escape2victory Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 I guess that's what I'm up against. Maybe it's so long since City fans watched a team of ours attacking. a) Since when do both wing backs support at the same time? They work on a pivot really. So even in possession we'd have a minimum of four alert defenders, counting Weso. b) Also our attacking players wouldn't all pile into the box at the same time - some would offer support outside the box and be well able to offer early help against a counter attack. Zonal systems encourage this anyway. It is just that the primary focus of support would be in our attacking half instead of the defensive half and midfield. c) Which Championship sides to visit the Walkers have shown themselves keen to attack in a fast-countering force of more than four?. None that I've seen yet. Or would you leave the likes of Hume, Hammond, Fryatt, and Welsh to be coped with by a skeleton defence?. It's true, the Academy push high and get caught on the break occasionally. About once every three or four goals on average!. And then they have to be bloody good goals. Fair enough, I agree with all those points. We would all like to see a winning team playing good, attacking football. Kelly obviously doesnt feel that with the personnel he has, that we can play attacking football and win. I suppose we have to respect his decision because he is in a much better position to judge. Its obvious though that we are a bit too negative in some games especially away from home. Its about finding the right balance between attack and defence. I feel that your team is taking it to the other extreme. Though I do agree with you about having footballing full backs (ie not Kenton or Johansson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 4-2-4.....fooking brilliant HHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookwhaticando Posted 9 November 2006 Author Share Posted 9 November 2006 4-2-4.....fooking brilliant HHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf I know you probably definitely don't care, but isn't it Robbie Fowler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 I knew it didn't look right. It's been one of those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sods Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 My Team would be with everyone fit Logan Stearman Kisnorbo McCauley Nills Eric Hughes Wesolowki Williams Tiatto Hume and Fryatt Subs McCarthy Welsh Sylla O'Grady Hammond But the team for leicester on saturday will be Logan Stearman Kisnorbo McCarthy Nills Eric Sylla Johnson Weslowski Welsh Hume Fryatt Subs Mandaric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gist Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Logan Stearman Kisnorbo McCarthy Nisse Sylla Hughes Wesolowski Welsh Huuuuume Fryatt Subs: Kenton, Hammond, Henderson, Porter, McAuley That's what I want to see, with natural wingers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Time to discuss football, not finance. Logan Stearman, McAuley, McCarthy, Johansson Sylla, Wesolowski, Hughes, Welsh Hume, Fryatt Bench: Henderson, Kenton, Porter, Johnson, Hammond With Tiatto out, Welsh should return on the left. Hopefully Wesolowski will start ahead of Johnson - probably not, unfortunately. I get the feeling Fryatt will start this one. McAuley will be replaced by Kisnorbo if Kisnorbo is fit to start - McAuley will be on the bench in that case. If Kisnorbo isn't fit, Kenton will be on the bench and McAuley will start. Thoughts? Tiatto in for Welsh for me. Welsh has looked very poor the last few games and I'd rather Tiatto play there like he did against Stoke where he had a brilliant game. If Kisnorbo's fit I'd like him in for McAuley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Tiatto in for Welsh for me. Welsh has looked very poor the last few games and I'd rather Tiatto play there like he did against Stoke where he had a brilliant game. If Kisnorbo's fit I'd like him in for McAuley. Tiatto is in suspenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookwhaticando Posted 9 November 2006 Author Share Posted 9 November 2006 Tiatto is in suspenders. :thumbsup: Hence he was dropped from my line up. He's had some good games and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Ideally I'd have Tiatto in the middle (ahead of Hughes or Johnson) and Welsh on the left. But since he's suspended, he don't figure at all (that's why he didn't even make the bench). Come on guys, you should have known he was suspended - it was inevitable, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 :thumbsup: Hence he was dropped from my line up. He's had some good games and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Ideally I'd have Tiatto in the middle (ahead of Hughes or Johnson) and Welsh on the left. But since he's suspended, he don't figure at all (that's why he didn't even make the bench). Come on guys, you should have known he was suspended - it was inevitable, really. Personally I'd have had Tiatto in there but y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 :thumbsup: Hence he was dropped from my line up. He's had some good games and doesn't deserve to be dropped. Ideally I'd have Tiatto in the middle (ahead of Hughes or Johnson) and Welsh on the left. But since he's suspended, he don't figure at all (that's why he didn't even make the bench). Come on guys, you should have known he was suspended - it was inevitable, really. He's done well to get to November without a suspension IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Kelly must drop Andy Johnson. Whether it happens remains to be seen: Logan Stearman Paddy Mac Kisnorbo Nisse Sylla Hughes Weso Welsh Fryatt Huuuuuume! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookwhaticando Posted 9 November 2006 Author Share Posted 9 November 2006 He's done well to get to November without a suspension IMO. I was expecting him to sit out a few games during early October but it never materialised. I guess missing a few games through injury hindered such a feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Kelly must drop Andy Johnson. Whether it happens remains to be seen: Logan Stearman Paddy Mac Kisnorbo Nisse Sylla Hughes Weso Welsh Fryatt Huuuuuume! That would be my team too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Fair enough, I agree with all those points. We would all like to see a winning team playing good, attacking football. Kelly obviously doesnt feel that with the personnel he has, that we can play attacking football and win. I suppose we have to respect his decision because he is in a much better position to judge. Its obvious though that we are a bit too negative in some games especially away from home. Its about finding the right balance between attack and defence. I feel that your team is taking it to the other extreme. Though I do agree with you about having footballing full backs (ie not Kenton or Johansson) Leesoh also talks about the right balance - lots of our fans have tried to suggest balanced teams - and they are right, we do need balance. My idea of balance, with wing-backs is, I agree, more radical than most and I don't