Moreton Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I think it has something to do with the coaching staff. I say we sack all of the coaches, apart form Ollie and his assistant, and spend abit of money on some quality coaches. Fook Mike Stowels and Co. Milan has changed so much at this club, he has said he has spent £11 Million so far which has mostly gone twords new players and 3 new managers, this season, and their has been no change in our fortunes since this has happend so we now no that our problems do not lie in with the below par Manager or the playing staff. He should invest a little more on some quality coaches to get the quality out of the Good players who lost their Umpf when they came to Leicester City.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I think it has something to do with the coaching staff. I say we sack all of the coaches, apart form Ollie and his assistant, and spend abit of money on some quality coaches. Fook Mike Stowels and Co. Milan has changed so much at this club, he has said he has spent £11 Million so far which has mostly gone twords new players and 3 new managers, this season, and their has been no change in our fortunes since this has happend so we now no that our problems do not lie in with the below par Manager or the playing staff. He should invest a little more on some quality coaches to get the quality out of the Good players who lost their Umpf when they came to Leicester City. A professional facilitator, guidance for Ollie in man management (Clinical Supervision) is what I reckon wouldn't go amiss. To help him reflect and improve his relationship with individual players.
davieG Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I think it has something to do with the coaching staff. I say we sack all of the coaches, apart form Ollie and his assistant, and spend abit of money on some quality coaches. Fook Mike Stowels and Co. Milan has changed so much at this club, he has said he has spent £11 Million so far which has mostly gone twords new players and 3 new managers, this season, and their has been no change in our fortunes since this has happend so we now no that our problems do not lie in with the below par Manager or the playing staff. He should invest a little more on some quality coaches to get the quality out of the Good players who lost their Umpf when they came to Leicester City. Tree up barking wrong? Ian Holloway - Manager Tim Breacker - Manager's Assistant Des Bulpin - Manager's Assistant Gary Penrice - Head of Recruitment Gerry Taggart -Reserve Team Manager Ade Stovell - Fitness Coach - Mike Stowell - Goalkeeping Coach All but Taggart & Stowell were Ollie's apointments/previous coaching team, I doubt whether Stowell is having any significant input and the Reserves seem to be performing fine with Taggart
Flynny Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Tree up barking wrong?Ian Holloway - Manager Tim Breacker - Manager's Assistant Des Bulpin - Manager's Assistant Gary Penrice - Head of Recruitment Gerry Taggart -Reserve Team Manager Ade Stovell - Fitness Coach - Mike Stowell - Goalkeeping Coach All but Taggart & Stowell were Ollie's apointments/previous coaching team, I doubt whether Stowell is having any significant input and the Reserves seem to be performing fine with Taggart Last point is the most important. We CAN pass and move, our first team just doesn't. You can see them squabbling and jogging around the pitch not expecting a pass instead of busting a gut to provide an option.
Zingari Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 A professional facilitator, guidance for Ollie in man management (Clinical Supervision) is what I reckon wouldn't go amiss. To help him reflect and improve his relationship with individual players. is this a joke or are you a local council gobbledegook human resources enlistment officer
Koke Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Off-topic - But what's that £11 million figure flying around. Are the calculators at Milan's office broken or have I missed something?
Flynny Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Off-topic - But what's that £11 million figure flying around. Are the calculators at Milan's office broken or have I missed something? Exactly. I thought everyone who read the Mercury knew that Milan gave us £25 million!
Moreton Posted 14 February 2008 Author Posted 14 February 2008 Exactly. I thought everyone who read the Mercury knew that Milan gave us £25 million! No £25 Million is the amount he bought the club for. I thought that money went to our previous owner?
Koke Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Exactly. I thought everyone who read the Mercury knew that Milan gave us £25 million! Bad attempt at sarcasm Sir Flynny £11 million for players (releasing & recruiting) and managers? Is he serious?
Flynny Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 No £25 Million is the amount he bought the club for. I thought that money went to our previous owner? Oh dear. Bad attempt at sarcasm Sir Flynny £11 million for players (releasing & recruiting) and managers? Is he serious? Yeah well he didn't have to pay off Rob Kelly at all because it was a 1-year rolling contract and so was about to expire... I'll stop. Old jokes are funny.
