Trust Calls On City Fans to Speak Up at Open Meeting

[MC Prussian]

Lush, when's the last time you got laid?

[Manwell Pablo]

Lush, when's the last time you got laid?

Yet again your talking shit.

Had you asked them before the cov game, do you think 25% would`ve thought our stewards were worse than at other grounds?

Erm this debate has been going for a lot longer then that. Yet again your to blind to see it, as ive said before your to rapped up in your own opinoated world to notice whats going on around you.

I also question the amount of football ground you have actually been too. Because It cant be many if you feel u r unable to swear at a football game.

You wish I'd Ignore you beacuse I tell you how it is, I wish I could ignore you beacuse ur not worth the effort 75% of the time. Your arguements back are normally petit, espically regarding off the picth subjects.

[lush]

Lush, when's the last time you got laid?

Overt personal abuse of other posters (unless it’s in jest of course!) .

We all know swisspiss hates me.

I guess you like swisspissing water sports

[MC Prussian]

Lush, take it easy and relax.

:sleep:

And btw, I never said that I hated you.

I think, just like in all other cases, you're getting way too much into the subject without offering any real and practical solutions. I think Foxestrust CAN deal by itself and represents the fans' voice pretty well. If you want to change something, join them or start an own organisation.

You're a lone, exaggerating and close to crazy voice.

[Manwell Pablo]

would also like to add the 25% of Leicester City fans who feel the stewards are better at other clubs are being treated as away fans. In other words they are being treated as every away supporter is, worse then the home fans. If 25% of people travelling think they get better treatment away from home then at their own ground that is terrible.

Having sat in several football grounds in the home end besides the walkers, I can tell you, you would think u were in heaven.

[lush]

Erm this debate has been going for a lot longer then that. Yet again your to blind to see it

I also question the amount of football ground you have actually been too. Because It cant be many if you feel u r unable to swear at a football game.

You wish I'd Ignore you beacuse I tell you how it is, I wish I could ignore you beacuse ur not worth the effort 75% of the time.

Heeey mawellll, hows it going oldboy. Do you know what was being discussed?

Ive been to about 50/60 grounds, and if you had read what ive said, you`ll know that i TOO like to swear at grounds. Well, you cant help it with refereeing and de lump. BUT, i know the rules, and i abide by them when poss.

No, i wish you`d ignore me cos its my fault when you speak to me (ask mr c...). PUT ME ON IGNORE, PLEASE!! Or are you scared you`ll miss out on LIVELY debate kenlcfc tried, and even for him it was too much to missout on what i say. I may not be liked, but people WANA know what i say. Probably because i talk from the heart, and i dont fook around, and people like that, although their scared to admit it, and do it themselves.

[MC Prussian]

I think you're a bit messed up in your head, Lush.

[lush]

And btw, I never said that I hated you.

I think, just like in all other cases, you're getting way too much into the subject without offering any real and practical solutions. I think Foxestrust CAN deal by itself and represents the fans' voice pretty well. If you want to change something, join them or start an own organisation.

You're a lone, exaggerating and close to crazy voice.

Thats a shitty picture of you there swisspiss. Come on swisspiss, you do hate me, go on, tell the truth and shame your devil.

I have offered a very practical solution, just you havnt read it. FT has proven what a shambles they are, go read swiss, its disturbing.

You live thousands of miles away, last game you went to, what blackburn away in tut cup. You have little knowledge of this subject, run on.

[MC Prussian]

Thats a shitty picture of you there swisspiss. Come on swisspiss, you do hate me, go on, tell the truth and shame your devil.

I have offered a very practical solution, just you havnt read it. FT has proven what a shambles they are, go read swiss, its disturbing.

You live thousands of miles away, last game you went to, what blackburn away in tut cup. You have little knowledge of this subject, run on.

So if you have that vast amount of knowledge on this topic, why don't you go to a Foxestrust meeting and state it there instead of sitting on a chair all day long and venting your frustration. You even live close enough.

Because that's how you come across: a very frustrated and neglected person who's slightly going crazy.

And the last game that I went to wasn't the Blackburn one. You're a funny guy, making that one up.

