Lord Nibblington Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 I'm a bit concerned as to what the rides would involve. They'll be a thing of beauty terror, I would imagine.
Zingari Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 I'm a bit concerned as to what the rides would involve. he's got a big dipper
Thracian Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 cisomo I did mean the number of motorists stopped not involved in accidents. I n a previous post Thracian said speeding motorists were not stopped. How many of those stopped would also be drink driving related?As said before that woman was charged with drink driving not causing the accident or bad driving of any kind. It would have been unfair to have let her off when hundreds are stopped each day from all walks of life and are fined or banned.just because she came from a certain section of people. I am not a parent but I feel I know when a child has had a good upbringing. You do not instantly become a good parent when the child is born. That is why there are guidelines and people to implement them who have expertise and have studied the subject over many years and have seen good and bad parenting through their job. I do not beilieve the ones in that case were nast because they were foreingners. It was a hint to Thracians thoughts. As in many similar case it was not known what they were like immediately and investigations were carried out. Just because they were not born here does not mean they were were going to do what they did. There are plenty born in this country wgho do the same thing. They also probably say they dont want authorities telling them how to bring up their children. You've at least got through to my whole point. Which is that the authorities have a responsibility for who they allow into this country. Hullfox puts forward a torture case to counter my argument about having officials tell me how to bring up children but apparently refuses to accept that those in authority have a duty to protect our own society from "such people". Torturing a child is not just criminal. It is insane behaviour. Doubtless some human rights advocate might find excuses for it, or have the compassionate need to understand it but it is insane behaviour to me and if you or anyone else thinks I say that because the people in question are foreign or black or both then their mind is as aggled as those in the story. Make absolutely no mistake. If those involved had been white, native English solicitors from Surbiton I'd have happily dropped them off on a tiny barren island as far away from civilisation as possible - with token food and water - and allowed providence, and their own resourcefulness, to decide their survival or otherwise. The actions referred to by Hullfox were as much a disgrace to black people as white cos I've never noticed any general sign that black people have ever wanted to treat their children unkindly never mind torture them. Quite the contrary. In my experience their love for their children is a shining example to us all. But the very idea that a willingness to torture anyone should only show itself when someone got to 38 is ridiculous. These people were evil. Their evil would have been apparent to anyone who took the trouble to look. You don't get to be as evil as that overnight. And I also have little doubt that clues to such evil would have been found in their background. I find it staggering and indeed totally irresponsible that any officials should ever have allowed them to set foot on these shores. But the fact that they did only emphasises my contempt for such officials. Cos no-one who had children themselves, and who cared for their wellbeing would ever be so idiotic as to fail to check and fail to recognise what a danger to children these people were. Yet Hullfox knows, as I know, that this was no isolated incident. The authorities are forever failing to recognise or to properly act on situations where children are in desperate danger. Instead it is nothing unusual to find the kids have to die before the eyes of those wise owls from social services before action is finally taken. And I know for certain that part of the reason for the above is being fearful of offending the PC sensitivities that Hullfox has been so misguidedly eager to supposedly expose at my expense. With such thinking I only hope Hullfox doesn't work in social services. PS: for the record, and to save the need to "hint" at my thoughts, I generally love the company of black and foreign people and might easily have married one - a disarmingly beautiful and captivating Ugandan Asian girl - had circumstances been different. My two most regular golf partners are West Indians wacko's whose favourite pastime seems to be telling jokes which take the mickey out of West Indians. They do it to get me in stitches and put me off my game.
davieG Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 It's not always as Black and White (no pun intended) is it though Thracian? I had a guy that worked for me who lived with a girl that had two children, not long after he moved in they started suffering from broken bones, he was obviously guilty the Social Services decided and he was forced to move out of the home. After much stress and cost to himself he was eventually able to prove that they both suffered from brittle bones and the coincidence was not that he had moved in but that they had got to an age where they were becoming more mobile and adventuress, but once thrown mud sticks and to this day he is still treated with scepticism and disdain by neighbours and Social Services. Social Services are, like every other human based system open to over reaction as well as under reaction unfortunately our media is only interested in reporting the under reaction and this paints the picture that many see.
