Foxes1884 Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 I believe if Rob is to be given the managers job full time a director of football would be required. This would be to help out by dealing with all the paper work allowing Rob to concentrate on what he loves coaching. I can think of a few I wouldn’t want near the club i.e. Bassett and Pleat. So who is there to fill this role? Any ideas?
davieG Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 I believe if Rob is to be given the managers job full time a director of football would be required. This would be to help out by dealing with all the paper work allowing Rob to concentrate on what he loves coaching. I can think of a few I wouldn't want near the club i.e. Bassett and Pleat. So who is there to fill this role? Any ideas? Why do you want to pay someone £100k a year to do paperwork? The title should be DOFA Just exactly why do we need this role? Coaching, Team Selection and Tactics = Manager and coaches New players = Manager Scouting = Scouts Offering advice = Managers' mates and contacts for free. Reserves = reserve Team Coach Academy = Academy Manager/Director. To sum up The Manager = Director of football Anyone else is just an expensive clerk Or simple put No Thanks
Foxes1884 Posted 23 February 2006 Author Posted 23 February 2006 Why do you want to pay someone £100k a year to do paperwork? The title should be DOFA Just exactly why do we need this role? Coaching, Team Selection and Tactics = Manager and coaches New players = Manager Scouting = Scouts Offering advice = Managers' mates and contacts for free. Reserves = reserve Team Coach Academy = Academy Manager/Director. To sum up The Manager = Director of football Anyone else is just an expensive clerk Or simple put No Thanks I can see your point but MON was very rarely seen on the training pitch. Does this mean he sat in his office all day playing solitaire?
davieG Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 I can see your point but MON was very rarely seen on the training pitch. Does this mean he sat in his office all day playing solitaire? That's because he was the Director of Football and let his coaches coach. They all have different methods, but I'm not aware of any successful DOF/Manager combinations. You can only have one boss.
mat_j101 Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 Arnesen and Jol (until Arnesen left). Id say that was relatively good.
Foxes1884 Posted 23 February 2006 Author Posted 23 February 2006 That's because he was the Director of Football and let his coaches coach. They all have different methods, but I'm not aware of any successful DOF/Manager combinations. You can only have one boss. On the continent a director of football and coach combination is common. The coach being in definition a manager. The coach/manager must always be the boss but his place is where Rob enjoys being, on the training pitch. I believe spurs have a similar set up and don't think anyone can deny Jol is the boss. I have no doubt that like the rest of life paperwork undoubtedly gets in the way, I would also expect agents and fellow mangers are constantly on the phone about players and the media are always out for an interview. All this distracts from time on the training pitch but someone has to do it. I think we disagree on the amount of time this would all take and so whether there is the need for an extra employee.
davieG Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 On the continent a director of football and coach combination is common. The coach being in definition a manager. The coach/manager must always be the boss but his place is where Rob enjoys being, on the training pitch. I believe spurs have a similar set up and don't think anyone can deny Jol is the boss. I have no doubt that like the rest of life paperwork undoubtedly gets in the way, I would also expect agents and fellow mangers are constantly on the phone about players and the media are always out for an interview. All this distracts from time on the training pitch but someone has to do it. I think we disagree on the amount of time this would all take and so whether there is the need for an extra employee. How long are players on the pitch during a normal week?
Foxes1884 Posted 23 February 2006 Author Posted 23 February 2006 How long are players on the pitch during a normal week? About the same as I am in the car getting to and from work
Ive got the blues Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 That's because he was the Director of Football and let his coaches coach. They all have different methods, but I'm not aware of any successful DOF/Manager combinations. You can only have one boss. anything Ajax has won is under that situation as is the very succesful PSV and also Spurs modern setup is run this way, I think the original post was implying that maybe Rob Kelly should be doing what he is good at - coaching and picking the side, maybe another person is needed to get the players that Rob kelly has highlighted and to manage all of the above people mentioned, it is okay having different people doing different jobs put they all have to be pulling in the same direction that the manager wishes, its common management to have someone oversee all of the staff.
davieG Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 anything Ajax has won is under that situation as is the very succesful PSV and also Spurs modern setup is run this way, I think the original post was implying that maybe Rob Kelly should be doing what he is good at - coaching and picking the side, maybe another person is needed to get the players that Rob kelly has highlighted and to manage all of the above people mentioned, it is okay having different people doing different jobs put they all have to be pulling in the same direction that the manager wishes, its common management to have someone oversee all of the staff. Which direction are they pulling in though? The Managers or the DOFs, who has the final say. Plus is it really worth paying someone like Bassett £100K/year? We're not a big club!
