Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Sometimes people confuse racism with prejudice and stereotyping. Our prejudices are often based on our personal experiences which then leads to stereotyping. It may seem OK and harmless to select a group for a bit of 'baiting' at football grounds but to those on the receiving end it becomes tiresome as they have encountered it many times before. The reason why people of other ethnic groups are being encouraged to join the police is because of the attitude of the white majority police officers. Some sections of the ethnic population are losing faith with the police because of this and are less willing to help. This is perceived as non co-operation and so the circle continues. The campaign is mainly to stamp out what goes on inside a football ground when the chants are aimed at a specific group. If we stop this then it goes some way to solving the problem. What goes on outside the ground is an entirely different issue which is for society to resolve starting from the home through to the schools and to the workplace. I don't have a problem with people having prejudices, i do have a problem when they start acting on them prejudices. Not enough is being done to stop these chants, people who complain are ignored, shouldn't the campaign be targeted at the Police, shouldn't the fan's say enough is enough we want action not words.
Babylon Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 you keep on harping on I think you should get your bleeding facts right first mate. I'd like you to point out where exactly I have been harping on. I mentioned one thing and that was newspaper reporting. Allan is right.... you talk a load of complete bollocks. I suggest you go on your port vale sites and talk shit instead of here.
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 You don't half talk some bollox Sorry, I forgot that India and Pakistan et al just gave us all their natural resources so that we could become a prosperous country and they'd just be fvcked for the next few centuries (maybe forever). If you haven't got anything remotely useful to say, don't bother, there's no point in just dismissing people's ideas as bollox. Maybe you just haven't got an argument to come back with.
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Sorry, I forgot that India and Pakistan et al just gave us all their natural resources so that we could become a prosperous country and they'd just be fvcked for the next few centuries (maybe forever). If you haven't got anything remotely useful to say, don't bother, there's no point in just dismissing people's ideas as bollox. Maybe you just haven't got an argument to come back with. The main natural resources of India are iron ore, bauxite, and copper ore. India is one of the major producers of iron in the world. Iron ore is found all over India, the major contributers being the states of Bihar and Orissa. A quarter of all mining is carried out in the southern part of Orissa. Gold, silver, and diamonds make up a small part of other natural resources available in India. The gemstones are found in Rajasthan. Major portion of the energy in India is generated from coal. It is estimated that India has around 120 billion tons of coal in reserve, enough to last for around 120 years. Huge reserves of petroleum have been found off the coast of Maharashtra and Gujarat. Dont look too fvcked to me! Please dont use your misapprehensions of a country/region as the basis for your argument, use facts!
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Sorry, I also forgot that the Indians are lazy and are in the state they're in not because we fvcked them around, but because they just can't be arsed to do any work! I mean, they have all these resources, like you said, yet 250 million Indians live in poverty! There can't be any other reason for it, we sure didn't do them any harm, they're just lazy as hell. Damn, us Angles really are a superior race!
Thracian Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Because everyone is treated as equally as possible in the current climite. Unfortunately some people who look vaguely arabic will be treated differently on the London Underground and other places. Yet even though there's no real difference in how all people are treated, you keep on harping on about how we're not treated equally. When did I say that other races should be treated better than white people? I was saying that as soon as non whites get a bit of leeway people start masterbating over it like a furious monkey, as if it makes any real difference. It's all one big balancing act and we're not going to get it right all the time. We can't complain about having loads of non whites in England, our ancestors raped their ancestor's land (and their people). That's the only reason that England is as well off as it is. But now we have no empire, we're just a small island yet everyone seems to have this sense of superiority. If you want to go work somewhere abroad, you bloody well expect to be allowed there, yet if someone wants to work here and has different coloured skin (no one complains about Americans, the largest inhabitant of this country from a different nation, or Australians etc...) they get persucuted. You really have got the most selective memory I think I've ever come across... and much of what you say just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. All sorts of people from the Romans through the Vikings and onto the Norman have raided and ravished this country. There's probably not a thoroughbred Englishman in existence. Doesn't give me a chip on my shoulder over Italians or Danes or Norwegians. Before you spout your warped viewpoint why not simply ask yourself. Am I being fair? Is this the only way of looking at it? My son is engaged to an American and wants to live there. Not easy at all, not in reality. I think Allen has a good point. If non-Caucasian residents stopped whinging, stopped playing the victim and got on with just being people among other people they would soon find themselves treated with respect. As a white person it is not a foregone conclusion that you get respect, from fellow whites or anyone else. Respect is earned. People can pretend tolerance but they won't pretend respect. That is earned by YOUR attitude. Colour doesn't come into it. Apart from sport, take music and acting for instance. There are stacks of really popular black actors and musicians... and they are popular across the ethnic spectrum. Why. Because people respect their talent!
