont work for the club, simple as. Even if you come up with an idea, they`d only use it if it made them look good, and deep down, we all know that. Dear oh dear, get your facts right first honey.
Foxes_Trust Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 I am pretty sure it costs something pretty close to £1million for 2 big screens!! would rather them give the money to CL to be fair we should have done a deal with LG when they sponsored us When we spoke to the club about this one (about 2 years ago), we were told the price of one screen was about £700,000. Take into account inflation on the one hand & reducing price of technology on the other & can't imagine its far away from that figure. The crowd noise is more likely to increase if the side improves following signing a £700k player, rather than watching archive footage. So let's say one screen = no Iain Hume for instance
Foxes_Trust Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 They`d rather have Lisa, because i wouldnt take any rubbish from them, and i wouldnt pander to them, and i wouldnt suggest a disrespectfull members sceme to STH`s, because the club (like whats happened) have forwarded all blame to Lisa. I doubt ANY fans forum will make ANy real difference, because they dont work for the club, simple as. Even if you come up with an idea, they`d only use it if it made them look good, and deep down, we all know that. Lush - don't understand your attitude towards Lisa & fan consultation in general. Firstly having observed Lisa in meetings, she is very capable of standing up and giving her opinion regardless of what the club thinks. However like the Trust she offers a balanced view rather than slag off the club over every item. You don't have to work for the club to influence - the club listens more now than ever before & is acting upon suggestions of the Trust & FCC members.
lush Posted 9 October 2005 Posted 9 October 2005 What facts didnt i observe Lisa? Im glad Lisa is able to give her opinion regardless of what the club thinks FT, can you explain the best example of that? She wouldnt be a speaker if she slagged them off at every item, what is your point? Yes they act on little suggestions to keep you happy (which doesnt seem too difficult). What REAL difference has a fans forum ever made at lcfc? Ive asked this on numerous times now, wheres the answer??????
Guest Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 What facts didnt i observe Lisa? Im glad Lisa is able to give her opinion regardless of what the club thinks FT, can you explain the best example of that? She wouldnt be a speaker if she slagged them off at every item, what is your point? Yes they act on little suggestions to keep you happy (which doesnt seem too difficult). What REAL difference has a fans forum ever made at lcfc? Ive asked this on numerous times now, wheres the answer?????? You are obsessed with this notion that incentives designed to encourage members to actually come to games is taking the piss out of ST holders. As I have pointed out to you in numerous PM's, ST holders over the course of the season pay less than members on a match by match basis. I don't see what it is you are expecting the FCC to achieve. Perhaps you should detail for the benefit of myself and other readers what you think the role of the Fans Consultative Committee is.
Rincewind Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 If anyone does not think the present panel are doing a good job then I suggest that they apply to go on it themselves. How many of those that complain actually turn up at club/fans meetings or send in questions or suggestions to the panel to put to the club? As Lisa says the safety issue is in the hands of the SAG and police. The music issue is an individual opinion and if only a handful object to way it's done out of 20,000 then the club will assume that the rest of the crowd have no complaints. Well done Lisa keep up the good work. There are people out here that appreciate the time and effort you are putting in on behalf of the rest of the City supporters.
lush Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 You are obsessed with this notion that incentives designed to encourage members to actually come to games is taking the piss out of ST holders. As I have pointed out to you in numerous PM's, ST holders over the course of the season pay less than members on a match by match basis. I don't see what it is you are expecting the FCC to achieve. Perhaps you should detail for the benefit of myself and other readers what you think the role of the Fans Consultative Committee is. Not obsessed, more like i keep having to ask the question, because your hiding from answering it... Your talking like a typical politician. Be brave and tell everyone if the club would allow (from your scheme) members to watch a certain amount of games (lets say 3) for less than the equivalent of a STH? And dont mention the whole season, i know that already... I dont know your complete policy Lisa, what i believe is that the football club (or any business for that matter) wouldnt allow its customers to do their job (meaning, why would that business need to employ someone to make decisions). I feel sorry for yus, the employees at the club i feel are using you to make themselves look good. They know full well that theres financial anger amongst football fans, and they need to be looking as if their "listening", you just happen to be the guys that are the go-between. What is the point of paying someone to make hard decisions (or even small ones), might aswell employ you.
