Team For Sheff U

[clazkel]

With all the injurys, if they are al out i would go for

-----------------------Hendo-----------------

--Stearman------McAuley-------Kisnorbo-----Mattock

-------------------------N'Gotty-------------------------

------------Bell----------Oakley-----------Weso

------------------Fryatt-----------Howard

Subs: J Chambers, A Chambers, DJ, King, Laczko

[Sods]

Henderson

Stearman

Kismynorbo

McAuley

Clapham

Bell

Wesolowski

Oakley

Hume

Howard

Fatty Fryup.

Subs

Deej, Mattock, Zsolt, N'Gotty, Chambers.

[Koke]

Same team that played Scunny, and if Hume is fit stick him up front with Howard. And in Hendrie's absence Wesolowski will step in. And in case that little fragile crepe bandage wearing kid is injured, then I hope to see King there.

[Koke]

Henderson

Stearman Kisnorbo McAuley Mattock

Bell Oakley Weso Laczko*

Hume Howard

*Laczko and Mattock combination is a disaster waiting to happen if last time is anything to go by, but apart from Ryan Beswick, he's the only genuine left footer we have in our squad. And I'm reluctant to play Mattock as a LM as I don't really like having 2 defenders on the same side.

[Mickyblueeyes]

Scores goals:

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Laczko - No, Beswick: yes.

Makes goals

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Laczko - Occasionally. Beswick: consistently.

Free kicks:

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Laczko - Doesn't take em. Beswick: Takes all and is very dangerous.

Defensive:

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Laczko looks lost. Beswick: Has played full-back.

How many times have they played first team football?

Lackzo a lot more then beswick!!!Fook me I've only been on this forum a short time but mate you dont have chat some crap!Beswick is an unknown he may be the next best thing since slice bread but he isnt anywhere near the first team at the moment.Also, if he was so good, why has no team from the lower leagues got him in on loan?Surely if Ollie/Allen/Megson/Taggart/Burrows and Rudkin are too daft to pick up on his "outstanding" quality some other manager could.I mean Lads like Dodds/Gradel/Logan etc have all found interested parties in the lower leagues.

[Thracian]

How many times have they played first team football?

Lackzo a lot more then beswick!!!Fook me I've only been on this forum a short time but mate you dont have chat some crap!Beswick is an unknown he may be the next best thing since slice bread but he isnt anywhere near the first team at the moment.Also, if he was so good, why has no team from the lower leagues got him in on loan?Surely if Ollie/Allen/Megson/Taggart/Burrows and Rudkin are too daft to pick up on his "outstanding" quality some other manager could.I mean Lads like Dodds/Gradel/Logan etc have all found interested parties in the lower leagues.

Laczko's the one that's unknown, Beswick's been here for years and Allen, Taggart, Beaglehole and Rudkin seemed/seem to regard him highly.

There's no reason to believe Holloway doesn't either but it's also plain that he'd rather put Academy lads in the reseves or send them out on loan which is fine if you've got better alternatives to use but I've not seen them.

Because, even when playing together in the same team, Beswick has looked much more first team material than Laczko and, apart from his debut, I am still waiting to see why the Hungarian has yet managed to merit consideration for the first team apart from on his debut against Coventry and we, as a club, seem to specialise in good debuts.

I hope it changes but, so far, I've seen nothing to suggest it's likely.

[Ric Flair]

Laczko's the one that's unknown, Beswick's been here for years and Allen, Taggart, Beaglehole and Rudkin seemed/seem to regard him highly.

There's no reason to believe Holloway doesn't either but it's also plain that he'd rather put Academy lads in the reseves or send them out on loan which is fine if you've got better alternatives to use but I've not seen them.

Because, even when playing together in the same team, Beswick has looked much more first team material than Laczko and, apart from his debut, I am still waiting to see why the Hungarian has yet managed to merit consideration for the first team apart from on his debut against Coventry and we, as a club, seem to specialise in good debuts.

I hope it changes but, so far, I've seen nothing to suggest it's likely.

I understand what you are saying Thracian, but Beswick is as much unproven as Laczko is. Laczko scored 15 goals in 46 games for Ferenvacos from left wing last season and part of the season previous. They are a team that have sometimes competed in the Champions League. I know that counts for nothing if they can't produce the goods for their next club, but it's sincerely early days. If plying your trade at a fairly high level in another country still doesn't count for anything, then it's fair to question youngsters achievements at youth and reserve football as it's completely different to first team football at our level. I've lost count of the amount of foreign players that have taken time to settle in England, some never do. Some don't get the time of the environment to settle either. Laczko has undoubted talent he showed that against Coventry where he produced a performance that rivalled any individual performance from a player at this club in the past season or so. Granted, one performance doesn't constitute a player being any good or not, but it highlights their ability.

I have no doubt that Beswick is a great talent, he left Chelsea's academy and by all accounts they weren't overly happy about him leaving. I wouldn't have any qualms about throwing him in at some point, but i'd also not have any qualms about giving Laczko another go. Holloway has said that he's been impressive in training recently, which is great news. Where else can a player improve their game when they aren't playing? You do the business on the training pitch to work your way back in. Seems to me Laczko struggled with the physicality of this league, something plenty of foreign players do, especially wingers. But i've seen glimpses of him being able to handle himself, his tracking back and tackling although sometimes erratic, has also been of a high standard.

