Blinded by Optimism

[Master Fox]

There's clearly a deeper problem.

Holloway maybe sh*t, who knows? But either way, the fact we've been sh*t from the first game of the season isn't suddenly going to change. No manager out there has anything better to offer than Holloway, and there’s very little chance their going to come in and miraculously change our fortunes given the problems we’re faced with.

I think all we can do is grin and bare it the best we can. Accept our fate, it's been on the cards for a long time now. Mandaric is the biggest **** in my eyes for giving us hope.

[Mack]

The potential 'uplift' from a change of Manager may just last long enough to keep us up.

I also think Holloway is showing false loyalty by picking naff players because he has signed them.

A new face would mean another level playing field and another perspective.

Maybe there is a miracle worker out there that can just get this shower we call our team to put their back into it!?

If we stay as we are we are dead, so we may aswell change and hope it has the desired results.

[Webbo]

There's clearly a deeper problem.

Holloway maybe sh*t, who knows? But either way, the fact we've been sh*t from the first game of the season isn't suddenly going to change. No manager out there has anything better to offer than Holloway, and there’s very little chance their going to come in an miraculously change our fortunes given the problems we’re faced with.

I think all we can do is grin and bare it the best we can. Accept our fate, it's been on the cards for a long time now. Mandaric is the biggest **** in my eyes for giving us hope.

Well said and quite unlike you, post some tits and cheer us all up.

[Koke]

Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager. And if we get rid of him, we will not find anyone who can offer better things than he does. It'll do us no good.

We were shit from day one. We are shit now.

The players has a lot to answer for.

[C-man]

There's clearly a deeper problem.

Holloway maybe sh*t, who knows? But either way, the fact we've been sh*t from the first game of the season isn't suddenly going to change. No manager out there has anything better to offer than Holloway, and there’s very little chance their going to come in an miraculously change our fortunes given the problems we’re faced with.

I think all we can do is grin and bare it the best we can. Accept our fate, it's been on the cards for a long time now. Mandaric is the biggest **** in my eyes for giving us hope.

Probably the best post I've read all night.

All we can do now is hope that Holloway can somehow turn it round.

[FleckneyFox]

The players are clearly blinded by something. They cant find the back of the net.

[DanTheFox07]

Probably the best post I've read all night.

All we can do now is hope that Holloway can somehow turn it round.

After all thats been said i agree best post this evening...... Ollie isnt a bad manager is he? after all he built a competant plymouth team and left them for us, he has inherited so much rubbish and needs a whole summer to give this club a much need facelift be it in league one or the championship

[coale39]

The worrying thing for me is that I cant think of anything specific thats bad and needs drastic changes. If I had to say I would say the strikers but they scored a few last season so... . In previous seasons it was easy to point the finger (low, horsefield, maybury playin right mid) at players that have never been any good.Were just shit at putting the ball in the net, just not performing. Its really sad.

[FleckneyFox]

Like Ollie said a week or two ago, its the past of the club and we are constantly looking back

[wirralsimon]

I'm just numb.

It's too late in the season to sack the manager.

It's hard to be optimistic though, I think I need a drink!

simon

[He's not bald]

Like Ollie said a week or two ago, its the past of the club and we are constantly looking back

f f s stop making excuses for him,it's his fecking team out there,when was the last time we actually scored a goal? 7 hours and 38 mins..that's when!...fecking pathetic and he has to go!

[SOCCERROO FOX]

There's clearly a deeper problem.

Holloway maybe sh*t, who knows? But either way, the fact we've been sh*t from the first game of the season isn't suddenly going to change. No manager out there has anything better to offer than Holloway, and there’s very little chance their going to come in and miraculously change our fortunes given the problems we’re faced with.

I think all we can do is grin and bare it the best we can. Accept our fate, it's been on the cards for a long time now. Mandaric is the biggest **** in my eyes for giving us hope.

Exactly we've dodged the bullet for too long now, So its time to deal with our fate and accept it and hope IF we do go down we can come straight back up.

[FilboFox]

There's clearly a deeper problem.

