Away Points?

[Robo61]

40 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The decision will already have been made as to what they're going to change it to btw.

That is certainly not the impression they gave, though they certainly had an outline of what any future scheme would look like.

 

Lets be honest whatever they do, a good number of fans will not like it because in their eyes the club cannot do anything right at the moment.

[MS0204]

They would surely have to start a new scheme where everyone starts on zero.. otherwise new joining st holders won’t even have a sniff at tickets.. 

 

also too to get rid of the members ballot Is simply taking every incentive away from being a member.. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

16 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

That is certainly not the impression they gave, though they certainly had an outline of what any future scheme would look like.

 

Lets be honest whatever they do, a good number of fans will not like it because in their eyes the club cannot do anything right at the moment.

They do a decent job of putting a facade on, but it will already have been decided.

 

At least it's being changed, it's long overdue. No doubt they'll get resistance from Ginetta and their mob as usual.

[Robo61]

12 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

They would surely have to start a new scheme where everyone starts on zero.. otherwise new joining st holders won’t even have a sniff at tickets.. 

 

also too to get rid of the members ballot Is simply taking every incentive away from being a member.. 

Why would everyone need to start on zero? The club have data from the last 10 years so can easily restart any rolling period using that data.

[Rodney Fern_8]

5 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Why would everyone need to start on zero? The club have data from the last 10 years so can easily restart any rolling period using that data.

Correct. I can confirm the discussions at the meeting was definately not to 'start on zero' but to have a rolling period, over a number of years still to be decided. 

 

This, as i understand it, is how the England system works.

[Rodney Fern_8]

58 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

They do a decent job of putting a facade on, but it will already have been decided.

 

At least it's being changed, it's long overdue. No doubt they'll get resistance from Ginetta and their mob as usual.

I do not believe any decisions have been made, they are listening to the supporters.

 

Please share your views with the club via a email.

[MS0204]

17 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Why would everyone need to start on zero? The club have data from the last 10 years so can easily restart any rolling period using that data.

 

9 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

Correct. I can confirm the discussions at the meeting was definately not to 'start on zero' but to have a rolling period, over a number of years still to be decided. 

 

This, as i understand it, is how the England system works.

I ain’t a st holder so feel free to call me slow but how is this method (apart from the I’d checks on a couple of hundred) going to work so everyone has a fairer chance.. 

 

I have no clue also on the England situation because I would never have any intention on flying to another country to watch the national team.. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, MS0204 said:

They would surely have to start a new scheme where everyone starts on zero.. otherwise new joining st holders won’t even have a sniff at tickets.. 

 

also too to get rid of the members ballot Is simply taking every incentive away from being a member.. 

They'll still be an all season ticket holders bracket, and they should be able to get a few away tickets, which will then push them up the priority for the season after.

 

Members away points would still count as well I imagine, so most new joining st holders will start on some.

[Robo61]

12 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

 

I ain’t a st holder so feel free to call me slow but how is this method (apart from the I’d checks on a couple of hundred) going to work so everyone has a fairer chance.. 

 

I have no clue also on the England situation because I would never have any intention on flying to another country to watch the national team.. 

Not sure what you mean by a fairer chance.   ST holders will, and rightly so, always have first dibs,  anything else would be unfair on those who committ to going to 19+ games a season.  

[MS0204]

2 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Not sure what you mean by a fairer chance.   ST holders will, and rightly so, always have first dibs,  anything else would be unfair on those who committ to going to 19+ games a season.  

Absolutely and always believed that.. I just selfishly hope they don’t make it such a closed shop that it’s impossible to get tickets. Scrapping the 50 points a season and adding a point per game is going to make getting tickets legitimately impossible. And yes I will/ do currently travel midweek to the clubs to get a point, but still

May be different next season should they be in the championship but I doubt it based on last seasons ticketing arrangements. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

8 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Absolutely and always believed that.. I just selfishly hope they don’t make it such a closed shop that it’s impossible to get tickets. Scrapping the 50 points a season and adding a point per game is going to make getting tickets legitimately impossible. And yes I will/ do currently travel midweek to the clubs to get a point, but still

May be different next season should they be in the championship but I doubt it based on last seasons ticketing arrangements. 

