Stadium atmosphere

[whoareyaaa]

4 hours ago, ShepshedFox1884 said:

It’s not been around long enough to be a failure and in terms of a section I think it’s very good I just think it’s let down by it being in the part of the ground around the most people who don’t give two shits about any atmosphere apart from when booing the ref. Needs more numbers to properly work though 

Move to L1 and K if there was one signing section and you keep growing it then the atmosphere will improve 

[ShepshedFox1884]

34 minutes ago, niyaminski said:

 

I personally feel that the drum adds a bit more to the chants.

 

Maybe UFS or whoever could do a 3 game trial without the drum though, as we won’t know if you’re right until we try.

 

Or maybe even move the drum along the kop and away from the section abit if the club would allow. Then those in SK2/3 could hear the chants itself as well as the drum, if what you’re saying about the vocals being inaudible is right.

The drum often gets people more involved as well though and I noticed against Everton someone else was drumming and when it got quiet would drum louder and it got more fans singing again 

[ShepshedFox1884]

37 minutes ago, worksopfox said:

What i don't understand is why do various sections of the ground insist on sing different songs at the same time.

Love them or loath them, but UFS are trying their best to create an atmosphere.

On behalf of the team, all the ground needs to be as one.

Make it intimidating for the opposition!!!

I think this is one of the biggest issues 

Last season I was sat in P1 and it was often shite but sometimes it was quite good with L1 and got quite noisy but the rest of the ground was still silent. Also while sat there you could only hear SK1 a handful of times a match and if you could it wasn’t loud enough that people wanted to join in. It’s just made an issue that we often have 2 sides of the stadium singing 2 different songs at the same time but don’t know each other are doing it because their isn’t enough people in each section for opposite sides of the ground to hear or want to join in with. I loved the idea of the section moving to where the family stand is and having one whole stand (like Southampton, Derby, Middlesbrough) or if UFS won’t move enough numbers to at least have a corner of SK1 and G1 as a designated singing section 

[HighPeakFox]

22 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Move to L1 and K if there was one signing section and you keep growing it then the atmosphere will improve 

Wouldn't it be rather quiet, but animated? 

[guest123]

49 minutes ago, worksopfox said:

What i don't understand is why do various sections of the ground insist on sing different songs at the same time.

Love them or loath them, but UFS are trying their best to create an atmosphere.

On behalf of the team, all the ground needs to be as one.

Make it intimidating for the opposition!!!

Because you can’t hear them in a lot of other parts of the ground

[guest123]

1 hour ago, 1884andforever said:

Thoughts below on:

-Home atmosphere

-Union FS/SK1 section 

-Reputation

 

Firstly, this will probably come across as a complete rant, but is meant to be constructive.

 

I would just be interested to see if people are on the same lines as me.  I personally think we have become an anomaly in terms of our home and away support, aside from numbers. Since the title win in particular, I think a lot of our fans lost an element of motivation and desire. It's strange because you would think it would fuel the motivation for more success but when you win the PL and reach the CL quarter-finals for a club like us, people sort of believed we had reached our pinnacle it seems. At home games, to me the main problem is everyone being separated out which makes it difficult to gain any real traction in terms of noise within the ground.

 

I don't think the section has been a complete failure and really like UFS in general, but it certainly hasn't worked as everyone had hoped either. It's too small and aside from the first 5 rows or so, there isn't enough noise from the rest within the section. But even then, it can't be heard on the other side of the ground and to be frank, when you have 20 lads clapping with their arms in the air at the front, when no one else joins in, it's not a good look, sorry. It doesn't give off the impression of a proper club, not that we're one of those anyway with clappers. We lack passion in the fanbase, that's the uncomfortable truth. I look at clubs like Villa, Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Wednesday, even Derby, they seem to have more passion and vocal support than we do, yet all fairly similar sized clubs.

 

We absolutely need a bigger presence near the away fans, L1 has been declining for years and obviously if the section moved to the opposite end both groups could supplement each other. Yes this was trialled once against Brighton in the cup a few years ago but is that really enough to show whether it can work or not? This obviously raises the safe standing topic but if there was a real desire for a change of location, the club might re-consider where safe standing goes. From what I gather, UFS aren't keen on this but it's not working where it is IMHO. Yes the Tifo issue also becomes apparent but do we want a potentially better atmosphere or a handful of Tifo's a season? (impressive Tifo's by the way).

 

The club quite obviously don't help things at all regarding working with UFS and other groups. On away games, I just don't get why it's like it is. Even on TV against Arsenal for example, Justin scores a belter to equalise at 2-2 and visually the celebrations look very average at best. Maybe it's the priority system I don't know. It just pains me how far standards have dropped since Filbert Street. We used to be a proper club, with a proper old style English atmosphere. Now it's European style chanting and a complete library. We aren't the only ones but it's like the soul has been ripped out the club.