Ive got the blues Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 Which direction are they pulling in though? The Managers or the DOFs, who has the final say. Plus is it really worth paying someone like Bassett £100K/year? We're not a big club! where has the 100k figure come from, thin air!! also as in the spurs setup Jol is clearly the boss (like the previous post said) Rob Kelly would be boss, thats the only way it works, the reason it hurt portsmouth so much was because someone was brought in that jepodised Harry's position so he left (as what also happend at southampton with the Rugby manager (cant beleave i have forgot his name!!)) if one is appointed it would be up to Rob Kelly who its is and what role he would play.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 I have touched on this idea in the form of a Director of Football Development but there may be internal candidates most suited should such a role arise. It seems to me that people like Jon Rudkin and Steve Beaglehole have played huge parts in bringing a lot of players through at a rapid rate of knots.
l444ry Posted 23 February 2006 Posted 23 February 2006 Arnesen and Jol (until Arnesen left). Id say that was relatively good. But not Arnesen and Santini......
lookwhaticando Posted 24 February 2006 Posted 24 February 2006 Can't afford one, don't need one. Let's assume Rob Kelly works his magic for the rest of the season and Tim Davies and the board decide that he's the man for the job into the future. Now suppose the coach we just hired, Graydon was to stay on. Who's to say Graydon couldn't lend a hand in paperwork, transfer dealings et al - he was a manager himself once, so he knows a trick or two about all that good stuff. Why pay for a useless level of management, when you can just get an experienced hand to assist in the matter instead? A Director of Football is one salary we could do without paying, for another thing.
Ric Flair Posted 24 February 2006 Posted 24 February 2006 Can't afford one, don't need one. Let's assume Rob Kelly works his magic for the rest of the season and Tim Davies and the board decide that he's the man for the job into the future. Now suppose the coach we just hired, Graydon was to stay on. Who's to say Graydon couldn't lend a hand in paperwork, transfer dealings et al - he was a manager himself once, so he knows a trick or two about all that good stuff. Why pay for a useless level of management, when you can just get an experienced hand to assist in the matter instead? A Director of Football is one salary we could do without paying, for another thing. Agreed! This club doesn't need and won't benefit from publicly announcing a 'Director of Football' especially if it's a so called big name. That's when the media get to work on causing unrest if it sells papers. Rob Kelly seems to know what he's doing. If he keeps us up this season and carries on this improvement we've seen then he should get the job as manager full-time. I'm sure the club and Rob Kelly will be aware of what improvements they could make to ensure the club progresses and that might mean bringing in some more coaching staff like they have done with Graydon. To me, he sounds like the perfect type of coach to help not only on the training pitch but also off field with the above tasks people have described. Being a manager is hectic work, but with the required help it's managable. Everyone at the club can chip in to help out, the most important thing is to keep the team spirit up and the belief that this club can make the step up.
surrifox Posted 24 February 2006 Posted 24 February 2006 Couldn't agree more- certainly the Adams/Bassett set up was an odd one ( I believe DB was made a director) By the way "Beaglehole" - that's certainly an unusual name isn't it.
Guest Posted 24 February 2006 Posted 24 February 2006 I think it's been inferred that Kelly doesn't like the admin side of the job. Whilst a DOF would seem like the obvious way forward, why not get an assistant manager instead who is happy with that side of things? It would be ideal for someone who may not have the necessary experience to manage a club, but wants to get a foot on the ladder. That way you get someone ambitious, young(ish) and cheap.
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