They'll reduce the 50 points per season and any current ST points will be gotten rid of or reduced, so everyone will lose 50 points or the 50 points will be reduced to say 20.

 

These systems work much better at other clubs, ours is a decade behind and essentially a closed shop, especially for the bigger games.

[The boy Linacre]

14 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

They'll reduce the 50 points per season and any current ST points will be gotten rid of or reduced, so everyone will lose 50 points or the 50 points will be reduced to say 20.

 

These systems work much better at other clubs, ours is a decade behind and essentially a closed shop, especially for the bigger games.

I did get an invite and then forgot to attend, so annoyed with myself.  BUT as I said I've been on both sides, didn't have many points from the start, so just had to do the hard yards on aways, been to about 60 over the last 6-7 season, so have now got up to 570+, but bad timing meant I didn't have enough to go to the FA Cup final.  Couldn't get to Forest in the Cup, never Brentford our Bournemouth.

But for me, the 50pts for home ST has always been an issue, they're getting a massive reward for NOT going to away games, thats why I couldn't get to the Cup Final, think I had already done 20-30 aways to that point, but didn't have more than 401/2 at that point.

So an Away tickets should be worth 3-4 pts IF they continue with the 50pts, if they reduce that 50 in some away IF you go to every away you could prospectively get more than the home 50pts, so 19 aways=57pts for example.  They are then being rewarded and actually gaining benefit from going to AWAY games.  Which is how it should work.

They probably need to redress over 2 seasons, to clear everybody down to 0 would probably be a bit mad.

[Robo61]

28 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Absolutely and always believed that.. I just selfishly hope they don’t make it such a closed shop that it’s impossible to get tickets. Scrapping the 50 points a season and adding a point per game is going to make getting tickets legitimately impossible. And yes I will/ do currently travel midweek to the clubs to get a point, but still

May be different next season should they be in the championship but I doubt it based on last seasons ticketing arrangements. 

It's currently a closed shop and those at the meeting representing the club recognised that. By reducing the number of points for ST holders and the number of years qualifying will increase turnover of those moving in/out of the top priority groups. Giving bonus points for midweek less popular games will incentivise those at the bottom of the food chain, by giving them a chance of moving up that chain.

 

Would love to hear you proposals make things fairer.

[CosbehFox]

I don't think it would be confidential for me to say I came up with a proposal to pass on via the Trust. 

 

It has been said to them that this needs proper notice and consultation. Rather than pushing through, give it a few months because there are legitimate points for consideration. This includes having a consultation meeting with the fan groups. 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

It's currently a closed shop and those at the meeting representing the club recognised that. By reducing the number of points for ST holders and the number of years qualifying will increase turnover of those moving in/out of the top priority groups. Giving bonus points for midweek less popular games will incentivise those at the bottom of the food chain, by giving them a chance of moving up that chain.

 

Would love to hear you proposals make things fairer.

The only issue I have with this is that it works against kids. 

 

There is a point that can't be argued at the moment regards collection because the data is saying there is an issue. 

 

However,t I have a real problem with the notion given that most people have to book travel to fixtures subject to TV selections (EFL next season - we will play a lot of games at 1230) and they don't know they've been selected for selection/check until after they have booked travel/purchased tickets. 

[CosbehFox]

I think there is also an argument that it should include home games

[Robo61]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

The only issue I have with this is that it works against kids. 

 

There is a point that can't be argued at the moment regards collection because the data is saying there is an issue. 

 

However,t I have a real problem with the notion given that most people have to book travel to fixtures subject to TV selections (EFL next season - we will play a lot of games at 1230) and they don't know they've been selected for selection/check until after they have booked travel/purchased tickets. 

Which is one of the reasons they said they were considering allowing fans to return tickets.  Also recognising that peoples lives change between purchase and day of match.

[Robo61]

4 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I think there is also an argument that it should include home games

I agree, don't at all understand why we have seperate home & away accounts.

 

[CosbehFox]

25 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

I agree, don't at all understand why we have seperate home & away accounts.