 

Why can't everyone be in one place? Why can't it be more authentic? What's happened to us? Aside from Chelsea last season, it's few and far between in terms of seeing proper celebrations from our fans. Preston away was a rare W as an away end but that's all that comes to mind really. This isn't meant as a pop at UFS or anyone in particular but I just don't think the current configuration is working. I want us to be a force again, we can do it but it's gonna take some shift of thinking. However unlikely it may be from the club's side, I think the opposite end of the ground should at least be looked into for the good of the atmosphere, whether that's centrally behind that goal or in P block. We absolutely cannot rely on the alleged expansion to plan anything anymore, we need to improve it ASAP. 

Excellent post, and agree with most apart from the visual bit at Arsenal. I sit (stand) all over so have a better idea of the ground acoustics than most who’ve been in the same seat for years.

people go mardy when it’s said but p block is probably the best for traditional terrace culture, with everything being spontaneous etc, that’s where I’ve enjoyed it the most this season, despite cooper

[Lako42]

5 hours ago, iancognito said:

Not sure it's a failure when all the title celebrations last season were focussed on that corner, it's pretty much recognised as the noisiest section of the ground.

 

 

The section as a whole from front to back just doesn't exist.

 

The lads at at front are incredible and deserve all the credit the players gave them last season. 

 

When I talk of the section I mean the whole thing. 90% of it is atmosphere tourism. 

[Nolucklcfc]

Would be good to have another fans forum so we can get everyone in the room to talk about this. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, ShepshedFox1884 said:

I think this is one of the biggest issues 

Last season I was sat in P1 and it was often shite but sometimes it was quite good with L1 and got quite noisy but the rest of the ground was still silent. Also while sat there you could only hear SK1 a handful of times a match and if you could it wasn’t loud enough that people wanted to join in. It’s just made an issue that we often have 2 sides of the stadium singing 2 different songs at the same time but don’t know each other are doing it because their isn’t enough people in each section for opposite sides of the ground to hear or want to join in with. I loved the idea of the section moving to where the family stand is and having one whole stand (like Southampton, Derby, Middlesbrough) or if UFS won’t move enough numbers to at least have a corner of SK1 and G1 as a designated singing section 

It’s hard to create an atmosphere when you are miles away from the away fans and with two separate sections just make the east stand the signing section and keep growing it only way 

[Nolucklcfc]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

It’s hard to create an atmosphere when you are miles away from the away fans and with two separate sections just make the east stand the signing section and keep growing it only way 

I think it’s the issue with safe standing which isn’t likely to go into the east stand. 

[FoxesTalker]

As much as there is a lot of criticism with our fans, myself included in that, think it's important to make the point again about Preston away. That showed the level of support we can produce, and it's about a collective effort to replicate that more often away from home. 

[SemperEadem]

8 minutes ago, FoxesTalker said:

As much as there is a lot of criticism with our fans, myself included in that, think it's important to make the point again about Preston away. That showed the level of support we can produce, and it's about a collective effort to replicate that more often away from home. 

Thats all it ever boils down to. Effort.

You can’t hear songs - ask through the channels/a mate/look at the songbook

 

Want to sing but feel uncomfortable doing so where you are - ring the club and they will relocate you.

 

Want it to be a good atmosphere - sing

 

Unhappy with the status quo - join a supporters group/start your own/contact the club.

 

 

 

We can have huge nights like Preston and the atmosphere was fantastic, forget anything else that was because people went in a mindset that allowed them to join in with the singing.

Saturday in isolation- last ten was far better than anything before because at that moment far more thought yeah Im going to sing and then wallah.

Edited 7 October 2024 by SemperEadem

[MS0204]

14 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I think it’s the issue with safe standing which isn’t likely to go into the east stand. 

Some interesting new comments on this thread and totally agree with this, it will have to be behind the goal somewhere for it to be fullly effective as they won’t install safe standing in the East. 
 

14 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

It’s hard to create an atmosphere when you are miles away from the away fans and with two separate sections just make the east stand the signing section and keep growing it only way 

Sorry I don’t buy this for one second, it’s been mentioned before that being next to the away fans ain’t needed for a good atmosphere. I can list countless clubs which have their section of atmosphere at the opposite end, all that’s needed is the willingness and sadly that’s severely lacking for some unknown reason. 
 

someone above has mentioned the drum. Is the drum needed? I believe most definitely otherwise it will be as quiet as the aways are. With Preston being the exception let’s not think that anyone actually enjoys the atmospheres on the road. The section is definitely moving in the right direction at home though and I think over time improvements can be made with feedback.. 