Foxes_Trust Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Not obsessed, more like i keep having to ask the question, because your hiding from answering it... Your talking like a typical politician. Be brave and tell everyone if the club would allow (from your scheme) members to watch a certain amount of games (lets say 3) for less than the equivalent of a STH? And dont mention the whole season, i know that already... I dont know your complete policy Lisa, what i believe is that the football club (or any business for that matter) wouldnt allow its customers to do their job (meaning, why would that business need to employ someone to make decisions). I feel sorry for yus, the employees at the club i feel are using you to make themselves look good. They know full well that theres financial anger amongst football fans, and they need to be looking as if their "listening", you just happen to be the guys that are the go-between. What is the point of paying someone to make hard decisions (or even small ones), might aswell employ you. Well the cheapest ST (ignoring concessions) works out at £13 per game. So far the club have had a single £5 night for members (with no indication this will be repeated). So if we base the other 2 cheapest games on a Fans Fixture with a members £2 discount and add the membership fee you get £5+£13+£13+£15 = £46 - average of £15.33 per game, so the ST gets a £2.33 saving. And that example is fairly untypical as the majority of games will be B grade - hence £17 to members if the club gives a £5 members discount (which again isn't always the case). If you compare to 10 years ago, the level of savings to ST's in percentage terms has leapt massively. The Trust fully supports the introduction of the membership scheme, as it offers advantages to the next level of 'loyal (for want of a better word) supporters after ST's above the occasional fan who turns up once a season.
Guest Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Not obsessed, more like i keep having to ask the question, because your hiding from answering it... Your talking like a typical politician. Be brave and tell everyone if the club would allow (from your scheme) members to watch a certain amount of games (lets say 3) for less than the equivalent of a STH? And dont mention the whole season, i know that already... And I keep asking why does it bother you? You are talking about people who cherry pick their games. If the offers weren't there, these people wouldn't be either. How would you go about getting their bums on our seats? I'm not hiding from anything, anyone can work out that if someone who'd joined the member's scheme then only game to one game which cost a fiver, s/he would pay less than ST holders. The chances of this happening aren't realistically high, as I would guess people only buy a members card if they were going to go to games anyway. The idea of offering discounted prices is to get more of those going to the games that they might not have considered going to in the first place ie. Brighton on a Tuesday night. I dont know your complete policy Lisa, what i believe is that the football club (or any business for that matter) wouldnt allow its customers to do their job (meaning, why would that business need to employ someone to make decisions). I feel sorry for yus, the employees at the club i feel are using you to make themselves look good. They know full well that theres financial anger amongst football fans, and they need to be looking as if their "listening", you just happen to be the guys that are the go-between. What is the point of paying someone to make hard decisions (or even small ones), might aswell employ you. Any good supplier will regularly canvas it's customers on how it is performing. This is not unusual in business. The fact that football clubs want to involve the fans in its decision making process is good, no matter what the involvement is. I don't think you understand what our role is, and what powers we do have. We aren't there to sanction funds for transfers. We're not involved in deciding if a huge corporate event is to take place at the WS. We are there to give opinion and where possible recommend in areas that directly affect the fans. Such as L1, or the fact that the company running the kiosks are shocking. Unless you're prepared to invest enough cold hard cash into the club, then you won't get to say how the club is run at its highest level.