Holloway maybe sh*t, who knows? But either way, the fact we've been sh*t from the first game of the season isn't suddenly going to change. No manager out there has anything better to offer than Holloway, and there’s very little chance their going to come in and miraculously change our fortunes given the problems we’re faced with.

I think all we can do is grin and bare it the best we can. Accept our fate, it's been on the cards for a long time now. Mandaric is the biggest **** in my eyes for giving us hope.

Yeah... agree with that really. At least Ollie is trying to instill some passion in the team... all be it that the players don't seem to get it!

[FilboFox]

f f s stop making excuses for him,it's his fecking team out there,when was the last time we actually scored a goal? 7 hours and 38 mins..that's when!...fecking pathetic and he has to go!

Thats crap... how many chances have we created in the last few games!?! LOADS!!! Ollie can only tell them how to make them... he can't put them in the back of the FOOKING net for them can he!!!

[FilboFox]

After all thats been said i agree best post this evening...... Ollie isnt a bad manager is he? after all he built a competant plymouth team and left them for us, he has inherited so much rubbish and needs a whole summer to give this club a much need facelift be it in league one or the championship

Thank god... there are other people who think like me... I've been driven mad by the people on here who want instant success and Ollie out...

[Lets Be having You]

Thats crap... how many chances have we created in the last few games!?! LOADS!!! Ollie can only tell them how to make them... he can't put them in the back of the FOOKING net for them can he!!!

Spot on,dont blame ollie its the shower of shite we call players,no guts ,no passion,no fooking goals,we are in the shit,and this lot of players are not bothered,they will fook off,when we are in DIV1,and belive me are going there,just look at the last 4 seasons,this has been going to happen,this time our luck ran out.

[FilboFox]

Spot on,dont blame ollie its the shower of shite we call players,no guts ,no passion,no fooking goals,we are in the shit,and this lot of players are not bothered,they will fook off,when we are in DIV1,and belive me are going there,just look at the last 4 seasons,this has been going to happen,this time our luck ran out.

Come now. We have got to keep believing in Leicester and that we can stay up... otherwise the players will too and then we ARE stuffed!

COME ON LEICESTER!!!

[newman]

Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager. And if we get rid of him, we will not find anyone who can offer better things than he does. It'll do us no good.

We were shit from day one. We are shit now.

The players has a lot to answer for.

I've sat on the touchline of this messageboard for years now but thought its about time I made an appearance.

I've followed the debates about Holloway with much interest on this site from the early days when 'we' all worshipped him and the Plymouth fans were the only ones on here who had a bad word to say about him to the point now where 'we' are rounding on him too.

At the risk of sounding wise after the event I can tell you that in my opinion Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager - he has never been a good one!

He has a few good qualities in that he can be quite an uplifting character and can be quite inspirational but here's how I see it. He is a small man with the mindset of an underdog. At both Bristol Rovers and Plymouth in particular that worked in his favour. He could play the underdog card quite successfully and galvanise the players, the fans and the boards behind him.

At a big club like ours he's looked like a startled rabbit from day one - a totally different animal to the one we saw from time to time when interviewed at his smaller clubs.

I've been amazed how some fans on here have "bigged-up" his achievements at Plymouth. I've heard it said so many times that he left them in 4th position. He didn't, they went 4th whilst he was down at Bristol City with us. When he left they were 7th and closer to 10th if you took into account games in hand other teams had on them.

I've heard it said that he built a great side at Plymouth on a limited budget. He didn't build a great side - he inherited a team and a club ethos that had been grown over the previous seven years, largely by the now-returned Paul Sturrock. If Holloway had built such a great side there and is such a great manager then how come they had the guts ripped out of that side in January, suffered badly for 4 games but are now back in just as good a position as when Holloway left?

Holloway's tactical ineptitude has been there for all to see. If you ever read the Plymouth or QPR message boards when he was still popular in those parts you'll have noticed that its a recurring theme. He will take us down to League 1 - of that you can be sure I'm afraid.

[FilboFox]

I've sat on the touchline of this messageboard for years now but thought its about time I made an appearance.

I've followed the debates about Holloway with much interest on this site from the early days when 'we' all worshipped him and the Plymouth fans were the only ones on here who had a bad word to say about him to the point now where 'we' are rounding on him too.

