Drink Driving

[Hullfox]

You've had an answer which was perfectly serious.

Read the article you submitted.

Then answer your own question.

I'm sure you don't need my help.

No, for once I do.

What sort of people?

[Rincewind]

nasty foreigners?

[Thracian]

No, for once I do.

What sort of people?

I'm still going to let you think about it some. Won't do you any harm.

[Thracian]

nasty foreigners?

Not sure how you mean that to sound at all.

That somehow I think foreigners are nasty per se.

Or that these were nasty foreigners?

[danny.]

the people talking about speeding.

come on, speeding does NOT cause accidents. Bad driving causes accidents. It is obvious some limits are stupidly slow (tigers way, dual carriage way, no houses, no people - 30mph etc. etc. I could name so many roads like this), and I don't see how a good driver doing 10mph over the limit is dangerous.

On the other hand an idiot driver, doing over the limit or even within the limit when it isn't appropriate is far more dangerous.

[Hullfox]

I'm still going to let you think about it some. Won't do you any harm.

Oh I've thought about it and I know what I think you mean.

You just won't come out and say it as you really mean it though.

[Hullfox]

nasty foreigners?

Not much of a denial coming through Ken. You might have got it in one.

[cisono]

the people talking about speeding.

come on, speeding does NOT cause accidents. Bad driving causes accidents. It is obvious some limits are stupidly slow (tigers way, dual carriage way, no houses, no people - 30mph etc. etc. I could name so many roads like this), and I don't see how a good driver doing 10mph over the limit is dangerous.

On the other hand an idiot driver, doing over the limit or even within the limit when it isn't appropriate is far more dangerous.

Agreed.

Stupidly slow speed limits cause people to commute for much longer than needed

and cause them to speed somewhere along the way...

[Daggers]

Anyway, time for a beer.

Post of the Thread

[cisono]

5,000 moterists were stopped in Leicestershire over the xmas period in speeding related incidents and will most likely face prosecution.

I read something along these lines but the number related to people caught speeding, not accidents caused by speeding? (could be a different article though, unless by "speeding related incidents" you mean instances of speeding)

In any case, I think speeding guns should be illegal. Not only are they imprecise, but I don't see under what authority members of the public can brandish them in such a threatening way...

[Thracian]

the people talking about speeding.

come on, speeding does NOT cause accidents. Bad driving causes accidents. It is obvious some limits are stupidly slow (tigers way, dual carriage way, no houses, no people - 30mph etc. etc. I could name so many roads like this), and I don't see how a good driver doing 10mph over the limit is dangerous.

On the other hand an idiot driver, doing over the limit or even within the limit when it isn't appropriate is far more dangerous.

Often the speeder becomes involved in an accident because a slower driver has not seen them or has themselves been forced to take evasive action in the case of a lorry pushing in.

Or the speeder can become the victim of circumstances like a blow out in the fast lane which has in fact happened three times to members of my family - the blowout that is, not necessarily the speeding .

Excess speeding and resulting loss of control, particularly in certain conditions, can in itself cause accidents but the potential consequences are no less if a third party becomes involved through making a mistake.

I would agree some limits are set too slow. And some should be changed according to the time of day.

But the problem of travelling at speeds higher than 70/75mph comes when the unusual or unexpected occurs and there is so little time or space to put things right.

For example and from my own experience: Blow out, hitting a flood caused by a blocked drain at night, muntjac jumping into the road right ahead of me, jacknifing artic on a damp road, black ice where a road dipped, speeding motorbike passing into my blindspot, motorist crossing into my lane by mistake.

Okay, I avoided accidents on each occasion apart from the muntjac but I was fortunate and any accident at high speed is always likely to cause considerable problems.

[Thracian]

Not much of a denial coming through Ken. You might have got it in one.

I honestly don't think you get it which I suppose shouldn't surprise me, though it would worry me if you were responsible for our immigration policy.

But then if that were the case I wouldn't be the least surprised if such incidents weren't a regular feature of our daily news.

Cos if you would let such people in, it is hard to imagine who you would ever turn down.

Their being foreign is of no relevence - apart from them seeking the hospitality of our country - but their being worse than nasty is and that sort of nastiness which actually sounds more to me like insanity, doesn't manifest itself suddenly or as a one-off.

Any sort of investigation would have set alarm bells ringing I am quite certain.

Pity officials aren't made fully answerable for their decisions.

Then maybe such appalling crimes couldn't occur anything like as often.

Tell you what too. I know a fair few immigrants - including my main golf partners - but I don't know any who would like that lot living next to them.

[Hullfox]

I honestly don't think you get it which I suppose shouldn't surprise me, though it would worry me if you were responsible for our immigration policy.

But then if that were the case I wouldn't be the least surprised if such incidents weren't a regular feature of our daily news.

Cos if you would let such people in, it is hard to imagine who you would ever turn down.

