lush Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 A picture of one of our black players, headlines the topic, plus comment, but no white player. A great idea is then talked about with the game against Burnley, and then the last paragraph says: "Between the 13-25 october we call on everyone touched by the game to continue the call for action against racism and to celebrate the contribution ethnic minorities have made to the game". What about the other 99.9%? Does our club believe only white people can be racist?
Katy Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 A picture of one of our black players, headlines the topic, plus comment, but no white player. A great idea is then talked about with the game against Burnley, and then the last paragraph says: "Between the 13-25 october we call on everyone touched by the game to continue the call for action against racism and to celebrate the contribution ethnic minorities have made to the game". What about the other 99.9%? Does our club believe only white people can be racist? Maybe, maybe not but racism works both ways thats for sure
Hitesh Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 For once, you do have a point that i can agree a little with. I think that this campaign should be focused on all areas of racism, and not only on the basis that only white people are racist. However, this campaign is mainly focused on the racism against ethnic minorities because of what has happened in football to date. Its only been in the past decade that more ethnic minorities have been playing football but in some countries, as we have seen, this has been condemned by the fans. We see at England games and in some European games. The racism is mainly focused on the black players and even in England there is racism in some areas. So this campaign is aimed at focusing on this issue, but i will also add that it doesnt mean the club only beleive white people can be racist. Its just the campaing is battling against the main issues, and then once it has achcieved, the main foicus will be on the whole issue of racism. Lush, you jump to conclusions too quickly and beleive the whole world is out to get you. You only look at the negatives on the situation and jump staright to the race aspects. you rarely look to the wider picture, and if you start looking at stuff with an open mind then you will understand a lot of things from different perspectives.
lush Posted 15 October 2005 Author Posted 15 October 2005 Lush, you jump to conclusions too quickly and beleive the whole world is out to get you. You only look at the negatives on the situation and jump staright to the race aspects. you rarely look to the wider picture, and if you start looking at stuff with an open mind then you will understand a lot of things from different perspectives. I can only deal with whats put infront of me. This article isnt a one off, im aware of the clubs racism policy, that, "white people dont matter". On the os, they then say in another article about the earthquake, the burnley game "this match is our annual designated anti-racism game and provides our supporters with the opportunity to demonstrate our commitment to Leicester`s diverse communities and any family and friends in the disaster". Whats attacking racism got to do with helping victims of an earthquake? I dont remember them being commited to helping those in our community with ties to white victims in new orleans and other disasters around the world, do you? Its all about equalibrium mate.
Thracian Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 A picture of one of our black players, headlines the topic, plus comment, but no white player. A great idea is then talked about with the game against Burnley, and then the last paragraph says: "Between the 13-25 october we call on everyone touched by the game to continue the call for action against racism and to celebrate the contribution ethnic minorities have made to the game". What about the other 99.9%? Does our club believe only white people can be racist? I think this is absolutely typical of anti-racist campaigns. Believe me there is a huge amount of racism against whites in this country both on the streets and in the corridors of power. There are constant television and media examples of subtle efforts to belittle or humiliate white people which are utterly indefensible. Until the anti-racist lobby starts to develop a genuine sense of fairness I shall regard them as the prejudiced activists that they are and treat them with appropriate contempt. I can take that stance because, for all my many faults, I have ALWAYS treated people with respect be they black, white, Asian, gipsies, Belfast Irish, whatever and I have never sought to disregard, belittle or humiliate anyone who didn't first seek to do the same to me. I could list here examples of blatant "reverse racism" sufficient to fill a decent newspaper column. I'm never sure which is actualy worse - racism or hypocrisy. I suppose our nation is led by a hypocrite so you cannot really EXPECT any better. But I do, as it happens. I do.
