Trust Calls On City Fans to Speak Up at Open Meeting

[Foxes_Trust]

View our press release on the topic here:

http://www.foxestrust.com/html/modules.php...article&sid=547

and please come along & speak up

[lush]

FT "The Foxes Trust calls on all City fans who feel strongly about the role and behaviour of stewards at the Walkers stadium"

I feel strongly that they havnt done anything wrong. As yet, no one has come forward with a justyfiable complaint associated with the cov "incident", or have they?

"The Trust applauds the Club for taking this quick action after recent events, and invites the club to agree with fans just what is and is not “acceptable†behaviour inside a football stadium, so that everyone, including stewards, knows just what “the rules†are"

I thought the club adhered to governing the laws of stewarding?

"The Trust also calls on the Club to publish the notes of the meeting and its agreement on what it will do as a consequence of the meeting on its website for all to see."

Yeah good idea that. I hope someone takes a dictaphone, and publishes whats said and agreed on.

I doubt the laws of stewarding will change, but hey, jesus turned wine into water dont forget.

"The Trust has recently surveyed its members on the Coventry game incident, stewarding in general, and views on stewards are highly uncomplimentary".

Nothing bad seemed to happen V southampton. I`d suggest you do another survey of that game, and get a more balanced view, rather than this hype to attack stewards who do what you and i are not prepared to.

[Jon the Hat]

FT "The Foxes Trust calls on all City fans who feel strongly about the role and behaviour of stewards at the Walkers stadium"

I feel strongly that they havnt done anything wrong. As yet, no one has come forward with a justyfiable complaint associated with the cov "incident", or have they?

"The Trust applauds the Club for taking this quick action after recent events, and invites the club to agree with fans just what is and is not “acceptable†behaviour inside a football stadium, so that everyone, including stewards, knows just what “the rules†are"

I thought the club adhered to governing the laws of stewarding?

"The Trust also calls on the Club to publish the notes of the meeting and its agreement on what it will do as a consequence of the meeting on its website for all to see."

Yeah good idea that. I hope someone takes a dictaphone, and publishes whats said and agreed on.

I doubt the laws of stewarding will change, but hey, jesus turned wine into water dont forget.

"The Trust has recently surveyed its members on the Coventry game incident, stewarding in general, and views on stewards are highly uncomplimentary".

Nothing bad seemed to happen V southampton. I`d suggest you do another survey of that game, and get a more balanced view, rather than this hype to attack stewards who do what you and i are not prepared to.

I'm sure the Club will be delighted to have your support at the open meeting Lush. I don't see any indication that they are only inviting those who think there is a problem.

Incidentally are you able to provide any links on the "Laws of Stewarding" you mention so we can all be better informed?

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm sure the Club will be delighted to have your support at the open meeting Lush. I don't see any indication that they are only inviting those who think there is a problem.

Incidentally are you able to provide any links on the "Laws of Stewarding" you mention so we can all be better informed?

I can see Lush has made yet another new friend

Just beacuse their wasn't a issue at one game doesn't mean theirs not a problem Lush.

[lush]

I'm sure the Club will be delighted to have your support at the open meeting Lush. I don't see any indication that they are only inviting those who think there is a problem.

Incidentally are you able to provide any links on the "Laws of Stewarding" you mention so we can all be better informed?

Oh yes im sure the club would welcome me, but the foxes trust only seem to want people who have a hatred for stewards. I dont have the laws of stewarding im afraid. Maybe someone can enlighten us with them, maybe the foxes trust could? Or would that put their argument to shame?

You see, its my belief, that the foxes trust feel they need to appease its followers into being seen to be "doing something", and its such that alot of fans feel the stewarding was awful v cov.

Well, it may have been, but theres NO proof, and the foxes trust keep stiring up hatred. They produced a survey of stewarding v cov, but not for another game that foxes trust members feel went ok.

If their not carefull, they`ll be seen to be doing bad. That could well turn out to be a real shame, although they havnt REALLY done anything in their history which provided a REAL difference in which the way our club is run.

YES, they got together and gathered money from fans for administration, and well done, BUT, it wasnt absolutely needed. NO WAY would people like gary lineker let city die, so whatever funds the FT gathered, would`ve been sorted by someone.

On the back of that, they make no real breakthrough`s, and critisize stewards without proof of ANY wrong doing.

Manwell "Just beacuse their wasn't a issue at one game doesn't mean theirs not a problem Lush."

Come on mate, what justyfiable problem with stewarding, exists at filbert way? There was an "incident" v cov, but no one has proof of any wrong doing???

