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[Manwell Pablo]

Why wait til next season to put him in the squad when he's the most dangerous winger we've got?

Chambers hasn't got a squad number either but far worse players have.

IS HE THOUGH, IS HE REALLY! NO!!

You'd of thought the level of sense show by our management regarding our youth players, and the amount of young players we have devleoped here. would show you that actually you can trust them to play the right players at the right time!

[Thracian]

I agree but with a midfield like that, the defenders will have enough work to do defending. With more attack-minded players in the midfield they should be looking to play attackingly anyway, taking up positions higher up the pitch and Porter and Hume in particular being encouraged to run from deep. When the ball is played out of defence then those four midfielders should be better at retaining possession, enabling the defence to push up and force play higher up the pitch. In theory, at least. Personally I wouldn't have McCarthy in the side as I think our best chance of giving the midfield a platform is to play Kenton and Kisnorbo in central defence and encourage them to bring the ball out/give the simple pass rather than just hoofing it needlessly up to O'Grady as happened time and time again in the Southend game. Stearman has to prove he can both bring the ball out of defence and support attacks too. That's all conjecture anyway as McCarthy will be in the side all season.

I'd be quite interested to see Kenton/Kisnorbo for the reason you mention but I'd never have Hughes on the right of midfield.

He's been there before and has never impressed any more than Maybury and to leave a genuine winger out as a result, whether Low or Gradel, would make it even harder for our strikers and would be another man out of position.

Hughes only contests central midfield where he engine comes in useful but he's got serious competition there from Weso, Williams and especially Porter if we had another left winger?

[Fez of Mahrez]

I'd be quite interested to see Kenton/Kisnorbo for the reason you mention but I'd never have Hughes on the right of midfield.

He's been there before and has never impressed any more than Maybury and to leave a genuine winger out as a result, whether Low or Gradel, would make it even harder for our strikers and would be another man out of position.

Hughes only contests central midfield where he engine comes in useful but he's got serious competition there from Weso, Williams and especially Porter if we had another left winger?

Each to their own. Personally I think Low is a barrel of shite and Gradel is a reserve I've only seen a few highlights of so I can only go for Hughes. Hughes scored some important goals from the right side of midfield last season and he has that defence-splitting pass as well as being able to tuck into midfield to help out Weso and others.

[Thracian]

Each to their own. Personally I think Low is a barrel of shite and Gradel is a reserve I've only seen a few highlights of so I can only go for Hughes. Hughes scored some important goals from the right side of midfield last season and he has that defence-splitting pass as well as being able to tuck into midfield to help out Weso and others.

Hughes might have scored important goals but he only scored three of em and that is one of our major problems - we just don't help the strikers by scoring much from midfield.

Low's done okay but he's another who hasn't scored but Gradel - now there's a different player when it comes to being positive and really posing a threat.

What he's up against is that Kelly seems to prefer people who don't risk losing the ball much - like Low, Hughes and Porter - to people who are likely score more but at greater risk.

[Ric Flair]

It might make an interesting poll but I'd have Porter down as the best passer in an attacking sense and Wesolowski as second although his passing tends to be less penetrative which is understandable given his position.

Statistics won't necessarily provide the full answer because they won't measure the degree of adventure in all the passes, and Williams does tend to be adventurous so the risk of error is greater.

What I fail to see is that if you include these three (as our best passers) and, presumably a right winger like Low or Gradel, how does anyone accomodate Hughes, Johnson, Tiatto or even a third striker like Hume?

Ironically, considering our remaining and outstanding weaknesses, it is getting harder to choose our strongest team and will get harder still soon.

Porter and Wesolowski are good passers, they've been taught well but even though he's frustrating as hell, Williams has some amazing range of passes in his armoury. But there's no use him having them if he's not going to bust a gut to use them.

Please shut up about Max Gradel, Thracian. His talents are so raw that it's an insult to think he should command a place in the Championship just yet. Porter and O'Grady have had to seriously hone their skills and change their games to get a chance at this level and Gradel will have to do the same. He might need loaning out and a damng good kick up the arse because he's another who has a suspect attitude according to some folk. He does look very exciting when he's got the ball at youth and reserve level but he also looks painfully lacking in certain areas, I wouldn't class being a team player as one of his strong points and if you aren't prepared to die for the cause at this level then you'll get found out.

You talk about Gradel as some sort of demi-god and that he's some sort of goal scoring phenomenon from the wing, but let's be honest it's at reserve level and fair play to the lad because it was impressive what he did during that 5 or 6 game spell last season but young players seem to make it in your eyes far too early. I'm all for giving them a chance and this club does, but there are reasons why some of them aren't given instant first team recognition after scoring a goal or two for the reserves.

For the record, I do rate Gradel but your not doing the lad justice by talkin him up how you do. It's far to early to consider him for championship level football.

[Daggers]

Personally I think Low is a barrel of shite

"D'ya want some cheese?... have some cheese.... Smell my cheese ya mother..."

Low is the way!

