Plymouth Match Thread

[SydneyFC]

Seemed like a game of squandered chances. Someone also needs to tell Weso to drink more milk to fix up his glass bones.

[spirefox]

I was disappointed Kelly didn't bring McAuley on because we had struggled against their set pieces all afternoon and it was always on the cards that they could get a goal like they did.I would have taken Sylla off and put Maybury to right midfield with McAuley at right back.They didn't have a left winger so he wouldn't have been too exposed there.

[davieG]

I was disappointed Kelly didn't bring McAuley on because we had struggled against their set pieces all afternoon and it was always on the cards that they could get a goal like they did.I would have taken Sylla off and put Maybury to right midfield with McAuley at right back.They didn't have a left winger so he wouldn't have been too exposed there.

I'm sorry but that sounds like a recipe for disaster too many changes just to get an extra CB on. Plus we would have conceded more of the pitch and the game to the oppo, Maybury would've continued to play full back getting in McAuley's way.

[TheShrew]

Our tactics from the start of this match were cautious and, for a home team, we predictably created very little.

That encourages the opposition who are not going to be afraid to commit extra men forward, forcing us to defend by definition.

I wonder what the "Fryatt must return" brigade will have to say because he didn't sound half as demanding for the opposition as Hammond.

Hughes disappeared too in the second half and that left us very vulnerable becausse we weren't ever truly creative in the first place.

Strange, from where i was sat (F1 as usual) we started very brightly and pushed forward well.

Agree about fryatt, he just didn't seem fit. Can't remember fryatt ever pressurising that much anyway, but without last seasons strike rate it looks worse.

Hughes was busy covering for all of our out of position players in the second half. The amount of times he was wide right or right back, even central defence at times was crazy. Maybury was slow to track back, his attacking link up with sylla was good but he left others to mop up.

[Thracian]

Strange, from where i was sat (F1 as usual) we started very brightly and pushed forward well.

Agree about fryatt, he just didn't seem fit. Can't remember fryatt ever pressurising that much anyway, but without last seasons strike rate it looks worse.

Hughes was busy covering for all of our out of position players in the second half. The amount of times he was wide right or right back, even central defence at times was crazy. Maybury was slow to track back, his attacking link up with sylla was good but he left others to mop up.

When I said our tactics to start with were cautious I was referring to the balance of our side which still favoured defence even at home.

RK has stated they work hard at getting an early goal and hence the lively start but it's a pity there's never enough attacking players on the field to sustain it and to work on a second goal (and more if possible) instead of forever sitting back on any lead, be it for a minute or two or longer.

We cannot defend a lead by retreating and the evidence is in every matchday programme. It is now 10 games since we failed to concede a goal and we've conceded two goals in four of the last five... even when selecting teams with a defensive bias.

One day we will appreciate the value of full-backs who press up and support the attack.

In fact Chelsea gave an object lesson not only in this but in how to cross a ball into the box yesterday.

Their full-backs constantly supported the midfielders - and with great determination - but where did so many of their final passes go? Hard and low into the box or even turned back at 45 degrees to the front edge of the penalty area from where a short angled cross could be fed in.

So much more difficult to cope with. Defenders feed on simple high crosses and we at Leicester haven't got anyone who can get onto them anyway.

Tiatto/Porter could work that down our left or Sheehan/Porter. Stearman needs to return to right back and the question then is who should link up with him or whether we should change to 4-3-3.

Best way I can see of us getting towards that approach is:

Logan;

Stearman, McAuley, Kisnorbo, Tiatto/Sheehan;

Williams/King, Hughes, Porter,

Hammond, Fryatt/Dodds, Hume.

[TheShrew]

Fair enough

I agree the side is weighted more for defence at the moment. However, i firmly believe that as soon as williams returns, with weso alonside him things will get even brighter. Sylla, Williams, Weso, Porter (The Playoff final midfield)

[dandannieldanok]

When I said our tactics to start with were cautious I was referring to the balance of our side which still favoured defence even at home.

RK has stated they work hard at getting an early goal and hence the lively start but it's a pity there's never enough attacking players on the field to sustain it and to work on a second goal (and more if possible) instead of forever sitting back on any lead, be it for a minute or two or longer.