Thracian Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 It's not always as Black and White (no pun intended) is it though Thracian?I had a guy that worked for me who lived with a girl that had two children, not long after he moved in they started suffering from broken bones, he was obviously guilty the Social Services decided and he was forced to move out of the home. After much stress and cost to himself he was eventually able to prove that they both suffered from brittle bones and the coincidence was not that he had moved in but that they had got to an age where they were becoming more mobile and adventuress, but once thrown mud sticks and to this day he is still treated with scepticism and disdain by neighbours and Social Services. Social Services are, like every other human based system open to over reaction as well as under reaction unfortunately our media is only interested in reporting the under reaction and this paints the picture your seeing. There have indeed been other cases where social services have drawn the wrong conclusions with disastrous results. It only emphasises why I have so little faith in them.
davieG Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 There have indeed been other cases where social services have drawn the wrong conclusions with disastrous results. It only emphasises why I have so little faith in them. What's the alternative? Humans make mistakes and SS and similar bodies are under very severe media pressure and I would imagine are understaffed and in the scheme of things probably under paid considering the enormity of their decision making. Society, in general gets what it pays for and while we continue to slide further into the celebrity sycophant cess pit at the expense of genuine community oriented people nothing will change.
Rincewind Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 I would rather have a SS system that got things right 90-97% of the time (too high, nevedr mind the figure does not matter) than no SS at all. Thracian, are you having a steaming illicit affair with that drink-driving woman?
Hullfox Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 Thracian rants at Hullfox It was you sir who said that the law shouldn't tell you how to bring up your kids because those enforcing the law (sweeping generalisation) were apparently either not parents themselves or not fit to be so. My point about the torture case was that if you were to have your way and not have laws, then those responsible for dispicable acts have as much right as you to bring up their kids as they see fit as do good parents. If you promote such freedoms, you have then to live with some vile consequences. and none of us really want that, hence the laws that we have. I would love to see your blueprint for a screening programme for the immigration service. After all, we don't want "that sort" of person in the country do we?
Rincewind Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 Does this not being qualified unless you are a parent include teachers? Should we abolish schools? What about youth centres, clubs scouts and suchlike Should they be run by 80 year old grannies because granny knows best. This discussion should be in a seperate thread as this one belongs to drunk drivers.
Hullfox Posted 29 December 2007 Posted 29 December 2007 Does this not being qualified unless you are a parent include teachers? Should we abolish schools? What about youth centres, clubs scouts and suchlike Should they be run by 80 year old grannies because granny knows best.This discussion should be in a seperate thread as this one belongs to drunk drivers. Ken, I think it's beer time again. No driving though!
Zingari Posted 30 December 2007 Posted 30 December 2007 Does this not being qualified unless you are a parent include teachers? Should we abolish schools? What about youth centres, clubs scouts and suchlike Should they be run by 80 year old grannies because granny knows best.This discussion should be in a seperate thread as this one belongs to drunk drivers. soberist
blue blood Posted 30 December 2007 Author Posted 30 December 2007 Aye up, Just to try and help to pull this discussion back on track... I have cracked my knee cap and damaged tissues around my shoulder! Apart from that i am all ok! The driver of the other car was cought and tested to be 4 times over. I think my car will be a total loss but i will find out next week when the insurance people get hold of it. Hope u all have a good new years!
Zingari Posted 30 December 2007 Posted 30 December 2007 Aye up,Just to try and help to pull this discussion back on track... I have craced my knee cap and damaged tissues around my shoulder! Apart from that i am all ok! The driver of the other car was cought and tested to be 4 times over. I think my car will be a total loss but i will find out next week when the insurance people get hold of it. Hope u all have a good new years! glad you're not too bad cracked kneecaps can take a while to heal though and have a nasty habit of giving way when you are least expecting it ( mine did a few times anyway ) all the best and happy new year
Hullfox Posted 30 December 2007 Posted 30 December 2007 glad you're not too bad cracked kneecaps can take a while to heal though and have a nasty habit of giving way when you are least expecting it ( mine did a few times anyway ) all the best and happy new year Was yours a punishment beating?