Now have a

and chill out.

[Manwell Pablo]

Thats a shitty picture of you there swisspiss. Come on swisspiss, you do hate me, go on, tell the truth and shame your devil.

I have offered a very practical solution, just you havnt read it. FT has proven what a shambles they are, go read swiss, its disturbing.

You live thousands of miles away, last game you went to, what blackburn away in tut cup. You have little knowledge of this subject, run on.

Bit abusive dont you think. Really a need?

Why would I want to block you, your entitled to your opinion and for me to shut it out would make me closed minded. Somtimes times you can make some half decent points.

what I mean by ignoring you is on stupid off the field subjects like this when your contradict yourself time after time.

You say you have been to 50 or 60 football grounds and you like to swear. But you will accept differnt treatment at the walkers.

You will Accpet 25% of our fans thinking they are treated better away from home the at their own ground.

and worst of all you block out other peoples opinions in your own quest to be differnt.

[lush]

Because that's how you come across: a person who's slightly going crazy.

And the last game that I went to wasn't the Blackburn one. You're a funny guy, making that one up.

I was "going crazy" earlier, now im "slightly going crazy". FT must be your best mate

You did go to the blackburn game, ive done my research on you. You was featured on the bbc. It must`ve pissed you off pretending to like lcfc? What other teams do you like? Dont worry, it`ll be when you least expect it, many years from now. Although, next june/july does seem appealing.

swisspiss, unless one has an awful lot of dispensible funds to take over lcfc, its pointless. No fans forum will make any serious difference at lcfc, and i know you know that, cos i know you atleast have a brain in that department. People like us KNOW what the deal is. People like the FT have romantic dreams of the seemingly impossible. I suppose its good to have a dream, but a realistic one please.

[lush]

Bit abusive dont you think. Really a need?

Why would I want to block you, your entitled to your opinion and for me to shut it out would make me closed minded. Somtimes times you can make some half decent points.

what I mean by ignoring you is on stupid off the field subjects like this when your contradict yourself time after time.

You say you have been to 50 or 60 football grounds and you like to swear. But you will accept differnt treatment at the walkers.

You will Accpet 25% of our fans thinking they are treated better away from home the at their own ground.

and worst of all you block out other peoples opinions in your own quest to be differnt.

Yeah i know, you`d think swisspiss would learn to adhere to foxestalk policy. Then again, he manipulated mr c`s arse before, maybe he can do it again. Certainly seems that way with his disgusting use of gay suggestions. I bet hes larfing right now, me too

Manwell, if you agree to the use of my opinion, and you shun people who produce abusive postings, why do you call me all sorts of names, tell me im talking rubbish, and refuse to answer my questions?

You dont half talk like mr c.

How have i contridicted myself?

The treatment is extremely similar around the grounds mate. It is hysteria that you are concentrating on regards the lcfc stewards, bumped up by the foxes trust.

Had lcfc been playing in the champions league, no one would give a flying about the incident v cov.

The 25% thing is based on opinion directly after the cov game. That is not general feeling. Had that question been before the cov game, and even you will have said differently, as no one ever mentions how good/bad stewards are. Please think about this before a riot situation closses our ground down, please.

I dont understand your last point, elaberate for me please?

[MC Prussian]

I was "going crazy" earlier, now im "slightly going crazy". FT must be your best mate

You did go to the blackburn game, ive done my research on you. You was featured on the bbc. It must`ve pissed you off pretending to like lcfc? What other teams do you like? Dont worry, it`ll be when you least expect it, many years from now. Although, next june/july does seem appealing.

swisspiss, unless one has an awful lot of dispensible funds to take over lcfc, its pointless. No fans forum will make any serious difference at lcfc, and i know you know that, cos i know you atleast have a brain in that department. People like us KNOW what the deal is. People like the FT have romantic dreams of the seemingly impossible. I suppose its good to have a dream, but a realistic one please.

You've not done enough research. I have never been featured on any TV station (apart from the local one that I worked for 1 1/2 years ago) outside of Switzerland, my crazy friend. There's a picture of me on one of the match reports on the official LCFC homepage way back. Maybe with the good work that you're doing on research, you'll be able to find it.