We cannot defend a lead by retreating and the evidence is in every matchday programme. It is now 10 games since we failed to concede a goal and we've conceded two goals in four of the last five... even when selecting teams with a defensive bias.

One day we will appreciate the value of full-backs who press up and support the attack.

In fact Chelsea gave an object lesson not only in this but in how to cross a ball into the box yesterday.

Their full-backs constantly supported the midfielders - and with great determination - but where did so many of their final passes go? Hard and low into the box or even turned back at 45 degrees to the front edge of the penalty area from where a short angled cross could be fed in.

So much more difficult to cope with. Defenders feed on simple high crosses and we at Leicester haven't got anyone who can get onto them anyway.

Tiatto/Porter could work that down our left or Sheehan/Porter. Stearman needs to return to right back and the question then is who should link up with him or whether we should change to 4-3-3.

Best way I can see of us getting towards that approach is:

Logan;

Stearman, McAuley, Kisnorbo, Tiatto/Sheehan;

Williams/King, Hughes, Porter,

Hammond, Fryatt/Dodds, Hume.

That midfield is too weak. All three are not renowned for their tackling.

[Thracian]

That midfield is too weak. All three are not renowned for their tackling.

But there's an extra man in centralish midfield. Hughes remains as a harrier and, instead of Stearman who is not a midfield player at all, there's Williams/King and Porter to be creative and to give us better attacking options.

With one or other full-back acting as a wing-back at any one time, where's the lack of ability to win the ball back, especially as they're as combative as any we've got.

Our trouble is we're so obsessed with filling midfield with tacklers/harriers we forever leave ourselves short of passers and end up conceding the ball too easily and putting pressure on the defence.

More often than not in this system we'd have three defenders and four midfielders - plus whatever Hammond/Hume or Dodds give you as extra support which is likely to be considerable. That seems a lot better balanced than what we have at the moment and a lot more capable of retaining possession and scoring goals.

[dandannieldanok]

But there's an extra man in centralish midfield. Hughes remains as a harrier and, instead of Stearman who is not a midfield player at all, there's Williams/King and Porter to be creative and to give us better attacking options.

With one or other full-back acting as a wing-back at any one time, where's the lack of ability to win the ball back, especially as they're as combative as any we've got.

Our trouble is we're so obsessed with filling midfield with tacklers/harriers we forever leave ourselves short of passers and end up conceding the ball too easily and putting pressure on the defence.

More often than not in this system we'd have three defenders and four midfielders - plus whatever Hammond/Hume or Dodds give you as extra support which is likely to be considerable. That seems a lot better balanced than what we have at the moment and a lot more capable of retaining possession and scoring goals.

Come on get a grip, Hughes may harry but we need someone who can tackle and last the full 90 minutes. Hughes cannot do this, his fitness levels are very poor and when have you seen him break up the play with tackles because I haven't. We need to buy a player with the credentials to hold and tackle so players like Hughes can be more creative.

[Simon]

When I said our tactics to start with were cautious I was referring to the balance of our side which still favoured defence even at home.

RK has stated they work hard at getting an early goal and hence the lively start but it's a pity there's never enough attacking players on the field to sustain it and to work on a second goal (and more if possible) instead of forever sitting back on any lead, be it for a minute or two or longer.

We cannot defend a lead by retreating and the evidence is in every matchday programme. It is now 10 games since we failed to concede a goal and we've conceded two goals in four of the last five... even when selecting teams with a defensive bias.

One day we will appreciate the value of full-backs who press up and support the attack.

In fact Chelsea gave an object lesson not only in this but in how to cross a ball into the box yesterday.

Their full-backs constantly supported the midfielders - and with great determination - but where did so many of their final passes go? Hard and low into the box or even turned back at 45 degrees to the front edge of the penalty area from where a short angled cross could be fed in.

So much more difficult to cope with. Defenders feed on simple high crosses and we at Leicester haven't got anyone who can get onto them anyway.

Tiatto/Porter could work that down our left or Sheehan/Porter. Stearman needs to return to right back and the question then is who should link up with him or whether we should change to 4-3-3.

