These kids don't deserve to live

[Jonbluefox9]

I went on holiday to Norfolk the other week and every night, when my Mum, Dad and myself walked back to where we were staying from the pub, a group of boys and girls aged between 13-17 years old were hanging about on the streets. These boys and girls are more dangerous than some people think because they have no common sense. They may not be physically strong but they have the power to cause serious damage to innocent people through their actions.

Strong punishments in schools should be brought back. Teachers are the equivalent of the police in the education system but they have no power to punish kids in a way which will make them think twice about breaking the rules again. Kids now go through school knowing the worst that can be done to them is be sent home, which is what they wanted anyway in a lot of cases. Then when they leave school, the worst that can happen is get put in a prison with almost everything they could want provided for them and they'll get let out sooner than first expected anyway. Even as a sports coach I was told that I'm not allowed to make kids do press-ups or laps of the field as a form of punishment for being naughty now!

[Raj]

Too true...my Mrs is a teacher in Oadby and its a joke!

Kids aint bothered cos they think they can sponge off their folks cos they are minted,and they aint concerned about teachers cos they will just cry to mummy who will ring the school and ask why her little cherub was told off as he is an angel at home, and would never contemplate being naughty!

[Jon the Hat]

I dont think it did

And the same stands for idiots who tie animals up to trees and stick a firework up there arse.

That kind of abuse of animals is very strongly linked with sociopathic and pshycopathic behavior. If people can do it to animals with no remorse people are often next. But do we have a system to pick up these flags?

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

There was a story a few weeks back where a woman chucked her cat up and down the stairs for her own entertainment.

For a while now, I've felt that somebody should do the same to her.

Harsh? I don't care.

What about the woman who decided to put her pet cat in the microwave because it was 'playing up'. Sick

Animal cruelty I think is the one thing that pisses me off the most and I hope the people responsible suffer long and agonising deaths when their time comes round

[Daggers]

Like it or not - this is not the fault of the education system, policing, the courts or any one single point of contact.

Society has voted for governments that have altered our laws to enable bad behaviour. You voted for the governments, as in you the public not you the individual.

If people really believe that society has gone too far and that we need to act then it is up to everyone to contact their MP's and impress upon them this requirement. Make your disgust know.

But, this isn't about a single issue - it is about the lawlessness that exists in our schools, public parks (our local park more resembles a speedway track with all the mini-moto's and stolen mopeds), town centres and so forth. It is that people who rob know they will get away with it, people who commit violent acts know that they will get away with it. In the remote possibility that the offender(s) is tracked down and caught the full might of the judicial system hands them a community service order, or a strongly worded ticking off, or a holiday.

Young criminals are taking the piss out of society and we all stand back and let them.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

Like it or not - this is not the fault of the education system, policing, the courts or any one single point of contact.

Society has voted for governments that have altered our laws to enable bad behaviour. You voted for the governments, as in you the public not you the individual.

If people really believe that society has gone too far and that we need to act then it is up to everyone to contact their MP's and impress upon them this requirement. Make your disgust know.

But, this isn't about a single issue - it is about the lawlessness that exists in our schools, public parks (our local park more resembles a speedway track with all the mini-moto's and stolen mopeds), town centres and so forth. It is that people who rob know they will get away with it, people who commit violent acts know that they will get away with it. In the remote possibility that the offender(s) is tracked down and caught the full might of the judicial system hands them a community service order, or a strongly worded ticking off, or a holiday.

Young criminals are taking the piss out of society and we all stand back and let them.

We could kill them?

[Webbo]

A bit extreme but it just might work.

[Kent Fox]

It all started when the cane was banned from use.

I was terrified of going to the Headmasters Office just in case it was my turn..

Once that stopped, kids stopped being scared of teachers - the respect went out of the window.

Likewise, when the Police were stopped from clipping you around the ear and then taking you home for another clip, respect for the Police went.

And so the downward spiral continued.

Daggers made a good point earlier about the Government being at fault, but if ALL the main parties have similar policies, there are only the 'minority' parties left. And most people only think bad of them.

UKIP promote what most people think, but many see as unthinkable. They are a very different party from years ago and their then links. But no-one votes for them.

And those fecking Civil Liberty wan**rs don't help

[Webbo]

It all started when the cane was banned from use.