At the risk of sounding wise after the event I can tell you that in my opinion Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager - he has never been a good one!

He has a few good qualities in that he can be quite an uplifting character and can be quite inspirational but here's how I see it. He is a small man with the mindset of an underdog. At both Bristol Rovers and Plymouth in particular that worked in his favour. He could play the underdog card quite successfully and galvanise the players, the fans and the boards behind him.

At a big club like ours he's looked like a startled rabbit from day one - a totally different animal to the one we saw from time to time when interviewed at his smaller clubs.

I've been amazed how some fans on here have "bigged-up" his achievements at Plymouth. I've heard it said so many times that he left them in 4th position. He didn't, they went 4th whilst he was down at Bristol City with us. When he left they were 7th and closer to 10th if you took into account games in hand other teams had on them.

I've heard it said that he built a great side at Plymouth on a limited budget. He didn't build a great side - he inherited a team and a club ethos that had been grown over the previous seven years, largely by the now-returned Paul Sturrock. If Holloway had built such a great side there and is such a great manager then how come they had the guts ripped out of that side in January, suffered badly for 4 games but are now back in just as good a position as when Holloway left?

Holloway's tactical ineptitude has been there for all to see. If you ever read the Plymouth or QPR message boards when he was still popular in those parts you'll have noticed that its a recurring theme. He will take us down to League 1 - of that you can be sure I'm afraid.

Hmm... and now you can leave.

Just joking ... I understand where you are coming from but he did make a lot of signings at Plymouth and was doing a very good job with them when he left and could have been on the way to a play-off place. I don't think he's tactically inept either as what he is trying to do here is correct and is what we have been wanting for quite some time... using the wings and playing the ball on the ground... the players just aren't good enough. The fact that Plymouth fans made such a fuss about him leaving and hated him for doing it clearly shows that they wanted him to stay and are now just bitter and want to see him fail as he betrayed them...

As for us being a "big" team... I think that that status has been well and truly lost now... Sc*nthorpe could draw level on points with us if they win their game in hand... says it all really...

[newman]

Hmm... and now you can leave.

Just joking ... I understand where you are coming from but he did make a lot of signings at Plymouth and was doing a very good job with them when he left and could have been on the way to a play-off place. I don't think he's tactically inept either as what he is trying to do here is correct and is what we have been wanting for quite some time... using the wings and playing the ball on the ground... the players just aren't good enough. The fact that Plymouth fans made such a fuss about him leaving and hated him for doing it clearly shows that they wanted him to stay and are now just bitter and want to see him fail as he betrayed them...

As for us being a "big" team... I think that that status has been well and truly lost now... Sc*nthorpe could draw level on points with us if they win their game in hand... says it all really...

I agree about his signings but from what I gather they were down to Penrice who obviously has an eye for talent. There are a few dodgy ones amongst them too though and lets not forget them. Cherno Samba - apparently great on Championship Manager but released recently having hardly got a kick and Rory Fallon who couldn't get in Swansea's side and has hardly set the world on fire at Plymouth to name but two.

You say that he had Plymouth on the way to a play off place when he left but is that true? Didn't he say that he was destined to lose all those players in January that eventually left? If a good manager why hadn't he fixed up contracts with them?

The Plymouth fans I've come across in my line of work tell me that they were only bitter at the devious way in which he handled his departure from their club and not because they felt he was the ideal long-term manager for their club. They had begun to notice that he didn't have a Plan B when things went wrong on the field and didn't seem to have a long-term strategy for ensuring that players were under suitable contracts.

Hey, and I didn't say we were a "big team" ...... just a "big club"

[Aixelsyd]

While I'm not 100% convinced that sacking/changing another Manager will actually do us any good, I do have to ask

"What Manager, other than a half brained one, would want to come onboard with our record of loyalty?"

[Thracian]

I've sat on the touchline of this messageboard for years now but thought its about time I made an appearance.

I've followed the debates about Holloway with much interest on this site from the early days when 'we' all worshipped him and the Plymouth fans were the only ones on here who had a bad word to say about him to the point now where 'we' are rounding on him too.