I think if the lads shortened the amount of time a song was sung and changed it to something different then it might gain a better interest. 
People may not like the European vibe that’s been brought it. It’s just moving with the times and it’s something new and different. It won’t please everyone. 
A suggestion has been made to take the drum away for a trial to make it a more authentic atmosphere. I can only assume this person wasn’t in the section when the lads decided they wouldn’t sing the entire game a few months back? 
comments on foxestalk of “they just stood there and made no effort”.. I think people underestimate just how much effort these lads put in to get everyone going. If making a noise ain’t your thing, if seeing flags waving ain’t your thing, if generally watching the game without looking at social media or checking BBC results every couple of mins ain’t your thing then I’m baffled as to why people are booking in there? 

 
 

[Nolucklcfc]

17 hours ago, 1884andforever said:

Thoughts below on:

-Home atmosphere

-Union FS/SK1 section 

-Reputation

 

Firstly, this will probably come across as a complete rant, but is meant to be constructive.

 

I would just be interested to see if people are on the same lines as me.  I personally think we have become an anomaly in terms of our home and away support, aside from numbers. Since the title win in particular, I think a lot of our fans lost an element of motivation and desire. It's strange because you would think it would fuel the motivation for more success but when you win the PL and reach the CL quarter-finals for a club like us, people sort of believed we had reached our pinnacle it seems. At home games, to me the main problem is everyone being separated out which makes it difficult to gain any real traction in terms of noise within the ground.

 

I don't think the section has been a complete failure and really like UFS in general, but it certainly hasn't worked as everyone had hoped either. It's too small and aside from the first 5 rows or so, there isn't enough noise from the rest within the section. But even then, it can't be heard on the other side of the ground and to be frank, when you have 20 lads clapping with their arms in the air at the front, when no one else joins in, it's not a good look, sorry. It doesn't give off the impression of a proper club, not that we're one of those anyway with clappers. We lack passion in the fanbase, that's the uncomfortable truth. I look at clubs like Villa, Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Wednesday, even Derby, they seem to have more passion and vocal support than we do, yet all fairly similar sized clubs.

 

We absolutely need a bigger presence near the away fans, L1 has been declining for years and obviously if the section moved to the opposite end both groups could supplement each other. Yes this was trialled once against Brighton in the cup a few years ago but is that really enough to show whether it can work or not? This obviously raises the safe standing topic but if there was a real desire for a change of location, the club might re-consider where safe standing goes. From what I gather, UFS aren't keen on this but it's not working where it is IMHO. Yes the Tifo issue also becomes apparent but do we want a potentially better atmosphere or a handful of Tifo's a season? (impressive Tifo's by the way).

 

The club quite obviously don't help things at all regarding working with UFS and other groups. On away games, I just don't get why it's like it is. Even on TV against Arsenal for example, Justin scores a belter to equalise at 2-2 and visually the celebrations look very average at best. Maybe it's the priority system I don't know. It just pains me how far standards have dropped since Filbert Street. We used to be a proper club, with a proper old style English atmosphere. Now it's European style chanting and a complete library. We aren't the only ones but it's like the soul has been ripped out the club.

 

Why can't everyone be in one place? Why can't it be more authentic? What's happened to us? Aside from Chelsea last season, it's few and far between in terms of seeing proper celebrations from our fans. Preston away was a rare W as an away end but that's all that comes to mind really. This isn't meant as a pop at UFS or anyone in particular but I just don't think the current configuration is working. I want us to be a force again, we can do it but it's gonna take some shift of thinking. However unlikely it may be from the club's side, I think the opposite end of the ground should at least be looked into for the good of the atmosphere, whether that's centrally behind that goal or in P block. We absolutely cannot rely on the alleged expansion to plan anything anymore, we need to improve it ASAP. 

Some interesting points here and can completely I understand where you’re coming from. I don’t think moving the section is going to happen. I’ve spoken with a couple of the UFS boys about this and it’s not something that I think is realistic. I think the idea is to grow the section over time where it is and then hopefully safe standing is implemented in this part. The difficulty of course is growing the section which the club are completely reluctant to do. The European style isn’t for me either personally but it’s better than no noise I guess. Agree the fanbase lacks passion and it is sad to see that we don’t really compare to some of the clubs you mention there of similar size to us. I think ultimately it’s boils down to effort and that word passion again. If enough people genuinely care about making noise, they will do. The stadium move was poorly handled (shock horror) and that didn’t help. I think the most likely way the atmosphere at home improves is the section expands and hopefully you get better people in there. 