[Manwell Pablo]

Oh yes im sure the club would welcome me, but the foxes trust only seem to want people who have a hatred for stewards. I dont have the laws of stewarding im afraid. Maybe someone can enlighten us with them, maybe the foxes trust could? Or would that put their argument to shame?

You see, its my belief, that the foxes trust feel they need to appease its followers into being seen to be "doing something", and its such that alot of fans feel the stewarding was awful v cov.

Well, it may have been, but theres NO proof, and the foxes trust keep stiring up hatred. They produced a survey of stewarding v cov, but not for another game that foxes trust members feel went ok.

If their not carefull, they`ll be seen to be doing bad. That could well turn out to be a real shame, although they havnt REALLY done anything in their history which provided a REAL difference in which the way our club is run.

YES, they got together and gathered money from fans for administration, and well done, BUT, it wasnt absolutely needed. NO WAY would people like gary lineker let city die, so whatever funds the FT gathered, would`ve been sorted by someone.

On the back of that, they make no real breakthrough`s, and critisize stewards without proof of ANY wrong doing.

Manwell "Just beacuse their wasn't a issue at one game doesn't mean theirs not a problem Lush."

Come on mate, what justyfiable problem with stewarding, exists at filbert way? There was an "incident" v cov, but no one has proof of any wrong doing???

One Major Incident, C-man getting thrown out, u didnt see that did u, so possibly other minor incidents for all you know which u wouldnt of seen as you were prolly to busy watching Elvis Hammond, or telling the person next to you what a excellent player he is, or complaining about the poor game Gujohnson is having yet again, Whilst moaning that we can't attract suppourt from Cambridge any more. If any one got thrown out for "over" celebrating Leicesters goal, you would of prolly missed it as u were prolly sat muttering under your breath "Uhh De Lump Scored Uhh I dont care he's still a Lump."

im fed up giving you examples of heavy handed stewarding, C-man has been thrown out, there was an almighty kick off at the blackpool game and cov game. 3 or 4 people have been on this site complaining that someone they know has been mistreated, and the extract from the Plymouth Argyle fan. SO FOR THE LAST TIME THERE ....... THERE IS SEVERAL INCIDENTS OF STEWARDS BEING HEAVY HANDED.

No Proff of wrong doing, at the cov game??! did u see they way they charged in!?

No doubt I will get a stupid reply like. "im still waiting for someone to give me an account of stewards not meeting their standerds."

I wish I had the Self control to Ignore you.

[davieG]

Oh yes im sure the club would welcome me, but the foxes trust only seem to want people who have a hatred for stewards. I dont have the laws of stewarding im afraid. Maybe someone can enlighten us with them, maybe the foxes trust could? Or would that put their argument to shame?

You see, its my belief, that the foxes trust feel they need to appease its followers into being seen to be "doing something", and its such that alot of fans feel the stewarding was awful v cov.

Well, it may have been, but theres NO proof, and the foxes trust keep stiring up hatred. They produced a survey of stewarding v cov, but not for another game that foxes trust members feel went ok.

If their not carefull, they`ll be seen to be doing bad. That could well turn out to be a real shame, although they havnt REALLY done anything in their history which provided a REAL difference in which the way our club is run.

YES, they got together and gathered money from fans for administration, and well done, BUT, it wasnt absolutely needed. NO WAY would people like gary lineker let city die, so whatever funds the FT gathered, would`ve been sorted by someone.

On the back of that, they make no real breakthrough`s, and critisize stewards without proof of ANY wrong doing.

Manwell "Just beacuse their wasn't a issue at one game doesn't mean theirs not a problem Lush."

Come on mate, what justyfiable problem with stewarding, exists at filbert way? There was an "incident" v cov, but no one has proof of any wrong doing???

Have you thought about posting your views on this subject on the Foxfanzine site as has become you habit; I'm sure you will get a lot of people supporting your view.

[lush]

One Major Incident, C-man getting thrown out, u didnt see that did u

im fed up giving you examples of heavy handed stewarding, C-man has been thrown out, there was an almighty kick off at the blackpool game and cov game. 3 or 4 people have been on this site complaining that someone they know has been mistreated, and the extract from the Plymouth Argyle fan. SO FOR THE LAST TIME THERE ....... THERE IS SEVERAL INCIDENTS OF STEWARDS BEING HEAVY HANDED.

No Proff of wrong doing, at the cov game??! did u see they way they charged in!?

I wish I had the Self control to Ignore you.

C-man said here that he deserved it?

Lets assume that stewards have done wrong. Why hasnt the club told us that the steward(s) have been dealt with? It seems as far as the club and police are concerned, NO steward has done wrong.

