Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Well there's certainly anti English/British recruitment going on by top clubs. This was proved when a young lad with a very English name applied to several clubs for a trial and got no replies. He repeated the process later on with a spanish version of his name and got several invites for trials. Racism - who knows, Favouritism - certainly, Intentional - who knows. But is does happen just like it does in all areas of recruitment, just ask Patricia Hewitt Several years ago Leicester City Council were had up for exactly the same thing on numerous occasions!
CasinoGee Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 You get loads of racist attacks on whites (on girls as well) although the Police and other authorities seem reluctant to release actual figures. And now I've said that I suppose you'll call me racist which is a convenient and much practiced way of stiffling debate on a subject. Furthermore white people do not make up the majority in many parts of our major cities. You really are so blinkered, or, perhaps worse, so utterly biased that you can't or won't see what is perfectly obvious. A bit like Diane Abbott really. If there's a policeman on this forum why not release some actual figures for us. Let's have some facts to assist the truth, even accepting they are likely to be diluted to some extent. Sorry, I forgot I had to agree with everything you say or else get called blinkered and biased.By the way, what proof do you have that you get loads of racists attacks on whites in this country, have you got eyes everywhere? People need to stop thinking the worst of every situation, they need to stop jumping to conclusions of over the top use of PC. There was a report about a production of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (sp?) where they couldn't use the word "dwarf". That's obvious over the top political correctness, yet I don't see people making topics on that. Hmm, I wonder why... it couldn't possibly be that because it's got nothing to do with race, people can't go trying to brainwash everyone into thinking that people of ethnic minorities are over protected by political correctness, could it? *not directed Thracian*
Rincewind Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 In some ways I'd rather the ethnic populous be over-protected than under -protected. The more happy they are the less they have to complain about. Now all we have to do is get the balance right. I have no problems in treating all people equally. If this had always been done by the people of this country we would not be having this discussion. There was a time when landlords used to have signs in their windows 'No dogs' and underneath 'No Blacks' Thankfully this practice has been stopped. Does anyone want to go back to those days?
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 All the club is doing is trying to stamp out racism from the game. There is no racism against whites in football. Does this mean that racism against ethnic minorities can't be dealt with until there is, just make it "fair"? How do you expect to deal with the disparity in society if you can't sort your own back yard out, so's to speak? Because the powers that be are supposedly trying to promote an inclusive attitude (except, as usual, some are more included than others). That's why so many films, television adverts, soap operas all include an ethnic mix now - even if it would be highy unlikely (sometimes) in reality. I would agree that there is little or no visual racism against whites in football but it certainly exists elsewhere and with the huge influx of non-whites into football there is no certainly that it will always remain so in football or, indeed, that there isn't any racial undertones against whites in clubs where ethnic minorities are strongly represented. To be quite honest, watching the reserves/academy sides in particular, I've been heartened by the way all colours/races mix - not only when they are being supervised but even if non-players are sitting having something to eat in the stand or just a mess about with the ball. There are no noticable signs of ethnic cliques but nor do we want them. Hence my belief that the club should recognise that all racism is out of order and seek to show it in their campaigning.
lush Posted 17 October 2005 Author Posted 17 October 2005 Believe me there is a huge amount of racism against whites in this country both on the streets and in the corridors of power. Lee Pygott was walking home after visiting a friend when he was jumped from behind in High Street, Heckmondwike.
Guest Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 You know that for a fact do you? Let me tell ya now, if you're playing a team from an etnhic background, they give twice as much as they get, it's all banter at the end of the day they know that so try to wind us up the best they can, then it's all in the bar later for a pint, no ones died or been taken to Hospital. Storm in a Teacup this Racism in Football Bollox I haven't said that there is no racism against whites. Perhaps you would be surprised to know that I was actually a victim of racist harrassment myself. Apart from the anti-English crap from Cardiff fans, I've never seen any racist behaviour directed towards a white player or fan. I'm not talking about sunday league, I'm talking about the professional game, that's all City are aiming their campaign at. Perhaps it would surprise you even more to know I know a group of lads who were convicted of racially aggrevated assault on an asian football team? A certain someone has taken a focused project, aimed at a specific group of people in a prescribed environment, and turned it into a thread that will end up denegrating into a load of viscious twaddle that is borderline incitement to racial hatred. Whatever problems there are in society, and there are many from both sides of the coin, unless people are prepared to address the ones in their own back yard, then nothing will get done.
Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Lee Pygott was walking home after visiting a friend when he was jumped from behind in High Street, Heckmondwike. Now if that had been 3 White boys beating an Asian boy up, it would have been a Racist attack, how come this isn't?
Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 I haven't said that there is no racism against whites. Perhaps you would be surprised to know that I was actually a victim of racist harrassment myself. Apart from the anti-English crap from Cardiff fans, I've never seen any racist behaviour directed towards a white player or fan. I'm not talking about sunday league, I'm talking about the professional game, that's all City are aiming their campaign at. Perhaps it would surprise you even more to know I know a group of lads who were convicted of racially aggrevated assault on an asian football team? A certain someone has taken a focused project, aimed at a specific group of people in a prescribed environment, and turned it into a thread that will end up denegrating into a load of viscious twaddle that is borderline incitement to racial hatred. Whatever problems there are in society, and there are many from both sides of the coin, unless people are prepared to address the ones in their own back yard, then nothing will get done. It's all about us all having to pay lip service to all these bloody anti whatever organisations, after a while you just get fed up with it. These organisation stir up most of the trouble. It is racism after all that keeps them in a job!