And I don't like any other teams from England, apart Leicester City FC. You're a specialist in making things up...

Your negative P.O.V. won't help at all and complaining without offering practical solutions is contraproductive.

[lush]

So you didnt go to the blackburn game?

[Manwell Pablo]

Yeah i know, you`d think swisspiss would learn to adhere to foxestalk policy. Then again, he manipulated mr c`s arse before, maybe he can do it again. Certainly seems that way with his disgusting use of gay suggestions. I bet hes larfing right now, me too

Manwell, if you agree to the use of my opinion, and you shun people who produce abusive postings, why do you call me all sorts of names, tell me im talking rubbish, and refuse to answer my questions?

You dont half talk like mr c.

How have i contridicted myself?

The treatment is extremely similar around the grounds mate. It is hysteria that you are concentrating on regards the lcfc stewards, bumped up by the foxes trust.

Had lcfc been playing in the champions league, no one would give a flying about the incident v cov.

The 25% thing is based on opinion directly after the cov game. That is not general feeling. Had that question been before the cov game, and even you will have said differently, as no one ever mentions how good/bad stewards are. Please think about this before a riot situation closses our ground down, please.

I dont understand your last point, elaberate for me please?

Well for one My friends and I ( to use correct grammar ) Have been moaning about the the Stewarding situation at the Walkers for well over a year. My opinion was shared by the Foxes Trust and they bothred to do somthing about it. Which is why I was one of the first people to say the meeting was a good idea.

I can say your talking rubbish if thats what I think you are doing. Thats my opinion and im entitled to say it if I feel you are doing just that, just as much as you are to make the somtimes outlandish points you make in the first place. I have no intention of blocking any ones point of view off just beacuse I disagree with it from time to time. I call you names in Jest, and if I mean its normally an immediate reaction to reading somthing I feel is totatally stupid.

Now you must at least meet me in the middle hear an admit there is a significant differnce in treatmen at at least 60 70% of footie grounds around the country. Ive given examples and if you have been to other grounds and paid attention you would notice the differnce.

I personal think the whole subject is somthing you have failed to really grasp the point of, as you dont think there is a problem which is fine. As ive said before if you don't think theres a problem why waste your time on the matter.

My last point is basic Lush, You speak your mind on a subject which is fine, I never once seen you give an inch to any one's elses thoughts though, never saying, yes that could be true I could be wrong or, I can see what you mean by that and i agree in a way. It seems like the more outspoken you are on one subject the more you will post on it, Disagreing more and more with most other people. Seems like you just want to argue for the sake of it sometimes.

[Manwell Pablo]

as far as the 25% thing goes you could be right, I would like to think the people of Leicestershire don't follow "hysteria" and think for themselves though

[MC Prussian]

So you didnt go to the blackburn game?

Do I need to repeat myself?

[lush]

Well for one My friends and I ( to use correct grammar ) Have been moaning about the the Stewarding situation at the Walkers for well over a year. My opinion was shared by the Foxes Trust and they bothred to do somthing about it. Which is why I was one of the first people to say the meeting was a good idea.

I can say your talking rubbish if thats what I think you are doing. Thats my opinion and im entitled to say it if I feel you are doing just that, just as much as you are to make the somtimes outlandish points you make in the first place. I have no intention of blocking any ones point of view off just beacuse I disagree with it from time to time. I call you names in Jest, and if I mean its normally an immediate reaction to reading somthing I feel is totatally stupid.

Now you must at least meet me in the middle hear an admit there is a significant differnce in treatmen at at least 60 70% of footie grounds around the country. Ive given examples and if you have been to other grounds and paid attention you would notice the differnce.

I personal think the whole subject is somthing you have failed to really grasp the point of, as you dont think there is a problem which is fine. As ive said before if you don't think theres a problem why waste your time on the matter.