And NO fan has given ANY kind of evidence of a steward doing wrong.

If any of the above had happened, then the foxes trust would`ve told us about it.

Whats wrong with stewards charging in? If wrong doing by football fans is occuring, i EXPECT they charge in to sort them out.

Why dont you ask yourself, thats just possibly, lcfc fans could well have done wrong v cov? Have an open mind.

I`d love you to ignore me.

This whole talking point has been blown up unecessary by people that wana encourage hate. If there was any real substance, WE`D KNOW ABOUT IT.

[lush]

Have you thought about posting your views on this subject on the Foxfanzine site as has become you habit; I'm sure you will get a lot of people supporting your view.

I havnt been there for weeks. Whats the point "preaching" to the converted sensible souls. Might aswell try and make a difference with the uneducated here.

Hey, i tried, but if theres a riot because of hatred towards stewards, you`ll know where to look to find blame, the foxes trust and pablo etc.

[The People's Hero]

Lush, seriously... stop being a penis!

[Durnerz]

C-man said here that he deserved it?

Lets assume that stewards have done wrong. Why hasnt the club told us that the steward(s) have been dealt with? It seems as far as the club and police are concerned, NO steward has done wrong.

And NO fan has given ANY kind of evidence of a steward doing wrong.

If any of the above had happened, then the foxes trust would`ve told us about it.

Whats wrong with stewards charging in? If wrong doing by football fans is occuring, i EXPECT they charge in to sort them out.

Why dont you ask yourself, thats just possibly, lcfc fans could well have done wrong v cov? Have an open mind.

I`d love you to ignore me.

This whole talking point has been blown up unecessary by people that wana encourage hate. If there was any real substance, WE`D KNOW ABOUT IT.

Not Necassarily as Tim Davies a couple of weeks back on Radio Leicester said they were still reviewing Police video's and statements etc from the QPR and Coventry matches where there were incidents.

The Stewarding in L block forced me out of where I was sitting it was so ridiculous but i'd point my finger more towards the Police than the stewards themselves, the Police just seemed to get bored standing on the steps and would heavy handidly eject fans doing very little wrong. The Stewards were alright usually with us in terms of courtesy etc but what annoyed me was a hoard of around 500-800 Awayers would stay stood for the entire match and no great steward or Police presence was near them, yet for around 100 or so lads at the top of L block they had camera's, police officers,sergeants and stewards around us. One rule for one, another for the other.

[Guest Gist]

This is what annoys me they cant make one set of fans sit and let the others stand there!

Like preston away last year they were throwing leicester fans out for standing yet the preston fans were standing and nothing was being done

[lush]

Not Necassarily as Tim Davies a couple of weeks back on Radio Leicester said they were still reviewing Police video's and statements etc from the QPR and Coventry matches where there were incidents.

So whats occured since a few weeks ago, have they found any steward or policeman guilty of wrong doing? Doesnt seem like it to me, because the foxes trust would`ve told us.

[Durnerz]

So whats occured since a few weeks ago, have they found any steward or policeman guilty of wrong doing? Doesnt seem like it to me, because the foxes trust would`ve told us.

Maybe thats why they are still reviewing the tapes, how can they make a judgement on Stewards or Police's wrongdoings without analysing the proof? How do you know the Foxes Trust would have told us anyway, the OS themselves are slow to report on things like transfers, price cuts etc Forest fans who caused trouble at LCFC were identified on CCTV a year after it happened.

[Guest]

Lush, people mentioned other games where stewards were felt to be OTT. Why are you continuing to ignore them? It's not just one game, it's been several years.

[Foxes_Trust]

So one minute Lush is criticising us for being too close to the club & the next for criticising when not needed, so thanks Lush for proving us not guilty on both counts.

The members survey we carried out on stewarding asked a total of 10 questions, only one related to the Coventry game & in that case asked members if they saw anything & if so to give their account. All those accounts have now been forwarded to the club so they can be used as part of their enquiry.

Interesting as a response to another question 25% felt our stewards were worse than at other grounds (a third of responses didn't know due to not attending away games), just over a third felt the stewards were about the same, with less than 10% thinking our stewards are better. That indicates to us that some work is required in improving the relationship with fans.

The 'response' team was frequently criticised & their level of training questioned.

We don't want hatred of stewards, we want fans to be treated as customers, as many of the stewards at our stadium do, but there seem to be too many exceptions.

The meeting is not focused on individuals actions though, its about what 'flexibiliy' the stewards are allowed for periods of standing by the SAG. We want clear guidelines, agreed by fans, as to what is & isn't acceptable behaviour.