lush Posted 17 October 2005 Author Posted 17 October 2005 Perhaps you would be surprised to know that I was actually a victim of racist harrassment myself. Apart from the anti-English crap from Cardiff fans, I've never seen any racist behaviour directed towards a white player or fan. I'm not talking about sunday league, I'm talking about the professional game, that's all City are aiming their campaign at. Perhaps it would surprise you even more to know I know a group of lads who were convicted of racially aggrevated assault on an asian football team? A certain someone has taken a focused project, aimed at a specific group of people in a prescribed environment, and turned it into a thread that will end up denegrating into a load of viscious twaddle that is borderline incitement to racial hatred. Whatever problems there are in society, and there are many from both sides of the coin, unless people are prepared to address the ones in their own back yard, then nothing will get done. Can you describe that harrasment Lisa? White tottenham fans get the gas hissing. Can you explain the conviction? Lisa, can you back up that statement, that ive "aimed at a specific group of people"? "racial hatred"? Should we NEVER discuss A, race in our society? and B, what OUR clubs policy on life is? Isnt your last point a contradiction of the previos one...
CasinoGee Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Lee Pygott was walking home after visiting a friend when he was jumped from behind in High Street, Heckmondwike. Oh my god! Kick all Asians out of this country now!!!!!!
CasinoGee Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Now if that had been 3 White boys beating an Asian boy up, it would have been a Racist attack, how come this isn't? Would it? The police don't just decided if an attack's racially motivated because of the colours of people's skin, they do a fair bit of work to try and find out.
Rincewind Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 There are people such as lawyers who will bring evidence for or against an attack being racial. Before it even goes to court the police have to be sure of what type of attack it is or the accused will get away with it all together. Now nobody wants that do they?
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Would it? The police don't just decided if an attack's racially motivated because of the colours of people's skin, they do a fair bit of work to try and find out. I reckon you see just what you want to see. The Police are politicals now. You don't get into the Police unless you fit the political requirements. It isn't being accused of being unfair to whites that bothers em... otherwise people could happily fly their Union Jacks.
Guest Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Can you describe that harrasment Lisa? I'd rather not, as it brings back bad memories. Just let it be said that an 8/9 year old white girl had around 6 months of racist (and sexist) abuse from a group of 14-16 year old boys from a different racial group. White tottenham fans get the gas hissing. Not when I've been in White Hart Lane. Can you explain the conviction? Yes, but it would take up a lot of time, which I don't have. Lisa, can you back up that statement, that ive "aimed at a specific group of people"? "racial hatred"? Should we NEVER discuss A, race in our society? and B, what OUR clubs policy on life is? Did I mention names? You have failed to read my comment properly. Perhaps I should put it simpler. Focused project=kicking racism out of football Specific people=football fans. Prescribed environment=football match. My point is, which seems to be missed, is that a scheme aimed at eradicating racism from professional football is now responsible for every single act of so-called positive discrimination. It's been blown out of proportion. Again. Isnt your last point a contradiction of the previos one... No, it's not.
Rincewind Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 They have Union Jacks flying in The Old Horse on London Road and nobody has complained as far as I know.
CasinoGee Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 The fact that anyone can bring up an against any aspect of "Kicking Racism Out Of Football" is pretty wrong if you ask me.
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 They have Union Jacks flying in The Old Horse on London Road and nobody has complained as far as I know. Someone had better watch out if they do.
Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Would it? The police don't just decided if an attack's racially motivated because of the colours of people's skin, they do a fair bit of work to try and find out. Take the blinkers off mate, yer living in Cloud Cuckoo land. A White on Black attack is almost always regarded as a racially motivated attack, not so the other way round!
CasinoGee Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Take the blinkers off mate, yer living in Cloud Cuckoo land. A White on Black attack is almost always regarded as a racially motivated attack, not so the other way round! Sweet jesus. How the fvck would you know?! Do you work for the police force?! All I know is that the police generally get things right, and if it ends up seeming like white people do more racist attacks, then maybe that's the way it is. I know that seems naive, but you can't make all these "allegations" when you've got no solid grounds for them.
Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Sweet jesus. How the fvck would you know?! Do you work for the police force?! All I know is that the police generally get things right, and if it ends up seeming like white people do more racist attacks, then maybe that's the way it is. I know that seems naive, but you can't make all these "allegations" when you've got no solid grounds for them. Oh thats alright then, they generally get things right. Tell that to the guy who was shot on the tube last month, oh ya can't can ya he's dead!! Generally just isn't good enough is it?
Anish Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Another thread by lush descends into chaos. Now there's a surprise.
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Sweet jesus. How the fvck would you know?! Do you work for the police force?! All I know is that the police generally get things right, and if it ends up seeming like white people do more racist attacks, then maybe that's the way it is. I know that seems naive, but you can't make all these "allegations" when you've got no solid grounds for them. Oh yes. You want ask some Brazilian mother about that, god knows how many dead and injured pedestrians and so much more I could irritate you all night with. The point is you're blinkered. You've got more bias than Crown Green bowls. PS: sorry my reference to the police shooting clashed with the one above. It somehow emphasises the point though about police being always right.
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 The fact that anyone can bring up an against any aspect of "Kicking Racism Out Of Football" is pretty wrong if you ask me. Are there any other subjects you don't fancy debating?
Gamesmaster Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Take the blinkers off mate, yer living in Cloud Cuckoo land. his mate is swissfox you know casinogee has a point especially when you consider the police have racists within, and its not fair to accuse our club of racism this topic isnt chaos anish, its a raving larfffff apart from the picture, that is
Rincewind Posted 18 October 2005 Posted 18 October 2005 I would have thought everybody would agree that we should kick Racism Out Of Football.
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