Daggers Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Off-topic - But what's that £11 million figure flying around. Are the calculators at Milan's office broken or have I missed something? Nope, they're fine. They're telling me I only weigh 10.5 stone and have a 14 inch penis. Everything is good.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 is this a joke or are you a local council gobbledegook human resources enlistment officer No and No, however I appreciate your scepticism. All managers should have some sort of confident to bounce their ideas and experience off, especially in relation to man management. They don't even have to know anything about football, its about getting the best out of the people you instruct. The very fact there are a bunch of dynamics involved in managing a team that comes down to how you interact with people, such as emotion, appearance, attitude delivery of communication...etc ...etc.. In my assessment we have a group of individuals who have all had relationships with numerous managers whom respectively have demanded different levels of effort, playing styles, roles and boundaries. Imagine going to work and the particular aspects of your role which you enjoy and feel you are good at are not appreciated by your new boss and you are given new instructions perform differently and in a different role..... for a few weeks you must be thinking "what the f**k" feeling dejected by the new methods and the teams' performance if you're not achieving your 'goal' - square pegs in round holes is one thing, now consider you are Ian Hume?.... How fed up do you think he is tonight? A clinical supervisor would listen to a manager feeding back his methods to players who may have a working knowledge (or not) of those which the manager is supervising and assist in offering alternative approaches. I'll give you a basic example, if my boss comes up to me and says, "what's your opinion on this" I give him my answer and then he says "what do you think you would do about this and how would you best deal with it to ensure we get the desired result?" I will then end up telling him exactly the same thing (if the question is phrased and presented correctly) that he wanted without him walking in to a room and saying "Do this" when my ego and pride, workload and propensity to blame others may have got in the way. Having someone working with players to forge closer understanding of each other, their needs from their colleagues and understanding of the way they play by forging motivational partnerships, playing and communication styles would also be useful. Me and you may not agree with each other but if we had to complete a military night exercise together evading capture and a kicking we would have a bond from that experience which would mean that we would know how to work effectively together whether we liked each other or not. I'm not some pink and fluffy counseling warm hug merchant but I do have insight in to man management skills and how to develop them. I am sure in your life there have been times when you could have dealt with intense, emotional and confrontational situations differently, clinical supervision gives you ideas in how not to screw it up. Footballers are proud, egotistical, people in general to deal with and that is a tough audience to motivate instruct and set boundaries for week in week out. Christ, for this to work effectively the team needs to feel like something close to a family whether they like each other or not. I am willing to bet that the dressing rooms in the top four clubs in the country are like this and its not just winning that they have in common. If you think that many high profile football managers, people in pressure jobs in the government and business don't have mentors/sponsors/supervisors you are mistaken. As a manager your job is to get the best out of your staff and having someone to bounce ideas off confidentially is surely good practice. Managers need to motivate players to perform well in their holistic lifestyles and attitude not just 9-5. N.
Koke Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Nope, they're fine.They're telling me I only weigh 10.5 stone and have a 14 inch penis. Everything is good. One of Daggers' biggest myth to date. Surely you used the wrong measurements.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 One of Daggers' biggest myth to date. Surely you used the wrong measurements. I have just received two PM's from two senior foxestalk members that verify his penis measurement.
Daggers Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I have just received two PM's from two senior foxestalk members that verify his penis measurement. TO say I am miffed that only two have so far testified to this is an understatement. I shall be firing off PM's of complaint henceforth, forthwith and notwithstanding.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 TO say I am miffed that only two have so far testified to this is an understatement.I shall be firing off PM's of complaint henceforth, forthwith and notwithstanding. fair play, however you may want to challenge them regarding the 10.5 Stone thing as they were particularly cutting about this. sorry, I'm your friend and felt duty bound to tell you...... publicly.
Thracian Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I think it has something to do with the coaching staff. I say we sack all of the coaches, apart form Ollie and his assistant, and spend abit of money on some quality coaches. Fook Mike Stowels and Co. Milan has changed so much at this club, he has said he has spent £11 Million so far which has mostly gone twords new players and 3 new managers, this season, and their has been no change in our fortunes since this has happend so we now no that our problems do not lie in with the below par Manager or the playing staff. He should invest a little more on some quality coaches to get the quality out of the Good players who lost their Umpf when they came to Leicester City. I imagine the £11m includes the £6m+ a bit he spent on buying the club which he'll probably recover from the sale of Mattock if the guy ever gets back in the side and Gradel if he ever gets picked at all. I don't know if the club is worth more now than when he purchased it but, if not, that's because he's made some ridiculous investments football wise and if he'd given me a ring in the first place he'd have saved at least half of his players and wages outlay because there's at least 11 players who would have never got near a Leicester shirt. What's wrong with Stowell and Beaglehole for pity's sake? Such assets as we've got have largely been developed by Beaglehole. Stowell too has done his bit quite