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Sorry, I also forgot that the Indians are lazy and are in the state they're in not because we fvcked them around, but because they just can't be arsed to do any work! I mean, they have all these resources, like you said, yet 250 million Indians live in poverty! There can't be any other reason for it, we sure didn't do them any harm, they're just lazy as hell. Damn, us Angles really are a superior race! Do they teach you anything in School. I've been to India and yes there is poverty, but India is not by a long way a poor country, in fact it has twice as much spending power as the UK, It is probably one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest countries in the world. Use facts please not your very narrow minded apprehensions. And you think i'm prejudiced :laugh:
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 All sorts of people from the Romans through the Vikings and onto the Norman have raided and ravished this country.The Romans did a lot of good for most of Europe, and the bad things they did were only temporary due to the lack of technology at the time. There's probably not a thoroughbred Englishman in existence. Sweet lord no! What a shame!If non-Caucasian residents stopped whinging, stopped playing the victim and got on with just being people among other people they would soon find themselves treated with respect.That's a pretty dodgy remark. Verging on racist some might say. Are you saying that if you were in their postition you'd be all virtuous and get on with things? (Not that our non white friends are actually always whinging as you say they are).As a white person it is not a foregone conclusion that you get respect, from fellow whites or anyone else. Respect is earned. People can pretend tolerance but they won't pretend respect. That is earned by YOUR attitude. Colour doesn't come into it. What's your point?Apart from sport, take music and acting for instance. There are stacks of really popular black actors and musicians... and they are popular across the ethnic spectrum. Why. Because people respect they talent! Yes...?
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 India has twice as much spending power as the UKDid it ever occur to you that India is slightly bigger than England and has slightly more people in it? Maybe, just maybe that might just about help it have a wee bit more spending power than us.It is probably one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest countries in the world. Yet again, amount of people, nothing to do with actual wealth of the people there. Sweet jesus.Use facts please not your very narrow minded apprehensions.Sure you're using facts, but in all the wrong ways. If fookin Sudan had over a billion people it would have more spending power and more overrall money than us! I'll give you some facts that actual mean something in terms of wealth.The average person in India earn $3,262 US every year. That makes it's people the 125th richest in the world. Great. And you think i'm prejudiced How do any of my comments constitute prejudice?
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 The Romans did a lot of good for most of Europe, and the bad things they did were only temporary due to the lack of technology at the time. Sweet lord no! What a shame! That's a pretty dodgy remark. Verging on racist some might say. Are you saying that if you were in their postition you'd be all virtuous and get on with things? (Not that our non white friends are actually always whinging as you say they are). What's your point? Yes...? You really don't have a fvcking clue do you?
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Kin ell! Everytime I say something you don't agree with it's just, "Bollox", "you don't have a clue" etc... Try actually saying what's wrong with my views, maybe you'll convert me
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Kin ell! Everytime I say something you don't agree with it's just, "Bollox", "you don't have a clue" etc... Try actually saying what's wrong with my views, maybe you'll convert me There is no substance to anything you say! Non of your posts are based on facts, they are based on your prejudices.
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 What prejudices?!!!! Well in your little world the people who live in the Indian Sub-Continent are still hunter-gatherers, and at night they all gather round the camp fire and sing ging-gang gooley. You believe that they have no natural resources left because we have plundered it all and fvcked off, so they have to rely on what scraps people like you give them to survive.
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Well in your little world the people who live in the Indian Sub-Continent are still hunter-gatherers, and at night they all gather round the camp fire and sing ging-gang gooley. You believe that they have no natural resources left because we have plundered it all and fvcked off, so they have to rely on what scraps people like you give them to survive. Please, please tell me where I said we plundered ALL there resources :laugh: You're the one who thinks that them having so many people living in poverty is nothing to do with us colonising them . What are your thoughts on why so many Indians live in abject poverty?