At the risk of sounding wise after the event I can tell you that in my opinion Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager - he has never been a good one!

He has a few good qualities in that he can be quite an uplifting character and can be quite inspirational but here's how I see it. He is a small man with the mindset of an underdog. At both Bristol Rovers and Plymouth in particular that worked in his favour. He could play the underdog card quite successfully and galvanise the players, the fans and the boards behind him.

At a big club like ours he's looked like a startled rabbit from day one - a totally different animal to the one we saw from time to time when interviewed at his smaller clubs.

I've been amazed how some fans on here have "bigged-up" his achievements at Plymouth. I've heard it said so many times that he left them in 4th position. He didn't, they went 4th whilst he was down at Bristol City with us. When he left they were 7th and closer to 10th if you took into account games in hand other teams had on them.

I've heard it said that he built a great side at Plymouth on a limited budget. He didn't build a great side - he inherited a team and a club ethos that had been grown over the previous seven years, largely by the now-returned Paul Sturrock. If Holloway had built such a great side there and is such a great manager then how come they had the guts ripped out of that side in January, suffered badly for 4 games but are now back in just as good a position as when Holloway left?

Holloway's tactical ineptitude has been there for all to see. If you ever read the Plymouth or QPR message boards when he was still popular in those parts you'll have noticed that its a recurring theme. He will take us down to League 1 - of that you can be sure I'm afraid.

That seems pretty perceptive to me.

[renards]

I've sat on the touchline of this messageboard for years now but thought its about time I made an appearance.

I've followed the debates about Holloway with much interest on this site from the early days when 'we' all worshipped him and the Plymouth fans were the only ones on here who had a bad word to say about him to the point now where 'we' are rounding on him too.

At the risk of sounding wise after the event I can tell you that in my opinion Holloway hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager - he has never been a good one!

He has a few good qualities in that he can be quite an uplifting character and can be quite inspirational but here's how I see it. He is a small man with the mindset of an underdog. At both Bristol Rovers and Plymouth in particular that worked in his favour. He could play the underdog card quite successfully and galvanise the players, the fans and the boards behind him.

At a big club like ours he's looked like a startled rabbit from day one - a totally different animal to the one we saw from time to time when interviewed at his smaller clubs.

I've been amazed how some fans on here have "bigged-up" his achievements at Plymouth. I've heard it said so many times that he left them in 4th position. He didn't, they went 4th whilst he was down at Bristol City with us. When he left they were 7th and closer to 10th if you took into account games in hand other teams had on them.

I've heard it said that he built a great side at Plymouth on a limited budget. He didn't build a great side - he inherited a team and a club ethos that had been grown over the previous seven years, largely by the now-returned Paul Sturrock. If Holloway had built such a great side there and is such a great manager then how come they had the guts ripped out of that side in January, suffered badly for 4 games but are now back in just as good a position as when Holloway left?

Holloway's tactical ineptitude has been there for all to see. If you ever read the Plymouth or QPR message boards when he was still popular in those parts you'll have noticed that its a recurring theme. He will take us down to League 1 - of that you can be sure I'm afraid.

good post.

The only person I have hear say hollaway is a good manager is himself, he's been very small time as a manager and player.

[newman]

good post.

The only person I have hear say hollaway is a good manager is himself, he's been very small time as a manager and player.

He talks a good game but now the chips are down he's beginning to sound like a broken record.

[Koke]

The players who are doing the business for them at the moment i.e. Halmosi, Timar one of the lads they had to sell are all Holloway signings.

You can try twist and turn the argument that he's a shit manager all you like, but the fact remains that he has shown that he's a decent manager at this level by his signings and the football Plymouth has played under him. Holloway knows a good footballer when he sees one. The only reason all these Plymouth fans are up in their arms after his departure was because he lied to them. Megson lied to us, too, but we didn't give a shit because we wanted to see the back of him. But Plymouth didn't. They wanted to keep Holloway because he was good for them, so for me, the opinion of Plymouth fans have no credibility whatsoever. The hate the bloke and you'll never get an honest opinion out of them.

Getting rid of the bloke is the easy way out but I do wonder what we will do when the bloke after him can't perform miracles in a short space of time.