I was terrified of going to the Headmasters Office just in case it was my turn..

Once that stopped, kids stopped being scared of teachers - the respect went out of the window.

Likewise, when the Police were stopped from clipping you around the ear and then taking you home for another clip, respect for the Police went.

And so the downward spiral continued.

Daggers made a good point earlier about the Government being at fault, but if ALL the main parties have similar policies, there are only the 'minority' parties left. And most people only think bad of them.

UKIP promote what most people think, but many see as unthinkable. They are a very different party from years ago and their then links. But no-one votes for them.

And those fecking Civil Liberty wan**rs don't help

Agreed, the people who wanted it banned said it would make schools and society less violent. That was a great success.

[Daggers]

Daggers made a good point earlier about the Government being at fault

No, that wasn't my point at all...

It was that individuals have to do something rather than simply moaning about it.

[Kent Fox]

Society has voted for governments that have altered our laws to enable bad behaviour. You voted for the governments, as in you the public not you the individual.

No, that wasn't my point at all...

It was that individuals have to do something rather than simply moaning about it.

I know that, but short of copying your entire post, I shortened it.

And in essence, it IS the Government' fault. As you said above, if I ignore the Society bit. At the end of the day, the Government changed the Laws.

My point was that the main 3 parties have / had very similar views on this, so there was little option for society. To change it means looking to the other, less favoured parties.

Which most don't like to do, mainly through ignorance of their policies.

[Daggers]

Erm...if I ignore my wife when it comes to choosing evening TV I get to watch re-runs of The Soprano's and she has to fook Big Brother out the window.

I can't make this any clearer - it is not the fault of political parties - it is the fault of the voting and non-voting public. The solution is not to vote for a bunch of cranks in any crack-pot party, it is (as I have said twice already) for people to put pressure on their constituency MP's.

[Kent Fox]

Erm...if I ignore my wife when it comes to choosing evening TV I get to watch re-runs of The Soprano's and she has to fook Big Brother out the window.

I can't make this any clearer - it is not the fault of political parties - it is the fault of the voting and non-voting public. The solution is not to vote for a bunch of cranks in any crack-pot party, it is (as I have said twice already) for people to put pressure on their constituency MP's.

Many, many Laws are brought into the books well into a parties term of office. The public would not know of many of these Laws PRIOR to election.You cannot tell me that you know of Laws to be created before the end of GB's time.

Therefore, it cannot always be the fault of the public. The Government at that time will change/create a Law regardless of what the public think/do AT THAT TIME.

And putting pressure on MP's is not simply the answer. Sure, they can raise it in Commons, and offer up some opposition based on what their constituents feel, but how often has it succeeded?

So unless you can tell me otherwise, you need to be clearer.

[Daggers]

And putting pressure on MP's is not simply the answer. Sure, they can raise it in Commons, and offer up some opposition based on what their constituents feel, but how often has it succeeded?

How often have you, or anyone else, discussed matters relating to Crime and Punishment with your constituency MP?

[Kent Fox]

How often have you, or anyone else, discussed matters relating to Crime and Punishment with your constituency MP?

Clearly I cannot speak for 'anyone else' and will tell you I had a conversation a couple of years back with Paul Clark, who lived 2 doors away from me.

Also talked about Education as well.

And other stuff.

Why? What point do you want to make?

I take it you assumed that I hadn't ever done so.

[Daggers]

Why? What point do you want to make?

I take it you assumed that I hadn't ever done so.

You said 'what difference does talking to your MP make?'

My point is - if you only talk to them in passing once every two years the difference will be very little. Most people haven't even done that.

Therefore, how you can write off an approach without a)having tried it or b)citing research to support your argument leaves me somewhat cold to your claims that it will not work.

[Kent Fox]

You said 'what difference does talking to your MP make?'

My point is - if you only talk to them in passing once every two years the difference will be very little. Most people haven't even done that.

Therefore, how you can write off an approach without a)having tried it or b)citing research to support your argument leaves me somewhat cold to your claims that it will not work.

I stand by what I said. During such chats with my (now-ex) neighbour, it became clear that there are many instances in which the local MP cannot do a great deal on a national level without huge support. He did help on a lot of other local issues and fair play to him.