Best way I can see of us getting towards that approach is:

Logan;

Stearman, McAuley, Kisnorbo, Tiatto/Sheehan;

Williams/King, Hughes, Porter,

Hammond, Fryatt/Dodds, Hume.

The problem is, Thrac, we're not Chelsea. At least in Chelsea's midfield you have Makelele, Essien and Ballack who are all much better ball-winners than you have listed here. Hughes has got much better at ball-winning but I wouldn't trust him to do the job as he drifts in and out of games too much.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS to play this system. In-terms of attacking full-backs, the closest we've got is Richard Stearman. We sold our only decent attacking left-back to Watford. Tiatto is not a left back who would get forward in the way you intend- when in these positions he'd drift inwards too much, making us vulnerable to a counter-attack.

I'd like to see Weso and Williams have a sustained run in the first team before going and trying anything like this.

Logan

Stearman, McCarthy, Kisnorbo, Nisse

Sylla, Weso, Williams, Porter/Tiatto

Hume Fryatt

[dandannieldanok]

The problem is, Thrac, we're not Chelsea. At least in Chelsea's midfield you have Makelele, Essien and Ballack who are all much better ball-winners than you have listed here. Hughes has got much better at ball-winning but I wouldn't trust him to do the job as he drifts in and out of games too much.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS to play this system. In-terms of attacking full-backs, the closest we've got is Richard Stearman. We sold our only decent attacking left-back to Watford. Tiatto is not a left back who would get forward in the way you intend- when in these positions he'd drift inwards too much, making us vulnerable to a counter-attack.

I'd like to see Weso and Williams have a sustained run in the first team before going and trying anything like this.

Logan

Stearman, McCarthy, Kisnorbo, Nisse

Sylla, Weso, Williams, Porter/Tiatto

Hume Fryatt

I couldn't agree more, even the line-up you have posted is my ideal

[Simon]

I couldn't agree more, even the line-up you have posted is my ideal

Glad we agree

Come on you know it makes sense

[TheShrew]

Simon

"I'd like to see Weso and Williams have a sustained run in the first team before going and trying anything like this.

Logan

Stearman, McCarthy, Kisnorbo, Nisse

Sylla, Weso, Williams, Porter/Tiatto

Hume Fryatt"

The midfield of my dreams!

[Thracian]

I couldn't agree more, even the line-up you have posted is my ideal

Ummmm

You might wait years for Weso and Williams to ever be fit.

And are you saying we're not vulnerable to counter attacks now? How much more evidence do you need after yesterday?

With that team you might well win sometimes - but you'll never have a racehorse, always a carthorse.

There's just not enough support. With three indifferent passers in the backline and one in midfield, how could there be? One non-passer is the most I'd want to put up with in any team.

We've got to stop giving ourselves a voluntary handicap and play a whole team that compliments the one system.

[MONreborn]

Ummmm

You might wait years for Weso and Williams to ever be fit.

And are you saying we're not vulnerable to counter attacks now? How much more evidence do you need after yesterday?

With that team you might well win sometimes - but you'll never have a racehorse, always a carthorse.

There's just not enough support. With three indifferent passers in the backline and one in midfield, how could there be? One non-passer is the most I'd want to put up with in any team.

We've got to stop giving ourselves a voluntary handicap and play a whole team that compliments the one system.

Thracian you obviosuly live in a world alien to us.

You want the introduction of youngsters, Odiahmbo looked out of his depth against Villa. If you know best, why are you not a manager? Why are you not in Kelly's shoes.

Kelly knows what he is doing, stick by him. And its really irratating that you have to post thousands of words to make a point. Remember, size doesn't matter

Back on topic, there is NO ONE else available to us. Rob is doing a brilliant job given the resources, with some money to spend in january i will bet me house on us signing at least two midfield players and a bulky centre forward to come on and hold up play towards the end of instigate and aerial bombardment in search for a goal.

Any for now Thracian, Relax.