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Sorry, I forgot that India and Pakistan et al just gave us all their natural resources so that we could become a prosperous country and they'd just be fvcked for the next few centuries (maybe forever). If you haven't got anything remotely useful to say, don't bother, there's no point in just dismissing people's ideas as bollox. Maybe you just haven't got an argument to come back with. Here is where you said that we plundered all their natural resources. Answer to why so many live in poverty. India has a GDP twice the size of the UK. Problem they have 20 times as many people. How can you say it is our fault for colonising them 150 years ago. Population control is the answer!
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Here is where you said that we plundered all their natural resources. Answer to why so many live in poverty. India has a GDP twice the size of the UK. Problem they have 20 times as many people. How can you say it is our fault for colonising them 150 years ago. Population control is the answer! Ahh yes, in that totally, 100%, serious post Perhaps their GDP might by somewhere near the same as the UK's per capita, and the UK's would be much lower than it is now. America's population is very big, but they have a good GDP because of all the natural resources, like India has, yet they're different somehow, hmmm... Why the hell do you think their GDP per capita is so low ?!
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Ahh yes, in that totally, 100%, serious post Perhaps their GDP might by somewhere near the same as the UK's per capita, and the UK's would be much lower than it is now. America's population is very big, but they have a good GDP because of all the natural resources, like India has, yet they're different somehow, hmmm... Why the hell do you think their GDP per capita is so low ?! Ok let's do it this way you tell me why so many of the poplation live in poverty? Cause i ain't gotta clue what your on about.wtf has America got to do with it all
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Ok let's do it this way you tell me why so many of the poplation live in poverty? Cause i ain't gotta clue what your on about.wtf has America got to do with it all I was comparingAmerica: Loads of natural resources, very rich, lots of people India: A lot of natural resources, very poor, lots of people The point being that we ruined their infastructure then left.
Babylon Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13452208,00.html
Head Honcho Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 I was comparing America: Loads of natural resources, very rich, lots of people India: A lot of natural resources, very poor, lots of people The point being that we ruined their infastructure then left. India has the best rail infrastructure in the world you idiot, and guewss who engineered it? That's right the British. Get your facts right.What infrastructure did we ruin?
Babylon Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 What an ass. funny we were thinking the same about you.
davieG Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 I was comparingAmerica: Loads of natural resources, very rich, lots of people India: A lot of natural resources, very poor, lots of people The point being that we ruined their infastructure then left. Well I can't let that go by as it's total misrepresentation of the facts, what infrastructure did they have that we ruined when we left. The British introduce a lot of good things to the countries they colonised and treated the indigenous populations far better than nearly all other countries like France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal and Holland, ok in hindsight colonising other countries can be viewed as bad but they were different times, all so called 'civilised' countries were doing it. Why is it only the British that have to turn into masochist to salve guilt, remember whist this was happening most of the indigenous population in Britain weren’t exactly having a good time of it, but were living in virtual slavery to the ‘upper classes’ with tied housing, work houses, children working as soon as they could walk etc, etc. And how can you compare the progress of America, a country few hundred years old made up of immigrants who crossed oceans to get there, who were by nature entrepreneurial, get up and go type of people with a country that goes back centuries and carries the baggage of history that prevents it behaving in a certain way, where the environment and weather creates a totally different kind of opportunity, to name but a few reasons, there are hundreds of reasons. America has outstripped the progress of every country in the world so comparing it India is nonsense.
CasinoGee Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 India has the best rail infrastructure in the world you idiot, and guewss who engineered it? That's right the British. Get your facts right.What infrastructure did we ruin? So anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot now are they?India have the best rail infastructure in the world, yes, we "engineered" it, yes. Now who built it for next to no money at all and did all the back breaking jobs to actually build their rail system? India may have lots of natural resources and big industries, but they don't make huge money out of it, big business in the west does. The Indians yet again do all the back breaking work for low wages just for their resources to be shipped out for peanuts and make money for entrepeneurial(sp?) westerners. India has an absolutely shite road network, and out of the cities it's just like China, subsistance farming, but not because of Communism, but us. We only concentrated on the cities, leaving the rest of India isolated and unnable to link with the cities as they advanced ahead.
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