Zingari Posted 30 December 2007 Posted 30 December 2007 Was yours a punishment beating? :D no , although i've probably deserved one or two
Thracian Posted 30 December 2007 Posted 30 December 2007 Aye up,Just to try and help to pull this discussion back on track... I have craced my knee cap and damaged tissues around my shoulder! Apart from that i am all ok! The driver of the other car was cought and tested to be 4 times over. I think my car will be a total loss but i will find out next week when the insurance people get hold of it. Hope u all have a good new years! FOUR TIMES! ======== Sounds one hell of a lot different to the lady I mentioned. That's not what I'd define as drink driving. That's more like causing death by dangerous driving or recklessly endangering life when he was not only drunk but totally incapable of controlling a car, which was effectively being used as a lethal weapon. Glad you survived relatively intact. I wonder if the driver will survive when the family of his mate get hold of him.
blue blood Posted 30 December 2007 Author Posted 30 December 2007 FOUR TIMES! ======== Sounds one hell of a lot different to the lady I mentioned. That's not what I'd define as drink driving. That's more like causing death by dangerous driving or recklessly endangering life when he was not only drunk but totally incapable of controlling a car, which was effectively being used as a lethal weapon. Glad you survived relatively intact. I wonder if the driver will survive when the family of his mate get hold of him. In a slightly twisted way i feel a bit sorry for him, he has wrecked his life, it will be on his head, he will prob end up with a record so will struggle to get a good job. Thats the message im trying to push out. Was it worth it?
Sparky Posted 31 December 2007 Posted 31 December 2007 Glad to hear your ok mate. ive lost 2 people close to me in road accidents in seperate incidents and although alcohol didnt play its part in either incident i have no sympathy for anyone who may lose thier license or get big fines for being over the limit
Rincewind Posted 31 December 2007 Posted 31 December 2007 The law may be an ass in marginal cases as Thracian seems to believe but if attacked from behind an ass has a nasty habit of kicking you in the bollox, Safer to be its friend and not upset it too much.
Hullfox Posted 31 December 2007 Posted 31 December 2007 And on that profound statement, close the thread.
Zingari Posted 3 January 2008 Posted 3 January 2008 And on that profound statement, close the thread. Not yet, here's another example of poor driving , that woman is changing gear on a bend , very poor driving skills
DB11 Posted 13 January 2015 Posted 13 January 2015 I wonder if the attitudes towards drink driving have changed in 7 years. I can't believe reading this some were trying to justify it, but hey I couldn't drive nor drink in 2007
leicsmac Posted 13 January 2015 Posted 13 January 2015 My cousin died at the age of 10 because of a probably drunk driver who then didn't stop and was never found. Zero, zero tolerance. If you drink and drive you are engaging in the most reprehensible act of irresponsible twattery and are endangering not only your own stupid arse but also that of anyone you come across. If you are caught you deserve everything the law can throw at you and more. Perhaps the personal nature of this clouds my judgement on it, but quite frankly I don't care. Edit: Eyewitnesses saw him/her/they/whatever weaving but never caught the plates, hence the 'probably' part.
ADK Posted 13 January 2015 Posted 13 January 2015 It's only Thracian and Daggers that don't join in the pitch fork waving and they aren't really saying it is right as such. Personally think people can have no complaints if they get caught and banned. We have quite a lenient drink driving limit so it's not something you can do accidentally without intending to do it.
Guest MattP Posted 13 January 2015 Posted 13 January 2015 Now that was an interesting read. Some opinions I didn't expect from people. I think opinions on this will come with where you are from, driving after a few is pretty normal if you grew up in the sticks. Clearly isn't right though, especially if you have had a shit load instead of just 5-6.
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