Deathside Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 I must live a sheltered life! I can't recall suffering rasism at any point in my life I have however been attacked (on more than one occasion) by nazi skinheads (especially in Germany) for being opposed to rasism
rossporterlc Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 good point, racism towards white people isn't as big a problem by far, but it still exists
Gamesmaster Posted 15 October 2005 Posted 15 October 2005 good point, racism towards white people isn't as big a problem by far, but it still exists lets be sensible, its more likely to happen to a non white person, but i take the point that lcfc hasnt helped white communities through racism.
Thracian Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 lets be sensible, its more likely to happen to a non white person, but i take the point that lcfc hasnt helped white communities through racism. That depends where in Britain you live, where you are trying to go and if you don't watch television which has made an art form of belittling/downsizing white men (not women) both through its programmes and its advertisements.
cisono Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 The fact that we even categorise people this way (whites, blacks etc) is intrinsically racist ... I wish it was just a non-issue...
Northants Fox Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 The fact that we even categorise people this way (whites, blacks etc) is intrinsically racist ... I wish it was just a non-issue... It shouldn't be an issue, when i lived in leicester i had a number of friends that were either of West Indian or Asian origin but were classed as british nationals. Anyone remember this comment from Labour MP Diane Abbott after Labour won the election in 1997 QUOTE: "All white people are racest" she was forced to withdraw that remark later, i found it quite insulting at the time, she'd apparently made that remark in an interview not long after she was elected i read in one of the papers two days later and i must admit it made me pretty angry at the time.
CasinoGee Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 How many racist attacks do you get on white people in the England? How many racist attack do you get on white people in Compton/Harlem etc..? The point is that a lot of people feel uncomfotable with outsiders. White people aren't outsiders in England so they very rarely get attacked for their race. If a white guy was to walk through the streets of Compton for example, they'd get beaten up, possibly shot, because they're an outsider. There isn't a problem with racially motivated attacks on white people in England so there really is no need to make an effort to include white people in English society, especially considering that they make up a huge majority of the population. Lush, stop trying to scaremonger people into being racists like you.
Gamesmaster Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 That depends where in Britain you live, where you are trying to go and if you don't watch television which has made an art form of belittling/downsizing white men (not women) both through its programmes and its advertisements. and just how do they do that
Rincewind Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 There is also prejudice amongst non-white British. I know West Indians who do not like Asians and I have been with Sikhs who make jokes about 'pakis' India has a very strict caste system and the ones that arrive in Britain are usually of the higher order and have a profession a doctor or lawyer. There are many immigrants from all over the world that come here. I don't know each one individually so I can't class them as all the same. I don't see the case histories of asylum seekers so what right do I have to say they are all faking it. It would be great if people were sensible and treated people the world over the same but it is Mans nature to belittle those the feel to be inferior to them. People will respond when they think their livelihoods are threatened and this is what the racists prey on.
cisono Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 How many racist attacks do you get on white people in the England? ... The point is that a lot of people feel uncomfotable with outsiders. White people aren't outsiders in England so they very rarely get attacked for their race. If a white guy was to walk through the streets of Compton for example, they'd get beaten up, possibly shot, because they're an outsider. I don't think this white/non-white contrapposition somehow catches the complexity of the situation. There are many white outsiders in England, myself being one. One of my English 5-a-side mates turned up with two black eyes the other night. It turns out that he was attacked by several "Eastern European" guys while coming out of a takeway place at the weekend. He was kicked in the face and stomach. No apparent motive (such as money) - of course, he could not understand what they were saying... And we are talking Leicester, not some dodgy district in Nottingham. (sorry Nottingham residents ) He is lucky to have survived at all...
Thracian Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 and just how do they do that Just watch it and think about what you're watching. There are daily examples. I don't particularly want to deliver a diatribe about it cos I've had a happy 24 hours with Leicester winning. However, it antagonises me so much that I quickly turn off.
Gamesmaster Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 Just watch it and think about what you're watching. There are daily examples. I don't particularly want to deliver a diatribe about it cos I've had a happy 24 hours with Leicester winning. However, it antagonises me so much that I quickly turn off. when you next see one, point it out to us.