My last point is basic Lush, You speak your mind on a subject which is fine, I never once seen you give an inch to any one's elses thoughts though, never saying, yes that could be true I could be wrong or, I can see what you mean by that and i agree in a way. It seems like the more outspoken you are on one subject the more you will post on it, Disagreing more and more with most other people. Seems like you just want to argue for the sake of it sometimes.

About how many of the 20,000 city fans think stewarding poor?

I understand your critisim of me mr c, sorry manwell, but i could easily state the guidlines to you which say "Overt personal abuse of other posters (unless it’s in jest of course!)". A little more guidance is needed here. I ask for this websites sake, that instead of publishing swisspiss like words, you behave in a little more of an adult manner.

The last away ground i went to, was hull`s. At no point was the stewarding poor, just like my visit to filbert way last time around, or ANYTIME! From where i sit, i can see quite clearly those in the upper reaches of L block abusing the rules of stadium law. They only have themselves to blame if the stewards crash their party.

I dont have a problem myself, but this debate and previous is forming a dangerous situation that could give me a problem. If uneducated fans fall out with lcfc and their stewards, then the stewards will be harder on me. What you and a hundred or thousand do now, will have an effect on 20,000 people. You do not consider those thousands that dont have a problem.

manwell, i only post in about 5 -10% of threads, how could i possibly be against most things said...Its when stupid hysterical situations that are building up like this one when i turn to defend the innocent until proven guilty. YOU are guilty of damming the innocent. FIND proof of guilt before you hang the stewards, because by doing so, you may hang lcfc.

Lets just listen to one another, take in whats said and deal with it sensibly. I want to understand you, i hope you feel the same way back mate.

[lush]

Do I need to repeat myself?

If your that frumpy 6ft odd blokey, then you were featured on bbc east midlands today. Or theres another swisspiss loookalike living in canada, please tell us theres only one. You have/had a beard right.

[MC Prussian]

If your that frumpy 6ft odd blokey, then you were featured on bbc east midlands today. Or theres another swisspiss loookalike living in canada, please tell us theres only one. You have/had a beard right.

I have a slight goatee from time to time. But never a full beard. You're obviously mistaking me for somebody else, my crazy friend.

It's just amazing how you get yourself entangled in all those weird theories. Wake up.

[Jon the Hat]

About how many of the 20,000 city fans think stewarding poor?

I understand your critisim of me mr c, sorry manwell, but i could easily state the guidlines to you which say "Overt personal abuse of other posters (unless it’s in jest of course!)". A little more guidance is needed here. I ask for this websites sake, that instead of publishing swisspiss like words, you behave in a little more of an adult manner.

The last away ground i went to, was hull`s. At no point was the stewarding poor, just like my visit to filbert way last time around, or ANYTIME! From where i sit, i can see quite clearly those in the upper reaches of L block abusing the rules of stadium law. They only have themselves to blame if the stewards crash their party.

I dont have a problem myself, but this debate and previous is forming a dangerous situation that could give me a problem. If uneducated fans fall out with lcfc and their stewards, then the stewards will be harder on me. What you and a hundred or thousand do now, will have an effect on 20,000 people. You do not consider those thousands that dont have a problem.

manwell, i only post in about 5 -10% of threads, how could i possibly be against most things said...Its when stupid hysterical situations that are building up like this one when i turn to defend the innocent until proven guilty. YOU are guilty of damming the innocent. FIND proof of guilt before you hang the stewards, because by doing so, you may hang lcfc.

Lets just listen to one another, take in whats said and deal with it sensibly. I want to understand you, i hope you feel the same way back mate.

So Lush, as far as I can make out (it doesn't make much sense so it's a little difficult) you believe the following.

1) FT and those who think there is a problem will not be able to influence the club at all, so shouldn't bother.

3) FT and those who think there is a problem are causing a "dangerous situation" with "Stupid hyterical siuations building"

So do you think the FT have influence or not? Do fans have inlfuence or not?

Seems to me (and perception is all that matters) (at the end of the day ) that a concern has been identified, and people are going to talk to the club about it. Hardly dangerous or hysterical.

[Guest]

Why does anyone who presents a coherent argument against Lush get saddled with the same accusation of being a politician either in this or a previous existence?