Foxes_Trust Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Not obsessed, more like i keep having to ask the question, because your hiding from answering it... Your talking like a typical politician. Be brave and tell everyone if the club would allow (from your scheme) members to watch a certain amount of games (lets say 3) for less than the equivalent of a STH? And dont mention the whole season, i know that already... I dont know your complete policy Lisa, what i believe is that the football club (or any business for that matter) wouldnt allow its customers to do their job (meaning, why would that business need to employ someone to make decisions). I feel sorry for yus, the employees at the club i feel are using you to make themselves look good. They know full well that theres financial anger amongst football fans, and they need to be looking as if their "listening", you just happen to be the guys that are the go-between. What is the point of paying someone to make hard decisions (or even small ones), might aswell employ you. Any good business listens to their customers & if they don't react to what they are saying, their business will suffer. Football clubs are more fortunate, as fans hearts won't swap loyalities as quickly as swapping from Tesco to Asda etc. However if the customers aren't satisified, where as they can't live without food, they can football & that's why attendances are falling. Our club is taking the art of listening far more seriously than many others. That's why the Trust has dialogue with the club on a weekly basis. As well as the FCC, we often get calls for a quick opinion on a variety of topics.
lush Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 FT, will it be possible for a member to get a better deal than a STH? If we continue to struggle (HOPE WE DONT), then the club might produce cheap tickets for members to help fill the ground??? Is their a cast iron gaurentee that this will not happen? Lisa, why dont you answer the question with an answer, and not a question? Are you telling us you dont know the complete policy behind your OWN scheme? "Such as the fact that the company running the kiosks are shocking." We need a fans forum to explain the kiosks are shocking, no wonder were struggling. How about you TELL the club to get its arse into gear and stop wasting your time telling them how to run a burger bar, HELP!!! Did you get paid for doing their job btw... Whats the biggest thing any city forum has made to the policy of the club?
Rincewind Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Ask Lush to go on the panel or join the FT Committee. He'd sure to get things done. It would be fun to be an observer anyway.
lush Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 ken, is all your good for, taking the piss...they wouldnt have me cos i`d expose them. Lisa/FT, next time you propose a suggestion to our club, let everyone know here, and we can discuss it before you go to the club?
Guest Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Lisa, why dont you answer the question with an answer, and not a question? Are you telling us you dont know the complete policy behind your OWN scheme? "Such as the fact that the company running the kiosks are shocking." We need a fans forum to explain the kiosks are shocking, no wonder were struggling. How about you TELL the club to get its arse into gear and stop wasting your time telling them how to run a burger bar, HELP!!! Did you get paid for doing their job btw... Whats the biggest thing any city forum has made to the policy of the club? I think you'll find I have answered your question. I have asked you questions because, omniscient being that you are, obviously have a much better idea as to how to get bums on seats than any of us mere mortals who are obviously wasting our time and energy on a committee that quite clearly isn't working. I shall ask again. How would you attract fans to games? What exactly do you want to see the FCC doing?
lush Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 I think you'll find I have answered your question. I have asked you questions because, omniscient being that you are, obviously have a much better idea as to how to get bums on seats than any of us mere mortals who are obviously wasting our time and energy on a committee that quite clearly isn't working. I shall ask again. How would you attract fans to games? What exactly do you want to see the FCC doing? You havnt answerd us. What is the complete policy of YOUR members scheme? There are millions of people living in and around Leicestershire that includes Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire and Rugby etc, where football is not a big attraction. IF the people at lcfc were good enough, they could attract 32,000 people from those millions, they are not reaching out to enough people in their own city, never mind elsewhere. There are several ways you can attract these people, my favourite is to employ a manager that plays a style of football that attracts neuturals, i.e positive play (keegan style if you like, or CL + attacking football). If people thought they`d be goals/attacking football, they`d turn up, somewhat regardless of what team it is, the premiership proves that. They`ll also turn up (amazingly) if they know they`ll be an atmosphere, if they think 28,000/32,000 will be there. People shun away from the blackpool game for that very reason. Im not saying gun hoe and sod the consequences football, but we (die hards) moan, so what about the other ten thousand, they must laugh at us. I would like to see the FCC realise its potential, and not "make out" its got a foot in the door at city. Like you just said, you need hard cash for that. I`d like to see the FCC ask hard hitting questions because they care, and if that means the club dont like you, tuff. What matters is that the fans (who you talk onbehalf) arnt fed half truths and "nearly schemes". For instance, ask whos responsible at the club, for the "shocking" kiosk running, and then ask what punishment that person(s) recieved, then come here and tell us, and we can decide whether its justifiable or not? IF the club seriously wana listen to us, then they`ll have no problem with that.