Their being foreign is of no relevence - apart from them seeking the hospitality of our country - but their being worse than nasty is and that sort of nastiness which actually sounds more to me like insanity, doesn't manifest itself suddenly or as a one-off.

Any sort of investigation would have set alarm bells ringing I am quite certain.

Pity officials aren't made fully answerable for their decisions.

Then maybe such appalling crimes couldn't occur anything like as often.

Tell you what too. I know a fair few immigrants - including my main golf partners - but I don't know any who would like that lot living next to them.

Bastards must have ticked the no box on the "are you nasty?" question when they came in.

I think we both know where your sentiments are coming from.

[Rincewind]

cisomo I did mean the number of motorists stopped not involved in accidents. I n a previous post Thracian said speeding motorists were not stopped. How many of those stopped would also be drink driving related?

As said before that woman was charged with drink driving not causing the accident or bad driving of any kind. It would have been unfair to have let her off when hundreds are stopped each day from all walks of life and are fined or banned.just because she came from a certain section of people.

I am not a parent but I feel I know when a child has had a good upbringing. You do not instantly become a good parent when the child is born. That is why there are guidelines and people to implement them who have expertise and have studied the subject over many years and have seen good and bad parenting through their job.

I do not beilieve the ones in that case were nast because they were foreingners. It was a hint to Thracians thoughts. As in many similar case it was not known what they were like immediately and investigations were carried out. Just because they were not born here does not mean they were were going to do what they did.

There are plenty born in this country wgho do the same thing. They also probably say they dont want authorities telling them how to bring up their children.

[Zingari]

Thracian , although you have made some very interesting and worthwhile points and counter arguments , the drink drive law in all probability is thankfully ( on balance ) here to stay.

And now that the ubiquitous "race card " has again been ( imo, irrelevantly unnecessarily and unfairly) played against you , you may as well give up.

[Hullfox]

Thracian , although you have made some very interesting and worthwhile points and counter arguments , the drink drive law in all probability is thankfully ( on balance ) here to stay.

And now that the ubiquitous "race card " has again been ( imo, irrelevantly unnecessarily and unfairly) played against you , you may as well give up.

To support Thracian because in your opinion a poster has made a comment which you deem to be irrelevant, unnecessary and unfair, in this thread of all threads is irony at it's finest.

[Zingari]

To support Thracian because in your opinion a poster has made a comment which you deem to be irrelevant, unnecessary and unfair, in this thread of all threads is irony at it's finest.

i didn't support him , read it again

[Daggers]

i didn't support him , read it again

Depends how you define support

[Hullfox]

i didn't support him , read it again

Sorry I've read it again.

It is in fact a complete condemnation of all he has said.

My apologies.

[Daggers]

Sorry I've read it again.

It is in fact a complete condemnation of all he has said.

My apologies.

This is because in this topsy-turvy City wonderland bad is good, rich is poor and to support someone you actually have to 'boo' them.

[Hullfox]

This is because in this topsy-turvy City wonderland bad is good, rich is poor and to support someone you actually have to 'boo' them.

Therefore I boo loudly in your general direction you bad person you.

[Daggers]

Therefore I boo loudly in your general direction you bad person you.

They should make Hullfox t-shirts.

And a sit-com.

[Bellend Sebastian]

the people talking about speeding.

come on, speeding does NOT cause accidents. Bad driving causes accidents. It is obvious some limits are stupidly slow (tigers way, dual carriage way, no houses, no people - 30mph etc. etc. I could name so many roads like this), and I don't see how a good driver doing 10mph over the limit is dangerous.

On the other hand an idiot driver, doing over the limit or even within the limit when it isn't appropriate is far more dangerous.

That's not a good example, chap. Tigers Way may be a dual carriage way, but it also boasts a set of traffic lights at the bottom of a hill, queueing traffic, a tight bend with limited visibility and at certain times (i.e. match days) high volumes of pedestrians using it. It's a prime candidate for a speed camera, and that's even before the accident rate there is taken into account, which incidentally, it always is. I've no idea what the figures are, but considering I don't drive down there that often I was very fortunate not to be involved in an accident a matter of months before the cameras went in, when I was merrily tootling along Tigers Way going in the direction of Welford Road, and a BMW coming round the bend from the opposite direction too quickly span out of control and bounced off the central reservation about level with my car (a heart stopping moment, I can tell you) before crossing back over the carriageway and ending up embedded in the railings of Nelson Mandela Park.

Of course speeding causes accidents. A lot of people may not respect the rules of the road, but you cannot ignore the rules of physics. The faster an object travels the longer it takes for it to stop, and if it doesn't stop, the harder it will hit whatever it comes into contact with. Even when excessive speed is not the cause of the accident itself, it can increase its severity and lead to greater damage to vehicles and increase the likelihood of injury or death to the people involved

[Hullfox]

They should make Hullfox t-shirts.

And a sit-com.

Theme Park?

[Fez of Mahrez]

Theme Park?

I'm a bit concerned as to what the rides would involve.