[Fez of Mahrez]

"D'ya want some cheese?... have some cheese.... Smell my cheese ya mother..."

Low is the way!

Why?

[Thracian]

Porter and Wesolowski are good passers, they've been taught well but even though he's frustrating as hell, Williams has some amazing range of passes in his armoury. But there's no use him having them if he's not going to bust a gut to use them.

Please shut up about Max Gradel, Thracian. His talents are so raw that it's an insult to think he should command a place in the Championship just yet. Porter and O'Grady have had to seriously hone their skills and change their games to get a chance at this level and Gradel will have to do the same. He might need loaning out and a damng good kick up the arse because he's another who has a suspect attitude according to some folk. He does look very exciting when he's got the ball at youth and reserve level but he also looks painfully lacking in certain areas, I wouldn't class being a team player as one of his strong points and if you aren't prepared to die for the cause at this level then you'll get found out.

You talk about Gradel as some sort of demi-god and that he's some sort of goal scoring phenomenon from the wing, but let's be honest it's at reserve level and fair play to the lad because it was impressive what he did during that 5 or 6 game spell last season but young players seem to make it in your eyes far too early. I'm all for giving them a chance and this club does, but there are reasons why some of them aren't given instant first team recognition after scoring a goal or two for the reserves.

For the record, I do rate Gradel but your not doing the lad justice by talkin him up how you do. It's far to early to consider him for championship level football.

I think I drew attention to Gradel's temperament last season - but it's nothing serious, just reacting to the referee when he's whacked and when he doesn't get the freekicks he thinks he deserves. He has had the habit of carrying it on a it which presumably will have long been sorted by now.

I don't view anyone as a demi-God. I'm not the hero-worshipping type. I just look at what people do and don't do, the effect they have on matches.

It's early to judge Low but I watched him in the game at Hinckley as well as his first team matches and, while he's okay, retains possession and gets some crosses in, he just doesn't have a great enough impact for me and doesn't threaten the goal enough.

I think, coming in off the bench, that Gradel will have more effect in any given six matches than Low ever will and, rather like Kisnorbo really, I'd sooner have someone like Gradel with faults than someone arguably more reliable who will only rarely have an impact.

It's easy to be wrong about players. I remember you telling me to be patient about Hughes. That he was really an excellent player waiting to regain his fitness and form.

You've been honest enough to seemingly change your view since and I'll do the same about Gradel if necessary. But it hasn't happened for Hughes and he seems a bit like Low really in that he works willingly enough but just doesn't have enough impact

As for talking people up too early the people I've cited are Stearman, Logan, Sheehan, O'Grady, Wesolowski,Porter, Gradel, Dodds and Chambers.

Stearman, O'Grady, Wesolowski, Porter have been excellent overall.

Logan's did well in his only serious game. Sheehan's got an excellent though short first team record and still seems better than the options. Gradel and Dodds haven't had a chance and Chambers is being kept under wraps. I don't think I've touted anyone before their time.

If we're going to wait for everyone to have the perfect temperament we'll wait along time and waste a lot of talent. Not that I think Dodds, Chambers, Logan or Gradel have anything especially wrong with their temperament anyway.

[Ric Flair]

Our youngsters that have come in to the first team have done very well for us and i'm hopeful that they will continue to do so, i'm also hopeful there are more youngsters that will come through but i'm also wary of throwing some of them in too soon and i'm still unsure on Gradel just yet. He's certainly got the ability, he needs to toughen up though.

[Manwell Pablo]

Please, you joined this forum when Stearmen was basically in the first team so don't give me that. you cited Chris O'Grady on his return from Rushen and Diamonds, and Wesolowski has been backed more by just about everyone else on this forum, more so than you. You've spent most of your time going on and on and on and on about Levi Porter, who looks half decent. Not the centre midfield defense splitting wizard you have made him out to be however ( and he is far from the best passer at this club) given a few years he could be a very good player. However you were banging on about him well over a year ago when most think he wasn't quite ready, he was introduced this season, and if you read back thas is when I said he should be introduced.

Sheehan needs to make some impact on the first team soonor he will be off to league one or two, same with Dodds ( seeing as he's 20 soon and is out of contract at the end of the year, this could be soon )

Gradel isn't ready yet and wont be till next season and you wont see him till then which is the right descion IMHO. One shared by our clubs management fortunatley. Never open a garage Thracian, I doubt the the kids with a GCSE in mechanics that you'd undoubtidly employ would get you ver far.

[Thracian]

Please, you joined this forum when Stearmen was basically in the first team so don't give me that. you cited Chris O'Grady on his return from Rushen and Diamonds, and Wesolowski has been backed more by just about everyone else on this forum, more so than you. You've spent most of your time going on and on and on and on about Levi Porter, who looks half decent. Not the centre midfield defense splitting wizard you have made him out to be however ( and he is far from the best passer at this club) given a few years he could be a very good player. However you were banging on about him well over a year ago when most think he wasn't quite ready, he was introduced this season, and if you read back thas is when I said he should be introduced.

