Mark Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 I think its very hard. http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/features/11plus/index.shtml I got 29 out of 50, and the last section confused the shit out of me.
Sir JJ Wilcox Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 got 47 but it took a while i'm sure it wasn't that hard when i was at school
Collymore Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 43 -50 had to leave the last 5 though, got to go out!
Collymore Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 the trick with most of the code ones is to do them backwards, cause the exam setters make them unique that way round so you can see quickly which one it is! lazy bastards!
Stuliasz Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Got 45, and I agree with you mr c, the last section is ridiculous. Took me longer to do the last 5 questions than the rest of the test. Very hard for 11+ tho.
Samu Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally This is one of the questions I got and for the life of me I can't see how any of the statements are possibly true. Robert obviously has 8, Sally must have 12 which would mean Simone has 20, being half the total. But that doesn't fit in with any of the statements. Damn test!
toonboy Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally This is one of the questions I got and for the life of me I can't see how any of the statements are possibly true. Robert obviously has 8, Sally must have 12 which would mean Simone has 20, being half the total. But that doesn't fit in with any of the statements. Damn test! That's exactly what i thought so i just guessed in the end. I got 36 i think, something like that. Not a proper test anyway <_<
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Your Final Score: 48 out of 50A excellent score Have another go? I enjoyed that actually, good find mr c. Made me think a fair bit, i think i know one of the ones i got wrong, it was about Simone and how any gold stars he had, i worked out that NONE of the answers could work so had to guess
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally ---------------------------------------------- Therefore Robert has 8 Sally has 8+4 = 12 Simone has 'half n' - ( n = half of the total) So i tried proving the situations... A The children have 30 gold stars between them Therefore if Simone has half n, she must have half of 30 = 15. But 15 + Robs 8 and sallys 12 = 35 not the 30 suggested B Simone has the same number as Robert Therefore Simone has 8. Therefore the total must be twice Simone => 2x8=16 But 8+8+12=28 C Sally has more than Simone Try all values of x<12 and you'll find none work as the statement suggests. E.g. using 6... 6 means total of 12, but 8+12+6=26? Never equals for any value from 1 to 12 D Simone has 30 gold stars Therefore total of 60 stars. But 12+8+30=50 E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally Therefore Simone has 12x5=60. Therefore 120 in total. But 60+12+8=80 So....WHAT?
toonboy Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally ---------------------------------------------- Therefore Robert has 8 Sally has 8+4 = 12 Simone has 'half n' - ( n = half of the total) So i tried proving the situations... A The children have 30 gold stars between them Therefore if Simone has half n, she must have half of 30 = 15. But 15 + Robs 8 and sallys 12 = 35 not the 30 suggested B Simone has the same number as Robert Therefore Simone has 8. Therefore the total must be twice Simone => 2x8=16 But 8+8+12=28 C Sally has more than Simone Try all values of x<12 and you'll find none work as the statement suggests. E.g. using 6... 6 means total of 12, but 8+12+6=26? Never equals for any value from 1 to 12 D Simone has 30 gold stars Therefore total of 60 stars. But 12+8+30=50 E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally Therefore Simone has 12x5=60. Therefore 120 in total. But 60+12+8=80 So....WHAT? It says IF, I think the statement is untrue and is just there to be a barstard
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 yea but it also says, if it is true, one must work. So you have to assume the information is right. Otherwise you could say any of them work due to some random law of maths
City Fan Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Guessed the last section completely and a section earlier on so got 34 out of 50 which is average!
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Guessed the last section completely and a section earlier on so got 34 out of 50 which is average! It's something you either see or don't. I actually figured it out the same way i do sudoku, cancelling out what can't be until your left with the only answer. When you work out the codes (the hard part) , they are 6 easy marks its just like reading the treasure codes u get on the back of cereal boxes.