And Lush, don't you dare bleat about personal abuse of other posters. I can, and have, read deleted posts.

[lush]

1) FT and those who think there is a problem will not be able to influence the club at all, so shouldn't bother.

3) FT and those who think there is a problem are causing a "dangerous situation" with "Stupid hyterical siuations building"

So do you think the FT have influence or not? Do fans have inlfuence or not?

Seems to me (and perception is all that matters) (at the end of the day ) that a concern has been identified, and people are going to talk to the club about it. Hardly dangerous or hysterical.

1, they might persuade the club to be a little more liberal with the rules. lcfc love appealing to liberal nature. Although, i dont know how you implement the liberalisation of the rules, and hold a liecence to run a stadium on safety grounds.

You either have rules in which you adhere to, or you dont. You cant say, oh hes standing, we`ll let this one go, and then he falls and breaks his or someone else`s bones, thats just plain daft.

3, wheres 2? there MAY be 1 or 10 stewards that arnt upto the job, 1 or 3 that done wrong v cov. But whats being said here in the run up to this meeting and at home games, is the opinion that most of the hundreds of stewards and police arnt upto the job. That is inciting unecessary hatred on a large scale. FT is the main instigater behind this, there being irresponsible.

City arnt doing too well, if lcfc officials tell FT and others that all is being done (no one has been proven to be done bad), and the fans dont agree (as they dont now), then you have a stand off situation, coupled with city not doing well, and pottential for a riot.

Both FT and fans have immense influence, but its how you go about using it that decides how good it can be.

If WE wanted a player out, and the club said no, all we gota do is not go, and the club would HAVE to agree.

However, if we wanted the rules changing, and the club couldnt change them, there would be no point us not going.

This is what keep trying to explain, lcfc CANNOT change the rules themselves, it is a nationwide footballing law introduced via the Hillsborough disaster etc.

Try getting a nationwide petition going, not against stewards and police, but against the RULES of LAW. Its bigwigs in parliament you have to attack, not lcfc officials.

They dont, moderated moderator Lisa chillout woman. stop attacking every word i say, and be a bit more positive?

[Jon the Hat]

This is what keep trying to explain, lcfc CANNOT change the rules themselves, it is a nationwide footballing law introduced via the Hillsborough disaster etc.

Do you actually know what the laws are? Is it for example legal for fans to stand to celebrate a goal? For how long? How about if they need to go to the toilet? Is it only groups of fans standing that is illegal? How many qualifies as a group?

On the implementation side, do you know whether or not a Steward must be asked by a policeman to remove someone? Or whether they are allowed to eject someone on their own judgement? How much training do they receive? Do they have supervisor on hand they can ask for advice? Does the club align their policies with other clubs? Is there any review process to ensure they are consistent? Has a steward ever been reprimanded for innapropriate behaviour? Are there different rules/guidelines in different parts of the ground? Do stewards understand these? Who decides which Stewards go where? Are the more "up for it" stewards sent to L1? Might this inflame the situation? Is the club committed to fair treatment of fans and how do they ensure it happens? What is the appeals process? Are STH's treated any differently? Are the police involved in reviewing incidents? Are all incidents reviewed with the Stewards in question? Are they told when they might have been over the top? Are they commended for actions which defuse potential disputes? Are there any plainclothes stewards to keep things low key? Are stewards encouraged not to run unless absolutely necessary?

I think there are a lot of questions to be clarified. The answers might be what we want to hear, they might not. We might give the club some ideas. Pehaps the club could allow the FT to have sight of the training materials used for Stewards.

It can't do any harm for the details to be communicated to fans at this meeting, becuase unlike you Lush, who appears to be terribly well informed about the law and certain that City are implementing it correctly, (it appears you believe the club management are in fact competent at somthing - maybe they should be paid their salaries!) most fans do not in fact understand the rules to their satisfaction.

[Guest]

They dont, moderated moderator Lisa chillout woman. stop attacking every word i say, and be a bit more positive?

:sleep: :sleep: Perhaps if you posted something that made sense, there would be nothing to attack. As for being positive, see the quotation in my signature. I think that says it all.