A clear guideline as to what punishment relates to which action in terms of length if ban, for the club to publicise there is an appeals procedure which we managed to get established last year following the banning of a poster on here, whose length of ban was reduced following the appeal.

These are all positive outcomes we are seeking from the meeting.

and finally, you are wrong, the consortium struggled to find the money & were still short with less than 1/2 hour of the deadline when the club would have folded. Without our £100k it would not have been saved. This is not FT spin, it has been stated directly to us by the consortium. We did not reveal this at the time as it would have damaged the new consortiums image & may have led to difficulties with suppliers. The club made this public about 5 months later during an FT open meeting.

[davieG]

I havnt been there for weeks. Whats the point "preaching" to the converted sensible souls. Might aswell try and make a difference with the uneducated here.

Hey, i tried, but if theres a riot because of hatred towards stewards, you`ll know where to look to find blame, the foxes trust and pablo etc.

I was being sarcastic, I think you'll find their opinion of the stewarding is much stronger than on here, so give it a try I may be wrong

[john_lcfc]

Lush some of us like to go footy to enjoy the footy and have a sing song and banter and we might swear but the stewards are being kill joys everyone knows it.

stop licking there arses. twat.

[lush]

Maybe thats why they are still reviewing the tapes, how can they make a judgement on Stewards or Police's wrongdoings without analysing the proof? How do you know the Foxes Trust would have told us anyway, the OS themselves are slow to report on things like transfers, price cuts etc Forest fans who caused trouble at LCFC were identified on CCTV a year after it happened.

Ok, fair point, it could take longer.

So it takes more than 2 weeks to analyze a five minute video tape as to whether or not an lcfc offical had done wrong? Are they watching it in ultra slow motion...come on folks, whatever happened is visible in a few hours of dedicated study, maybe even one day (we all know how long it takes to watch a replay, seconds) at most.

Then the evidence is brought forward to the police (if theres anything worth seeing). They`ll spend five days wondering what to do with it, and then charges may be brought.

So lets say a week, no lets double it, 2 weeks. So 2 weeks on, nothing spoken by either the police or lcfc.

Doesnt seem to me like any wrong doing happened, or have i missed something?

To Lisa, ok, lets hear the wrong doings of several years, if those wrong doings havnt been sorted? Things whereby lcfc officals have done WRONG, not what you think they`ve done wrong ok.

FT "So one minute Lush is criticising us for being too close to the club & the next for criticising when not needed"

Its not a problem of you getting too close as such, but licking lcfc ass when you get there is. Constructive critisim is great, uneducated critisim that encourages hatred to violence is very bad, and thats what you`ve been doing through your membership and beyond.

Did you ask fans what they thought of stewarding v southampton?

Had you asked them before the cov game, do you think 25% would`ve thought our stewards were worse than at other grounds? I would think the opposite atleast. Also, you might not be asking the ones more comfortable with them, but thats the way things go.

Ive never met anyone whos had a problem with a steward.

What the hell is the `response` team? Can they play football, cos we need some response-able players

You say there seems to be too many stewards not treating customers well enough. Isnt the key word there "seems". This is the active word here, and is being used (not willingly i know) to implement hatred mate. When your speaking on behalf of thousands of football fans, about authority figuers like stewards, you need to be sure of what your saying mate.

I remember hearing about how charlton fc could be closed down due to their fans standing too much. It seems its something fans arnt allowed to do too much. You will not change this rule of law at the meeting. How stupid are you, come on. Again, your winding up fan hysteria. You making fans think they can change the rules themselves, and when they cant, they`ll be angry at lcfc.

Why do you need to know a ban length. Do you want someone to spoon feed you aswell...abide by the laws, and you`ll be ok.

"the consortium struggled to find the money & were still short with less than 1/2 hour of the deadline when the club would have folded. Without our £100k it would not have been saved. This is not FT spin, it has been stated directly to us by the consortium."

You talk some right bollax, do you know that. You seriously think people like gary lineker wouldnt have put up another 100k. You`d do very well to get a sense of who and what you are. You spin like a pathetic politician. You talk like a clown at times, and the most worrying thing is, thousands think your great.

OMFP!

[lush]

Lush some of us like to go footy to enjoy the footy and have a sing song and banter and we might swear but the stewards are being kill joys everyone knows it.

Its not the stewards who created the rules, they just enforce them. I also like to swear, but if im told not to, i have a choice whether to carry on and get dealt with or shut up.

I choose to shut up when there near me, and its not nice. The only thing to do, is change the rules. How do we do that? And its not by going to this meeting...