I seriously doubt that even you, clearly not an unintelligent bloke, believes that anyone with a life will make the effort to speak to their MP on a regular basis. I was fortunate (?) in that mine lived near me and we kind of socialised. As you imply, most people haven't spoken to their MP at all. Out of interest, how often do you speak to your MP? Any successes?

So, I have "tried it", and what research is there likely to be? A poll on how many times a local MP has had a major effect on Government policy? Where is your research in stating that (oh God, I can't go back and get the exact detail, so forgive me if I am slightly out) speaking to your local MP WILL make a difference?

[Daggers]

I stand by what I said. During such chats with my (now-ex) neighbour, it became clear that there are many instances in which the local MP cannot do a great deal on a national level without huge support.

Re-read what I wrote.

[Guest]

Is it reasonable to expect someone playing cricket to be healthy enough to survive such an attack, given he might have been hit by a cricket ball?

It doesn't matter; you take your victim as you find them, and if they have an underlying medical problem that means that they were more likely to die, tough on the accused. Saying you weren't to know doesn't work in this country.

Strong punishments in schools should be brought back. Teachers are the equivalent of the police in the education system but they have no power to punish kids in a way which will make them think twice about breaking the rules again.

Yet the parents blame the schools for their children's poor behaviour.

Annoying, isn't it.

[Jon the Hat]

Re-read what I wrote.

Mind your head there Dave.

NuLabour are a populist Government. They make up policies on the hoof on the basis of what looks good in the media. He who shouts loudest gets heard and so on. If you never talk to your MP, how are they to know what you believe. There are many resources out there who will tell you your MP's voting record on key subjects. My site of choice is www.theyworkforyou.com which will give you a detailed breakdown. Maybe look at this before voting next time round. If you disagree with your MP's views on a subject, then write to them. They are politicians, and despite appearances, People. They care what thier voters think, becuase that is what pays their wage. You might not see it immediately, but no one said change was easy.

[Geo V]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6923987.stm

Sick buggers. One of the main problems with this country is that people can literally get away with murder and most punishments don't fit the crime. Unless something drastically happens to change how the younger generation acts, this place will be a right state in 30 years. There are far too many weak parents and idiotic kids out there who will no doubt grow up to be bums.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

Sick buggers. One of the main problems with this country is that people can literally get away with murder and most punishments don't fit the crime. Unless something drastically happens to change how the younger generation acts, this place will be a right state in 30 years. There are far too many weak parents and idiotic kids out there who will no doubt grow up to be bums.

There were some kids outside my house the other night, they could have been no older than 13-14 and one of them was shouting 'get your fanny out ya slag' to some poor old wretch over the road. Unbelievable lack of respect, and that's just words, they did however blush and then scatter when the ol' dear whacked her beaver out!!

[Geo V]

There were some kids outside my house the other night, they could have been no older than 13-14 and one of them was shouting 'get your fanny out ya slag' to some poor old wretch over the road. Unbelievable lack of respect, and that's just words, they did however blush and then scatter when the ol' dear whacked her beaver out!!

No surprise there! I feel sorry for some of the kids who in some areas haven't got anything to do and peer pressure is getting excessive these days but all you have to do is watch one of these shows about Cops about town and see what idiotic levels some of these kids get upto. They have no respect for the police and more importantly no fear which allows them to do what they want. Bring back the good old days when the coppers would floor them and go without prosecution . Come to think of it, scrap that idea as it just encourages the coppers to become mini-hitlers!! Give em all crack and guns and let them fight it out instead

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

No surprise there! I feel sorry for some of the kids who in some areas haven't got anything to do and peer pressure is getting excessive these days but all you have to do is watch one of these shows about Cops about town and see what idiotic levels some of these kids get upto. They have no respect for the police and more importantly no fear which allows them to do what they want. Bring back the good old days when the coppers would floor them and go without prosecution . Come to think of it, scrap that idea as it just encourages the coppers to become mini-hitlers!! Give em all crack and guns and let them fight it out instead

I think we should put ecstacy in the childrens milks, driving home would be am absolute joy, people smiling, dancing in the streets, goths and chavs running across the road to hug eachother et al. Ahhh

[Kent Fox]

Re-read what I wrote.

From other MP's, not the public.

I think that was quite clear