effectively with the reserves and has always looked to be hard working with our goalkeepers. In fact I don't recall our main goalkeepers letting us down in any dramatic fashion over the last few years. As for quality coaches they'll almost certainly be doing what the managers want in terms of emphasis and, at every level below first team, they've done bloody well. At first team level I've no idea if the failings are the coaches or the manager's. All I'd say is it wouldn't do for me. But then I didn't even like drawing football matches never mind losing them. I've watched sessions at Belvoir Drive in Martin Allen's day and they seemed imaginative enough. City were ninth in the table at the time, or something like that, and Mandaric decided Allen wasn't what he wanted. Clever that when you reflect on the situation today. Okay, those training sessions never seemed hard enough from where I stood but the sort of coaching/training I believed in would probably be illegal now and banned as a form of cruelty cos, for a start, they'd all be doing an eight-hour day (if allowed) and scientists/psychologists/pat-on-the-back merchants wouldn't exist. It's the manager who puts "umph" into players. You do that by complimenting what they're good at, recognising what they're bad at, committing yourself to improving the latter and persuading them that you're the best thing for their career they'll ever come across. You don't do it by criticising them in public. You're their leader. You look after every single one of them. Hanging anyone out to dry is not an option. In military terms you bring everyone home and if there's anything wrong with the football side of a football club, the buck stops with the manager. Not with his colleagues.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I imagine the £11m includes the £6m+ a bit he spent on buying the club which he'll probably recover from the sale of Mattock if the guy ever gets back in the side and Gradel if he ever gets picked at all. I don't know if the club is worth more now than when he purchased it but, if not, that's because he's made some ridiculous investments football wise and if he'd given me a ring in the first place he'd have saved at least half of his players and wages outlay because there's at least 11 players who would have never got near a Leicester shirt. What's wrong with Stowell and Beaglehole for pity's sake? Such assets as we've got have largely been developed by Beaglehole. Stowell too has done his bit quite effectively with the reserves and has always looked to be hard working with our goalkeepers. In fact I don't recall our main goalkeepers letting us down in any dramatic fashion over the last few years. As for quality coaches they'll almost certainly be doing what the managers want in terms of emphasis and, at every level below first team, they've done bloody well. At first team level I've no idea if the failings are the coaches or the manager's. All I'd say is it wouldn't do for me. But then I didn't even like drawing football matches never mind losing them. I've watched sessions at Belvoir Drive in Martin Allen's day and they seemed imaginative enough. City were ninth in the table at the time, or something like that, and Mandaric decided Allen wasn't what he wanted. Clever that when you reflect on the situation today. Okay, those training sessions never seemed hard enough from where I stood but the sort of coaching/training I believed in would probably be illegal now and banned as a form of cruelty cos, for a start, they'd all be doing an eight-hour day (if allowed) and scientists/psychologists/pat-on-the-back merchants wouldn't exist. It's the manager who puts "umph" into players. You do that by complimenting what they're good at, recognising what they're bad at, committing yourself to improving the latter and persuading them that you're the best thing for their career they'll ever come across. You don't do it by criticising them in public. You're their leader. You look after every single one of them. Hanging anyone out to dry is not an option. In military terms you bring everyone home and if there's anything wrong with the football side of a football club, the buck stops with the manager. Not with his colleagues. I imagine the £11m includes the £6m+ a bit he spent on buying the club which he'll probably recover from the sale of Mattock if the guy ever gets back in the side and Gradel if he ever gets picked at all. I don't know if the club is worth more now than when he purchased it but, if not, that's because he's made some ridiculous investments football wise and if he'd given me a ring in the first place he'd have saved at least half of his players and wages outlay because there's at least 11 players who would have never got near a Leicester shirt. What's wrong with Stowell and Beaglehole for pity's sake? Such assets as we've got have largely been developed by Beaglehole. Stowell too has done his bit quite effectively with the reserves and has always looked to be hard working with our goalkeepers. In fact I don't recall our main goalkeepers letting us down in any dramatic fashion over the last few years. As for quality coaches they'll almost certainly be doing what the managers want in terms of emphasis and, at every level below first team, they've done bloody well. At first team level I've no idea if the failings are the coaches or the manager's. All I'd say is it wouldn't do for me. But then I didn't even like drawing football matches never mind losing them. I've watched sessions at Belvoir Drive in Martin Allen's day and they seemed imaginative enough. City were ninth in the table at the time, or something like that, and Mandaric decided Allen wasn't what he wanted. Clever that when you reflect on the situation today. Okay, those training sessions never seemed hard enough from where I stood but the sort of coaching/training I believed in would probably be illegal now and banned as a form of cruelty cos, for a start, they'd all be doing an eight-hour day (if allowed) and scientists/psychologists/pat-on-the-back merchants wouldn't exist. It's the manager who puts "umph" into players. You do that by complimenting what they're good at, recognising what they're bad at, committing yourself to improving the latter and persuading them that you're the best thing for their career they'll ever come across. You don't do it by criticising them in public. You're their leader. You look after every single one of them. Hanging anyone out to dry is not an option. In military terms you bring everyone home and if there's anything wrong with the football side of a football club, the buck stops with the manager. Not with his colleagues. good post, hope you enjoyed your meal.