[Foxes_Trust]

Its not the stewards who created the rules, they just enforce them. I also like to swear, but if im told not to, i have a choice whether to carry on and get dealt with or shut up.

I choose to shut up when there near me, and its not nice. The only thing to do, is change the rules. How do we do that? And its not by going to this meeting...

Wrong, a relaxation of the way the rules are applied can be achieved at the meeting

[lush]

Wrong, a relaxation of the way the rules are applied can be achieved at the meeting

So your going to tell lcfc to "relax" the laws? Have you got a description of this relaxation of law? If the club say no, what then?

[Foxes_Trust]

You talk some right bollax, do you know that. You seriously think people like gary lineker wouldnt have put up another 100k. You`d do very well to get a sense of who and what you are. You spin like a pathetic politician. You talk like a clown at times, and the most worrying thing is, thousands think your great.

OMFP!

Well it wasn't happening & they struggled. Since that dark day we have invested a further £50k & Sir Gary zero, so we have a sense of being the 13th largest shareholder in the club thanks.

As I stated previously, it wasn't us who made the statement it was other key consortium members.

Ok, fair point, it could take longer.

Its not a problem of you getting too close as such, but licking lcfc ass when you get there is. Constructive critisim is great, uneducated critisim that encourages hatred to violence is very bad, and thats what you`ve been doing through your membership and beyond.

Did you ask fans what they thought of stewarding v southampton?

Had you asked them before the cov game, do you think 25% would`ve thought our stewards were worse than at other grounds? I would think the opposite atleast. Also, you might not be asking the ones more comfortable with them, but thats the way things go.

Ive never met anyone whos had a problem with a steward.

What the hell is the `response` team? Can they play football, cos we need some response-able players

You say there seems to be too many stewards not treating customers well enough. Isnt the key word there "seems". This is the active word here, and is being used (not willingly i know) to implement hatred mate. When your speaking on behalf of thousands of football fans, about authority figuers like stewards, you need to be sure of what your saying mate.

I remember hearing about how charlton fc could be closed down due to their fans standing too much. It seems its something fans arnt allowed to do too much. You will not change this rule of law at the meeting. How stupid are you, come on. Again, your winding up fan hysteria. You making fans think they can change the rules themselves, and when they cant, they`ll be angry at lcfc.

Why do you need to know a ban length. Do you want someone to spoon feed you aswell...abide by the laws, and you`ll be ok.

'Seems' is based on our members feedback, there is an issue that needs attention by the club. Stewarding has a customer service element as well as enforcing the rules, from the feedback it is clear some have forgotten the former.

The level of tolerance to standing for periods varies greatly from ground to ground, ours has one of the least tolerant due to the local SAG leaning heavily on the club. The guy from Stand Up Sit Down will give examples at the meeting - but you just have to watch TV games to see what is allowed at other grounds

[lush]

Well it wasn't happening & they struggled. Since that dark day we have invested a further £50k & Sir Gary zero

'Seems' is based on our members feedback, there is an issue that needs attention by the club.

Stewarding has a customer service element as well as enforcing the rules, from the feedback it is clear some have forgotten the former.

The level of tolerance to standing for periods varies greatly from ground to ground, ours has one of the least tolerant due to the local SAG leaning heavily on the club. The guy from Stand Up Sit Down will give examples at the meeting - but you just have to watch TV games to see what is allowed at other grounds

You seriously think gary lineker or martin oneill or muzzy izzet etc etc etc etc wouldnt have come up with 100k to save the club between them, your DAFT!!

"sir" gary doesnt have to provide 50k after that dark cold day when you saved us from oblivion

There are sensible ways in which you cry for attention. If you new there was a bomb in the ground, you wouldnt blab your mouth off, you`d quietly tell authority, because its sensible and less chance of hurt.

Getting the word out that theres discord amongst how many thousands, is damaging to the wellbeing and safety of ALL concerned at the ground come matchday. You have prooved irresponsible, YET AGAIN.

"We don't want hatred of stewards, we want fans to be treated as customers, as many of the stewards at our stadium do, but there seem to be too many exceptions."

Then you say:

"Stewarding has a customer service element as well as enforcing the rules, from the feedback it is clear some have forgotten the former"

Were you a politician in a former life. You spin like a true modern day politician, deceive and dare i say discriminate. You have completely proven to all here in public that your NOT responsible enough in your position.

What does SAG stand for? Did it enter your brain that lcfc may well implement the standing law to its rule (for our safety), but other clubs dont? You may well be witnissing poor law abiders at other grounds.

[Mark]