 

Would reward people happy to do the yards with unattractive midweek games and cup fixtures 

[Rodney Fern_8]

3 hours ago, MS0204 said:

 

I ain’t a st holder so feel free to call me slow but how is this method (apart from the I’d checks on a couple of hundred) going to work so everyone has a fairer chance.. 

 

I have no clue also on the England situation because I would never have any intention on flying to another country to watch the national team.. 

When the ID checks were introduced the number of tickets that filtered down through the priority system increased and were subsequently made available to those further down the away ticket priority system.

 

This was due as some of those with a higher priority stopped buying tickets only to keep up their priority but with the aim of selling them.

 

Bottom Line: ID checks, with sanctions applied for those who abuse the system, will increase the likelihood of the tickets filtering down to members.

 

I hope that make sense.

[MS0204]

33 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

When the ID checks were introduced the number of tickets that filtered down through the priority system increased and were subsequently made available to those further down the away ticket priority system.

 

This was due as some of those with a higher priority stopped buying tickets only to keep up their priority but with the aim of selling them.

 

Bottom Line: ID checks, with sanctions applied for those who abuse the system, will increase the likelihood of the tickets filtering down to members.

 

I hope that make sense.

Thanks for that, I get you, so it’s basically as it was before. 
 

Was the Id thing a success last time out and was there a reduction in trouble at the games? My memory is so bad I can’t even remember when that was? Was it last season? 
 

 

[Robo61]

6 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Thanks for that, I get you, so it’s basically as it was before. 
 

Was the Id thing a success last time out and was there a reduction in trouble at the games? My memory is so bad I can’t even remember when that was? Was it last season? 
 

 

It was the season before last.  Jim stated at the meeting that during that period,  the points needed to successfully get a ticket did go down,  so did give opportunities to some that would not have legitimately been able to get a ticket.  He didn't say whether there was a reduction in trouble at games,  but did say they did have a number of tickets go completely unused at there were a number  simply not turn up to collect their ticket.  While it would be possible to ban people doing this in future from getting tickets,  its not that easy as people simply come up with "genuine" reasons they may not have been able to collect their ticket.  That's why we need to this to go in step with an away ticket returns policy.  Even that's not foolproof though as some will purchase a ticket with the intention of passing it on,  then simply say they cannot attend once selected for ticket collection. 

 

 

[Rodney Fern_8]

28 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Thanks for that, I get you, so it’s basically as it was before. 
 

Was the Id thing a success last time out and was there a reduction in trouble at the games? My memory is so bad I can’t even remember when that was? Was it last season? 
 

 

It was a success in regards to tickets filtering down through the away proirity hierachy.

 

Not sure if it reduced trouble. However trouble is not limited to non-ST holders / non-members.

 

I sure some ST holder and members can also cause trouble but they would face the potential of the removal of their ST/Membership.

 

I'm speaking as a ST holder but one who hasn't been 'detained' since Norwich Away in 1973!! 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, MS0204 said:

Thanks for that, I get you, so it’s basically as it was before. 
 

Was the Id thing a success last time out and was there a reduction in trouble at the games? My memory is so bad I can’t even remember when that was? Was it last season? 
 

 

That’s the big question. Are these people who get arrested just fans further down the pecking order who would get tickets in the new system? 
 

Equally slightly stepping away why does a fanbase whom are incredibly placid on the whole have some of the highest club bans in the country (and arrests?)

 

Would it be bevause  the club have bizarrely gone heavy on providing LCFC stewards in away ends ? 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

That’s the big question. Are these people who get arrested just fans further down the pecking order who would get tickets in the new system? 
 

Equally slightly stepping away why does a fanbase whom are incredibly placid on the whole have some of the highest club bans in the country (and arrests?)

 

Would it be bevause  the club have bizarrely gone heavy on providing LCFC stewards in away ends ? 

I guess some might be, but that is not the point really is it. If the club and its fans wishes to reward loyalty in its away allocation, then the system needs to be robust.

 

If you wish to discuss stawarding, can I suggest you start a new thread.