present it as an idea written in stone. I can't remember the exact numbers but, as home team against Plymouth, I think there were seven attack-capable players in my selection alongside six defence capable players. Whatever the numbers I know there was only a bias of one player in favour of added attack. If that balance were adjusted away from home to err by one player in the other direction I would understand and accept it. It wouldn't be my choice mind but I wouldn't object. So...balance aplenty. That level of attacker was never the case at Wednesday, Luton, Burnley West Brom second half when we surrendered, Birmingham til the end, QPR after we'd scored or at other times I could detail. I've gone for wing-backs because its a system I believe in, because it's exciting, because it encourages us to dictate the game and because I've seen an alternative in action for 15 months and don't like it. With different players I might think differently. But what I've aimed to do within the system is not only change the emphasis from negative to positive but to negate as many of our long-standing weaknesses as possible and to increase our goals potential. Do I think it's a surefire winner? No. I think it is a worthwhile basis for genuine progress which the present system is not. It would also cog in more broadly with the Academy/Reserves approach or pressing forward, which makes sense. I don't doubt snags would arise. And, If that proved so, adjustments would need to be made, either to the players approach, the players used, or the system - but always using players who pass, support and who have individual strengths. Happily, even as it stands, readjusting to 4-4-2 or almost any other system would be dead easy with those players because they do pass and support in the main while, with the Sheffield sort of line up, there were so few realistic options other than containment while hoping for a lucky break. You say one must respect Kelly's viewpoint and I understand that. But I'd find that idea easier if RK ever tried the alternatives, if he ever selected a genuinely attacking side, if he ever used an alternative system, if he ever attempted to mend our enduring weaknesses, assuming he even sees them as weaknesses. Sooner or later all managers need to explore the possibilities, test the limits of their own players and explore the parameters of their squad. But can anyone honestly say those thing happen?. They should. Because it isn't as if we've ever been sitting anywhere near the top of the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wils Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Logan Kenton, McAuley, McCarthy, Johansson Stears, Wesolowski, Hughes, Welsh Hume, Fryatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Logan stearman kisnorbo mccarhty johansson sylla weso hughes welsh hume fryatt subs henderson mcauley low johnson hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lass Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Logan Kenton, Kisnorbo, McCarthy, Johansson Stearman, Wesolowski, Hughes, Welsh Hume, Fryatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Logan Kenton, McAuley, McCarthy, Johansson Stears, Wesolowski, Hughes, Welsh Hume, Fryatt Wouldn't surprise me if that were the team....7 defenders and 4 attackers for a home game, giving half a point each to Stears and Hughes as attackers. Frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Van der Sar Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Heinze Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs Rooney, Saha 6 defenders - frightening. Cech Ferreira, Terry, Carvalho, Cole Ballack, Essien, Makelele, Lampard Drogba, Schevchenko 7 defenders... frightening. Reina Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso, Garcia Crouch, Kuyt 7 defenders.. frightening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lass Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Van der Sar Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Heinze Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs Rooney, Saha 6 defenders - frightening. Cech Ferreira, Terry, Carvalho, Cole Ballack, Essien, Makelele, Lampard Drogba, Schevchenko 7 defenders... frightening. Reina Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso, Garcia Crouch, Kuyt 7 defenders.. frightening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 Van der Sar Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Heinze Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs Rooney, Saha 6 defenders - frightening. Cech Ferreira, Terry, Carvalho, Cole Ballack, Essien, Makelele, Lampard Drogba, Schevchenko 7 defenders... frightening. Reina Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso, Garcia Crouch, Kuyt 7 defenders.. frightening? Some people simply don't want to take off the blinkers....they'd sell you sand in the desert. It's the proportion of defensively capable players to attackingly capable players that matters. In a utopian world you'd have 10 players who can do both. It isn't a utopian world. But let's take the United line-up: Six defenders including goalkeeper ....but seven attackers. Give me that at Leicester and I'll be perfectly happy. Then look at Chelsea: Seven defenders....at least six attackers. Same with Liverpool. But Leicester? Who the hell plays seven defenders and four attackers at home? Frightening!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 9 November 2006 Share Posted 9 November 2006 He's done well to get to November without a suspension IMO. Since he's playing pretty well the rest of the time, I'm starting to love the occasional comedy tackles and heart-stopping passes. Kind of like a Championship Titus Bramble, only not quite so calamitous. Plus the 'French ****' insult was an inadvertent stab of comedic genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 10 November 2006 Share Posted 10 November 2006 Since he's playing pretty well the rest of the time, I'm starting to love the occasional comedy tackles and heart-stopping passes. Kind of like a Championship Titus Bramble, only not quite so calamitous. Plus the 'French ****' insult was an inadvertent stab of comedic genius. Interesting first sentence that could apply the other way too .... heart-stopping tackles and comedy passes! I know what you mean though - he's like a wind up toy, once the spring's loaded you can't stop him - and he's becoming something of a cult personality in a team which is a lot more function than flair. We ought to have a chant to celebrate his top tackles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simi Posted 10 November 2006 Share Posted 10 November 2006 Logan Stearman Kisnorbo McCarthy Nisse Sylla Hughes Wesolowski Welsh Huuuuume Fryatt Subs: Kenton, Hammond, Henderson, Porter, McAuley I would go with that if Kisnorbo is fit. Tough game tomorow and i hope we are up for it and dont have our minds on the takeover. Hopefully Kelly will be able to bring in a couple of decent loan deals soon to bolster the squad. Get Alan Smith in Cardiff and Leeds are in talks with him! Go for it Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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