Sheehan needs to make some impact on the first team soonor he will be off to league one or two, same with Dodds ( seeing as he's 20 soon and is out of contract at the end of the year, this could be soon )

Gradel isn't ready yet and wont be till next season and you wont see him till then which is the right descion IMHO. One shared by our clubs management fortunatley. Never open a garage Thracian, I doubt the the kids with a GCSE in mechanics that you'd undoubtidly employ would get you ver far.

Stearman wasn't established, O'Grady was virtually forgotten once he'd gone on loan, Weso was everyone's favourite anyway, I seriously doubt Sheehan will get a chance now, Porter didn't really come good until after last Christmas, Dodds has never had a chance for whatever reason and we obviously have a different view on Gradel too which isn't unusual cos I don't think you were that enthusiastic about Porter either if memory serves.

Ironically some of the best mechanics I know are very young. But in every case they have grown up with fathers who've been mechanics all their working lives. GCSE? From what I've seen they could probably be examiners for the GCSE.

[Manwell Pablo]

Stearman wasn't established, O'Grady was virtually forgotten once he'd gone on loan, Weso was everyone's favourite anyway, I seriously doubt Sheehan will get a chance now, Porter didn't really come good until after last Christmas, Dodds has never had a chance for whatever reason and we obviously have a different view on Gradel too which isn't unusual cos I don't think you were that enthusiastic about Porter either if memory serves.

Ironically some of the best mechanics I know are very young. But in every case they have grown up with fathers who've been mechanics all their working lives. GCSE? From what I've seen they could probably be examiners for the GCSE.

Oh utter crap reports came back from Rushed saying how well he had played which led to his place on the bench in the second half the season, from my understanding it was the loan period that made him, and there was little about his game that would suggest he would get as far as he has done before hand, and good on the lad.

In RE to Porter I still don't worship the ground he walks on quite like yourself, I said last year 15 games this season would be good for him maybe more if he impress's ( although at the time I expected us to have a few options on the left, certainly not Tiatto or Tiatto ) , and no I wasn't very keen to throw a youth team player into a team that was getting good result after good result. I'am quite eager to see how his carear develops however I've not quite got him pencilled in for his first England cap as of yet . Time will tell for the lad. He's not been fantastic by any means he just looks promosing.

Unless Max Gradel's Dads a proffesional footballer I fail to see your point. Pointless going on about him he wont play I will tell you that for free, Sylla is further up the pecking order.

[Thracian]

Oh utter crap reports came back from Rushed saying how well he had played which led to his place on the bench in the second half the season, from my understanding it was the loan period that made him, and there was little about his game that would suggest he would get as far as he has done before hand, and good on the lad.

In RE to Porter I still don't worship the ground he walks on quite like yourself, I said last year 15 games this season would be good for him maybe more if he impress's ( although at the time I expected us to have a few options on the left, certainly not Tiatto or Tiatto ) , and no I wasn't very keen to throw a youth team player into a team that was getting good result after good result. I'am quite eager to see how his carear develops however I've not quite got him pencilled in for his first England cap as of yet . Time will tell for the lad. He's not been fantastic by any means he just looks promosing.

Unless Max Gradel's Dads a proffesional footballer I fail to see your point. Pointless going on about him he wont play I will tell you that for free, Sylla is further up the pecking order.

Which shows you shouldn't take much notice of second hand reports.

Just sit back Manwell and enjoy the emergence of the best group of youngsters we've probably ever had.

And if Sylla's further up RK's pecking order than Gradel then I'm equally quite sure they'll find a way of powering cars with piss before the end of the month.

[Manwell Pablo]

I intend to, and I'm thankfull we have a management team that will make sure it's done at the right pace.

[Thracian]

I intend to, and I'm thankfull we have a management team that will make sure it's done at the right pace.

I hope, even think, you might be right but with the fear, the money considerations and the general set-up in football today I suspect they will always need encouragement.

[Ultra]

However I would mention that Micky Adams, Craig Levein and Rob Kelly have all tried and failed to get the best out of Gareth Williams and therefore I would suggest that the problem is NOT with the coaching BUT with the player himself!!

Absolutely!

It annoys me how indulgent some fans are with him, and yet they'll jump on anyone else who makes a mistake (eg Johnson)..

[Ultra]

He might need loaning out and a damn good kick up the arse because he's another who has a suspect attitude according to some folk.

And Williams doesn't?

[Thracian]

IS HE THOUGH, IS HE REALLY! NO!!

You'd of thought the level of sense show by our management regarding our youth players, and the amount of young players we have devleoped here. would show you that actually you can trust them to play the right players at the right time!

Apart from my family and close friends, trust is not something that ever comes easy to me and certainly not where Leicester City management is concerned in recent years.

Kelly and Stowell (with Beaglehome and Rudkin etc) seem to building us a head of steam and if it turns out as you say I'll be perfectly happy but meanwhile if I think Gradel or anyone else is playing well enough to get into the squad on merit I'll say so. We need exciting players in our team - not before their time - but the sooner the better nevertheless.