Rincewind Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 I don't know about the anti-white thing but I've noticed the gender ads have changed. The woman is no longer the domestic one smiling with a mop or a packet of washing powder in her hand happy to have a dinner waiting for her hard working hubby,. She's now shown as the dominant one that makes important decisions while the husband cowers in the corner with the hoover.
Head Honcho Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 Racism in this country is no where near as bad as all these campaigners would like to have us think. They are given much too much publicity for my liking. What about all these organisation Association of Black Police Officers Association of Black Solicitors Association of Black Journalists Association of Black Accountants Association of Black Social Workers Association of Black Cardiologists Association of Black Psychologists The list goes on. I mean is that taking the piss or what. Why are these organisations allowed to operate. In the words of the late Enoch Powell,in 1968. In this country, in 15 or 20 years' time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by different sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population. Positive discrimination is no less a crime then Racism, yet the press don't report it to the extent they do Racism. Why not?
Gamesmaster Posted 16 October 2005 Posted 16 October 2005 That depends where in Britain you live, where you are trying to go and if you don't watch television which has made an art form of belittling/downsizing white men (not women) both through its programmes and its advertisements. ive just seen a football advert on tv, and the people celebrating were african, and those comisorating were white, is that what you mean?
IDEA OR IKEA Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Roughly on the subject What about this website:- www.blackpeopleloveus.com/ Cant figure out whether its a really clever and funny take on racism or really offensive?
Thracian Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 How many racist attacks do you get on white people in the England? How many racist attack do you get on white people in Compton/Harlem etc..? The point is that a lot of people feel uncomfotable with outsiders. White people aren't outsiders in England so they very rarely get attacked for their race. If a white guy was to walk through the streets of Compton for example, they'd get beaten up, possibly shot, because they're an outsider. There isn't a problem with racially motivated attacks on white people in England so there really is no need to make an effort to include white people in English society, especially considering that they make up a huge majority of the population. Lush, stop trying to scaremonger people into being racists like you. You get loads of racist attacks on whites (on girls as well) although the Police and other authorities seem reluctant to release actual figures. And now I've said that I suppose you'll call me racist which is a convenient and much practiced way of stiffling debate on a subject. Furthermore white people do not make up the majority in many parts of our major cities. You really are so blinkered, or, perhaps worse, so utterly biased that you can't or won't see what is perfectly obvious. A bit like Diane Abbott really. If there's a policeman on this forum why not release some actual figures for us. Let's have some facts to assist the truth, even accepting they are likely to be diluted to some extent.
Guest Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 All the club is doing is trying to stamp out racism from the game. There is no racism against whites in football. Does this mean that racism against ethnic minorities can't be dealt with until there is, just make it "fair"? How do you expect to deal with the disparity in society if you can't sort your own back yard out, so's to speak?
Head Honcho Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 All the club is doing is trying to stamp out racism from the game. There is no racism against whites in football. Does this mean that racism against ethnic minorities can't be dealt with until there is, just make it "fair"? How do you expect to deal with the disparity in society if you can't sort your own back yard out, so's to speak? You know that for a fact do you? Let me tell ya now, if you're playing a team from an etnhic background, they give twice as much as they get, it's all banter at the end of the day they know that so try to wind us up the best they can, then it's all in the bar later for a pint, no ones died or been taken to Hospital. Storm in a Teacup this Racism in Football Bollox
davieG Posted 17 October 2005 Posted 17 October 2005 Well there's certainly anti English/British recruitment going on by top clubs. This was proved when a young lad with a very English name applied to several clubs for a trial and got no replies. He repeated the process later on with a spanish version of his name and got several invites for trials. Racism - who knows, Favouritism - certainly, Intentional - who knows. But is does happen just like it does in all areas of recruitment, just ask Patricia Hewitt
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