Guest Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 You havnt answerd us. What is the complete policy of YOUR members scheme? There are millions of people living in and around Leicestershire that includes Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire and Rugby etc, where football is not a big attraction. IF the people at lcfc were good enough, they could attract 32,000 people from those millions, they are not reaching out to enough people in their own city, never mind elsewhere. There are several ways you can attract these people, my favourite is to employ a manager that plays a style of football that attracts neuturals, i.e positive play (keegan style if you like, or CL + attacking football). If people thought they`d be goals/attacking football, they`d turn up, somewhat regardless of what team it is, the premiership proves that. They`ll also turn up (amazingly) if they know they`ll be an atmosphere, if they think 28,000/32,000 will be there. People shun away from the blackpool game for that very reason. Im not saying gun hoe and sod the consequences football, but we (die hards) moan, so what about the other ten thousand, they must laugh at us. Wouldn't we all, and we have said that falling attendances is down to results and poor football. However, CL doesn't attend these meetings, and we aren't able to dictate to him what he does with his squad. I would like to see the FCC realise its potential, and not "make out" its got a foot in the door at city. Like you just said, you need hard cash for that. I`d like to see the FCC ask hard hitting questions because they care, and if that means the club dont like you, tuff. What matters is that the fans (who you talk onbehalf) arnt fed half truths and "nearly schemes". For instance, ask whos responsible at the club, for the "shocking" kiosk running, and then ask what punishment that person(s) recieved, then come here and tell us, and we can decide whether its justifiable or not? IF the club seriously wana listen to us, then they`ll have no problem with that. We already know who is responsible for catering. It's been mentioned on other threads on here. As you don't go to these meetings, you don't know what questions have been answered, and in what manner. I, for one, will not post on here or any other forum "I told the club that they sort the kiosks out or else I expect heads to roll". For one thing, it would make me look a stupid. I will report back what was asked and what the answer/outcome is. Surely that is more important than how those answers are obtained. As for disciplinary action, I would be disappointed in any employer made any discplinary action public knowledge unless it was for an act which could be termed criminal, or was gross misconduct.
lush Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Wouldn't we all, and we have said that falling attendances is down to results and poor football. However, CL doesn't attend these meetings, and we aren't able to dictate to him what he does with his squad. We already know who is responsible for catering. It's been mentioned on other threads on here. As you don't go to these meetings, you don't know what questions have been answered, and in what manner. I, for one, will not post on here or any other forum "I told the club that they sort the kiosks out or else I expect heads to roll". For one thing, it would make me look a stupid. I will report back what was asked and what the answer/outcome is. Surely that is more important than how those answers are obtained. As for disciplinary action, I would be disappointed in any employer made any discplinary action public knowledge unless it was for an act which could be termed criminal, or was gross misconduct. Why wont you answer the policy question of your members scheme? Scared, dont know it? What kind of forum leader are you? I didnt ask you to dictate to CL about his policy you`d be shown the door quicker than quick. Who at the club is responsible for the shocking catering? I never asked you to say heads will "roll", just that we find out whos fault it is, and deal with the disciplinery actions thereafter. The club want us through you, to make the club better run, lets do so then. Or will we be assured the person(s) to blame will be dealt with?
Ric Flair Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Old Mother Teresa Lush is laying the smackdown!! It's brilliant to see the man at work. it's vintage at the minute. How angry are you today Lush? Get beered up and smash up the bathroom.
Katy Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Hmm im thinking we put Lisa and lush in a room and let them thrash it out as every fecking thread on this forum (not literally ) turns into a performance involving lush and A.N Other. Lisa would have you for breakfast lush if you did but know it
Ric Flair Posted 10 October 2005 Posted 10 October 2005 Hmm im thinking we put Lisa and lush in a room and let them thrash it out as every fecking thread on this forum (not literally ) turns into a performance involving lush and A.N Other. Lisa would have you for breakfast lush if you did but know it I find Lush hilarious at the minute. I imagine his face is permanently red, an angry chap. I presume he is a he and not a bird?
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