Samu Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally ---------------------------------------------- Therefore Robert has 8 Sally has 8+4 = 12 Simone has 'half n' - ( n = half of the total) So i tried proving the situations... A The children have 30 gold stars between them Therefore if Simone has half n, she must have half of 30 = 15. But 15 + Robs 8 and sallys 12 = 35 not the 30 suggested B Simone has the same number as Robert Therefore Simone has 8. Therefore the total must be twice Simone => 2x8=16 But 8+8+12=28 C Sally has more than Simone Try all values of x<12 and you'll find none work as the statement suggests. E.g. using 6... 6 means total of 12, but 8+12+6=26? Never equals for any value from 1 to 12 D Simone has 30 gold stars Therefore total of 60 stars. But 12+8+30=50 E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally Therefore Simone has 12x5=60. Therefore 120 in total. But 60+12+8=80 So....WHAT? Haha I tried everything possible to find an answer, it annoyed me for so long I like Maths questions like that though
City Fan Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally This is one of the questions I got and for the life of me I can't see how any of the statements are possibly true. Robert obviously has 8, Sally must have 12 which would mean Simone has 20, being half the total. But that doesn't fit in with any of the statements. Damn test! It might be down to something in the wording of the answers. B and C doesn't specify "gold stars".
C-man Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 7 7. One word, which is in CAPITALS, has had three consectutive letters taken out. These three letters will make one correctly spelt word without changing the order. Select the correct thee letter word I think the writer of that question must have failed their 11+
Macca4lcfc Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally This is one of the questions I got and for the life of me I can't see how any of the statements are possibly true. Robert obviously has 8, Sally must have 12 which would mean Simone has 20, being half the total. But that doesn't fit in with any of the statements. Damn test! isnt that 1 - robert has 8, sally has 4 more so so she has 12 which makes a total of 20 - simone has half of the total number which would give him 10 - this would make statement A true?
Knighton Matt Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Question 37 37. In Mrs Thompson's class three children have a number of gold stars between them. Robert has 8. Simone has half of the total number. Sally has 4 more than Robert. If this statement is true, only one of the sentences is true. Select the correct one. A The children have 30 gold stars between them B Simone has the same number as Robert C Sally has more than Simone D Simone has 30 gold stars E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally ---------------------------------------------- Therefore Robert has 8 Sally has 8+4 = 12 Simone has 'half n' - ( n = half of the total) So i tried proving the situations... A The children have 30 gold stars between them Therefore if Simone has half n, she must have half of 30 = 15. But 15 + Robs 8 and sallys 12 = 35 not the 30 suggested B Simone has the same number as Robert Therefore Simone has 8. Therefore the total must be twice Simone => 2x8=16 But 8+8+12=28 C Sally has more than Simone Try all values of x<12 and you'll find none work as the statement suggests. E.g. using 6... 6 means total of 12, but 8+12+6=26? Never equals for any value from 1 to 12 D Simone has 30 gold stars Therefore total of 60 stars. But 12+8+30=50 E Simone has five times as many gold stars as Sally Therefore Simone has 12x5=60. Therefore 120 in total. But 60+12+8=80 So....WHAT? You got the right answer Benji! The question says IF the statement is true and as you rightly point out the equation does not hold for all values less than 12 which is the amount that Sally has which is given in the question (8+4) Therefore for the equation to hold x must be greater than 12 and thus Sally must have more gold stars than Simone and the answer is therefore c!
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 You got the right answer Benji! The question says IF the statement is true and as you rightly point out the equation does not hold for all values less than 12 which is the amount that Sally has which is given in the question (8+4) Therefore for the equation to hold x must be greater than 12 and thus Sally must have more gold stars than Simone and the answer is therefore c! You've lost me, sorry! Macca might actually be right, the part that isn't clear is the description of simones amount, it reads as though she has half of the whole number of gold stars, but maybe it does mean the total number of sallys and robs i dunno , they say examiners aren't out there to trick you, i think that's bollocks tbh
Knighton Matt Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 You've lost me, sorry! Macca might actually be right, the part that isn't clear is the description of simones amount, it reads as though she has half of the whole number of gold stars, but maybe it does mean the total number of sallys and robs i dunno , they say examiners aren't out there to trick you, i think that's bollocks tbh for the statement to be true the following equation must hold: 8 + x/2 + 12 = x where x is the total population as you rightly point out the equation does not hold for all values of x/2 less than 12. therefore if x/2 is not less than 12 then answer c is correct, given that the statement in the question is true!
Benji Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 But the statement for C is: Sally has more than Simone Then if x cannot be less than 12, Simone MUST have more than sally... So the C is false?
Blue Arrow Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 Your Final Score: 33 out of 50 An average score
Ultra Posted 29 December 2005 Posted 29 December 2005 I got 41. But I got bored halfway through. And I can see how the test may be slanted in favour of those who may have been "coached" in such tests! Anyway, I passed the original 11+ when it was still going in Leicester, so that's good enough for me!
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