[potter3]

Its interesting too see that a lot of people are now including Sylla in their team

[lcfc_jme]

Its interesting too see that a lot of people are now including Sylla in their team

More because they know he's going to be included by Kelly than because he's a good player and they rate him. Also because he's a better player than Josh Low (not that it's anything to be proud of) as well

[MONreborn]

More because they know he's going to be included by Kelly than because he's a good player and they rate him. Also because he's a better player than Josh Low (not that it's anything to be proud of) as well

Oh my God some Leicester fans really irritate me. Sylla deserves to be in the starting line up due to the way he has forced his way back in to the line up. Who else would you play on the wing ?

What an absurb statemtn to make. To suggest Sylla is one of Kelly's favourties is just a lack of research in to the facts. Sylla was on of three players left out of the summer camp.

[lcfc_jme]

Oh my God some Leicester fans really irritate me. Sylla deserves to be in the starting line up due to the way he has forced his way back in to the line up. Who else would you play on the wing ?

What an absurb statemtn to make. To suggest Sylla is one of Kelly's favourties is just a lack of research in to the facts. Sylla was on of three players left out of the summer camp.

Not suggesting Sylla is one of Kelly's favourites. Infact far from suggesting that. I mean to say that Sylla is Kelly's favoured right winger atm, and so because he is being given an extended run in the side, people expect to see him there.

Sylla is also a better player than Josh Low, and so I would actually rather see him there.

Not many Leicester fans do rate Momo Sylla, and that is based on his performances as a whole during his time at our club. It is up to him to prove them wrong, but he won't do this whilst he is being lazy.

If you actually scan the LCFC Forum, you will see I started a thread about Momo Sylla due to yesterdays game, and I said he suprised me 'cos he was better yesterday than he usually is. Maybe you should research facts before using me as an example in your ranting

[Manwell Pablo]

Some serious tripe being posted, Thracian the ring leader as usual.

I'll admit our midfield could do with a bit more creativety, but then when you only have 17 fit proffesional players at the club you don't really have a great deal of choice about your tatics.

[Hullfox]

Some serious tripe being posted, Thracian the ring leader as usual.

I'll admit our midfield could do with a bit more creativety, but then when you only have 17 fit proffesional players at the club you don't really have a great deal of choice about your tatics.

Nail. Head.

I thank you.

[MONreborn]

Not suggesting Sylla is one of Kelly's favourites. Infact far from suggesting that. I mean to say that Sylla is Kelly's favoured right winger atm, and so because he is being given an extended run in the side, people expect to see him there.

Sylla is also a better player than Josh Low, and so I would actually rather see him there.

Not many Leicester fans do rate Momo Sylla, and that is based on his performances as a whole during his time at our club. It is up to him to prove them wrong, but he won't do this whilst he is being lazy.

If you actually scan the LCFC Forum, you will see I started a thread about Momo Sylla due to yesterdays game, and I said he suprised me 'cos he was better yesterday than he usually is. Maybe you should research facts before using me as an example in your ranting

I apolgogise. All I am wondering...Who would you rather play then Sylla?

Sylla who assisted the two goals against Villa.

Sylla who assisted and played a large part in another goal against Plymouth.

He is our best option and is actually trying, so all i want is for our fans to give him a proper chance.

And yes Rob ir right, Sylla needs a run in the side to actually get his fitness back.

[MONreborn]

Nail. Head.

I thank you.

Couldn't agree more.

[lcfc_jme]

I apolgogise. All I am wondering...Who would you rather play then Sylla?

Sylla who assisted the two goals against Villa.

Sylla who assisted and played a large part in another goal against Plymouth.

He is our best option and is actually trying, so all i want is for our fans to give him a proper chance.

And yes Rob ir right, Sylla needs a run in the side to actually get his fitness back.

I've not said I'd rather play anyone ahead of Sylla - quite simply, we have no-one. The problem I have with Sylla is the fact that he is too lazy and doesn't sprint enough when both attacking and defending. He relies too much on Stearman and others to do most of his work for him, which handicaps our team.

I'm willing to give him a chance, but he needs to actually play like a winger and stop being so lazy

[Swedging]

I'm willing to give him a chance, but he needs to actually play like a winger and stop being so lazy

Wingers are always accused of being lazy, or drifting in and out of games... So are lots of other other creative players, like Williams...

It's because of how they read the game.