Koke Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I don't know but maybe I'm more optimistic than everyone else, cos I think eventually we'll get out of this mess. There are way too many games left to draw conclusions about whether we'll get relegated or not. This division is so tight that even if we draw the next 3 games we could still be above the relegation drop zone. If we're still two points above the drop zone come late March/begin April then I'd seriously worry. But for now, despite 3 straight losses, I remain optimistic. All the talk about sacking of Ollie is absolute ridiculous. However, that doesn't mean Ollie is without criticism cos he has his faults. Too much negativity around here. God forbid if we lose on Saturday. And also, lets give a bit of credit to the shiteness of the other teams too.
Thracian Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 good post, hope you enjoyed your meal. Excellent thanks.
Nick Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 I don't know but maybe I'm more optimistic than everyone else, cos I think eventually we'll get out of this mess. There are way too many games left to draw conclusions about whether we'll get relegated or not. This division is so tight that even if we draw the next 3 games we could still be above the relegation drop zone. If we're still two points above the drop zone come late March/begin April then I'd seriously worry. But for now, despite 3 straight losses, I remain optimistic. All the talk about sacking of Ollie is absolute ridiculous. However, that doesn't mean Ollie is without criticism cos he has his faults. Too much negativity around here. God forbid if we lose on Saturday. And also, lets give a bit of credit to the shiteness of the other teams too. AGREE ENTIRELY. brave post, mate.
Nath. Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Tree up barking wrong?Ian Holloway - Manager Tim Breacker - Manager's Assistant Des Bulpin - Manager's Assistant Gary Penrice - Head of Recruitment Gerry Taggart -Reserve Team Manager Ade Stovell - Fitness Coach - Mike Stowell - Goalkeeping Coach All but Taggart & Stowell were Ollie's apointments/previous coaching team, I doubt whether Stowell is having any significant input and the Reserves seem to be performing fine with Taggart Martin Allen brought Ade Stovell in when he was manager
Mr Happy Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 Too much negativity around here. God forbid if we lose on Saturday. If we do, expect Dowie in as the new gaffer next week
Thracian Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 If we do, expect Dowie in as the new gaffer next week Talk about Hobson's Choice.
He's not bald Posted 14 February 2008 Posted 14 February 2008 No and No, however I appreciate your scepticism. All managers should have some sort of confident to bounce their ideas and experience off, especially in relation to man management. They don't even have to know anything about football, its about getting the best out of the people you instruct. The very fact there are a bunch of dynamics involved in managing a team that comes down to how you interact with people, such as emotion, appearance, attitude delivery of communication...etc ...etc.. In my assessment we have a group of individuals who have all had relationships with numerous managers whom respectively have demanded different levels of effort, playing styles, roles and boundaries. Imagine going to work and the particular aspects of your role which you enjoy and feel you are good at are not appreciated by your new boss and you are given new instructions perform differently and in a different role..... for a few weeks you must be thinking "what the f**k" feeling dejected by the new methods and the teams' performance if you're not achieving your 'goal' - square pegs in round holes is one thing, now consider you are Ian Hume?.... How fed up do you think he is tonight? A clinical supervisor would listen to a manager feeding back his methods to players who may have a working knowledge (or not) of those which the manager is supervising and assist in offering alternative approaches. I'll give you a basic example, if my boss comes up to me and says, "what's your opinion on this" I give him my answer and then he says "what do you think you would do about this and how would you best deal with it to ensure we get the desired result?" I will then end up telling him exactly the same thing (if the question is phrased and presented correctly) that he wanted without him walking in to a room and saying "Do this" when my ego and pride, workload and propensity to blame others may have got in the way. Having someone working with players to forge closer understanding of each other, their needs from their colleagues and understanding of the way they play by forging motivational partnerships, playing and communication styles would also be useful. Me and you may not agree with each other but if we had to complete a military night exercise together evading capture and a kicking we would have a bond from that experience which would mean that we would know how to work effectively together whether we liked each other or not. I'm not some pink and fluffy counseling warm hug merchant but I do have insight in to man management skills and how to develop them. I am sure in your life there have been times when you could have dealt with intense, emotional and confrontational situations differently, clinical supervision gives you ideas in how not to screw it up. Footballers are proud, egotistical, people in general to deal with and that is a tough audience to motivate instruct and set boundaries for week in week out. Christ, for this to work effectively the team needs to feel like something close to a family whether they like each other or not. I am willing to bet that the dressing rooms in the top four clubs in the country are like this and its not just winning that they have in common. If you think that many high profile football managers, people in pressure jobs in the government and business don't have mentors/sponsors/supervisors you are mistaken. As a manager your job is to get the best out of your staff and having someone to bounce ideas off confidentially is surely good practice. Managers need to motivate players to perform well in their holistic lifestyles and attitude not just 9-5. N. Bet that's exactly what Shanks,Cloughie,Ramsey et al, used to ponder on...prat!
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