[Lako42]

15 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Some interesting points here and can completely I understand where you’re coming from. I don’t think moving the section is going to happen. I’ve spoken with a couple of the UFS boys about this and it’s not something that I think is realistic. I think the idea is to grow the section over time where it is and then hopefully safe standing is implemented in this part. The difficulty of course is growing the section which the club are completely reluctant to do. The European style isn’t for me either personally but it’s better than no noise I guess. Agree the fanbase lacks passion and it is sad to see that we don’t really compare to some of the clubs you mention there of similar size to us. I think ultimately it’s boils down to effort and that word passion again. If enough people genuinely care about making noise, they will do. The stadium move was poorly handled (shock horror) and that didn’t help. I think the most likely way the atmosphere at home improves is the section expands and hopefully you get better people in there. 

The difficulty isn't growing the section it's getting the right people in it. 

 

Front to back it's a large area and as I say 90% aren't interested. 

 

 

It's getting them to **** off and people who are interested to take their place. 

 

Making it bigger will just be a bigger area making it 95% of people contributing nothing. 

 

 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Lako42 said:

The difficulty isn't growing the section it's getting the right people in it. 

 

Front to back it's a large area and as I say 90% aren't interested. 

 

 

It's getting them to **** off and people who are interested to take their place. 

 

Making it bigger will just be a bigger area making it 95% of people contributing nothing. 

 

 

I'm not sure on the answer? Apart from someone signing a declaration that they'll sing all match. The section was open to new people joining so why aren't these new people that have moved in not singing?

[Lako42]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I'm not sure on the answer? Apart from someone signing a declaration that they'll sing all match. The section was open to new people joining so why aren't these new people that have moved in not singing?

Atmosphere tourists 

 

They want to be where the noise is but don't want to contribute

 

 

Also the club do absolutely nothing to tell matchday ticket purchasers that it is a 'singing section' 

[MS0204]

3 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I'm not sure on the answer? Apart from someone signing a declaration that they'll sing all match. The section was open to new people joining so why aren't these new people that have moved in not singing?

You could be onto something.. ejection without refund 

[guest123]

39 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Atmosphere tourists 

 

They want to be where the noise is but don't want to contribute

 

 

Also the club do absolutely nothing to tell matchday ticket purchasers that it is a 'singing section' 

Yes they do, it’s highlighted as the singing section when you look at sk1 area to buy

[Trekerz]

I am not the biggest fan of the european style atmosphere too but like someone else said, i would much much rather be in that section than anywhere else around the ground however tbh i have begun to start missing games as i just don't feel all too excited for them. The club really do need a serious shake up in promoting the section and actively look to increase it or i feel like it'll just come to a halt. Until there is a proper "end" in our ground where fans know they can buy tickets in and everyone will be standing, we ain't got a chance sadly

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

The difficulty isn't growing the section it's getting the right people in it. 

 

Front to back it's a large area and as I say 90% aren't interested. 

 

 

It's getting them to **** off and people who are interested to take their place. 

 

Making it bigger will just be a bigger area making it 95% of people contributing nothing. 

 

 

Don’t disagree. I personally think a lot of people have stayed in there from before the section was there and that’s a big issue. 

[00rawat]

On 07/10/2024 at 12:05, Lako42 said:

The difficulty isn't growing the section it's getting the right people in it. 

 

Front to back it's a large area and as I say 90% aren't interested. 

 

 

It's getting them to **** off and people who are interested to take their place. 

 

Making it bigger will just be a bigger area making it 95% of people contributing nothing. 

 

 

Exactly this is the biggest problem we have, it will never get better until the season holders who don't sing in the section move out,but that will never happen so it's stuck in a horrible cycle, for instance I wanted to get a season ticket  near ufs or near them but couldn't, for obvious meaning I had to go elsewhere, bet loads of people had to do that as well, that's another problem as well everyone that's wants to sing are in different parts of the stadium thanks to the club,so annoying!!!

Edited 8 October 2024 by 00rawat

[ShepshedFox1884]

27 minutes ago, 00rawat said:

Exactly this is the biggest problem we have, it will never get better until the season holders who don't sing in the section move out,but that will never happen so it's stuck in a horrible cycle, for instance I wanted to get a season ticket  near ufo or near them but couldn't, for obvious meaning I had to go elsewhere, bet loads of people had to do that as well, that's another problem as well everyone that's wants to sing are in different parts of the stadium thanks to the club,so annoying!!!

You don’t have to be in the section to enjoy, I wish I was in there as well but since I couldn’t get relocated there I went to G1 which has still been fantastic so far 

[grobyfox1990]

4 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Atmosphere tourists 

 

They want to be where the noise is but don't want to contribute

 

 

Also the club do absolutely nothing to tell matchday ticket purchasers that it is a 'singing section' 

There's a massive red outlined area around the section on the website which says SINGING SECTION before you can buy a ticket there.

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

There's a massive red outlined area around the section on the website which says SINGING SECTION before you can buy a ticket there.

That's new since I looked then