The question is, would you rather pick a player who has proven himself to be a big talent in their own country or a youngster who is showing signs of developing in to a good player in your youth and reserve team, with a big career ahead of him? It's a difficult choice, there's an element of risk in both. I would pick either on merit, and perhaps that's what Holloway will do? He's signed Laczko because he rates him, had him on trial and liked what he saw. He's started well, then looked out of his depth equally as quickly. He's now knuckled down and appeared to be getting better in training, there's nothing wrong in the manager showing faith in a player again that he's spent time and effort signing.

I wouldn't write him off, just like I wouldn't claim Beswick isn't ready yet. You have your opinion, you aren't impressed with Laczko's contribution so far. One thing he does do is put himself in the positions to attack and shoot on goal. That's something I admire in a winger, just like Gradel does. Problem has been that his finishing so far has been dreadful, but his record in Hungary is admirable. Enough to not write him off after about 4 starts and a handful of sub appearances. Some of these games the rest of the team were utter garbage and any width and interest in getting the ball down on the deck and playing were non-existent, which is very difficult for a winger to then make an impression on the game. Certainly one that's only just finding their feet in a new team and a new country.

[Thracian]

I understand what you are saying Thracian, but Beswick is as much unproven as Laczko is. Laczko scored 15 goals in 46 games for Ferenvacos from left wing last season and part of the season previous. They are a team that have sometimes competed in the Champions League. I know that counts for nothing if they can't produce the goods for their next club, but it's sincerely early days. If plying your trade at a fairly high level in another country still doesn't count for anything, then it's fair to question youngsters achievements at youth and reserve football as it's completely different to first team football at our level. I've lost count of the amount of foreign players that have taken time to settle in England, some never do. Some don't get the time of the environment to settle either. Laczko has undoubted talent he showed that against Coventry where he produced a performance that rivalled any individual performance from a player at this club in the past season or so. Granted, one performance doesn't constitute a player being any good or not, but it highlights their ability.

I have no doubt that Beswick is a great talent, he left Chelsea's academy and by all accounts they weren't overly happy about him leaving. I wouldn't have any qualms about throwing him in at some point, but i'd also not have any qualms about giving Laczko another go. Holloway has said that he's been impressive in training recently, which is great news. Where else can a player improve their game when they aren't playing? You do the business on the training pitch to work your way back in. Seems to me Laczko struggled with the physicality of this league, something plenty of foreign players do, especially wingers. But i've seen glimpses of him being able to handle himself, his tracking back and tackling although sometimes erratic, has also been of a high standard.

The question is, would you rather pick a player who has proven himself to be a big talent in their own country or a youngster who is showing signs of developing in to a good player in your youth and reserve team, with a big career ahead of him? It's a difficult choice, there's an element of risk in both. I would pick either on merit, and perhaps that's what Holloway will do? He's signed Laczko because he rates him, had him on trial and liked what he saw. He's started well, then looked out of his depth equally as quickly. He's now knuckled down and appeared to be getting better in training, there's nothing wrong in the manager showing faith in a player again that he's spent time and effort signing.

I wouldn't write him off, just like I wouldn't claim Beswick isn't ready yet. You have your opinion, you aren't impressed with Laczko's contribution so far. One thing he does do is put himself in the positions to attack and shoot on goal. That's something I admire in a winger, just like Gradel does. Problem has been that his finishing so far has been dreadful, but his record in Hungary is admirable. Enough to not write him off after about 4 starts and a handful of sub appearances. Some of these games the rest of the team were utter garbage and any width and interest in getting the ball down on the deck and playing were non-existent, which is very difficult for a winger to then make an impression on the game. Certainly one that's only just finding their feet in a new team and a new country.

If I've given the impression I've written Laczko off then I apologise. It wasn't the intention.

Unlike some we've signed this season I think Laczko does have Championship level ability and entirely agree that he needs time to settle and adjust.

But he's not shown himself to be ready yet. The place for him to do that is surely in the reserves and it's been unfortunate for him and for others, that they've been out of action.

Like you I'm encouraged by the scoring positions he gets into. He needs to develop the determination, or confidence, required to take them.

He also needs to show more discipline in either maintaining width or more understanding with others to make sure they do and has lots to work on in terms of defensive determination and responsibility which seems to be a must in modern English football so there'll be no getting away from it.

My point about Beswick is that he is familiar with the English way of playing and seems ahead of Laczko in that respect right now.

You are right about risk but as it stands, is Laczko a lesser risk than Beswick who has partnered Mattock for years?

[Ric Flair]

If I've given the impression I've written Laczko off then I apologise. It wasn't the intention.

Unlike some we've signed this season I think Laczko does have Championship level ability and entirely agree that he needs time to settle and adjust.

But he's not shown himself to be ready yet. The place for him to do that is surely in the reserves and it's been unfortunate for him and for others, that they've been out of action.

Like you I'm encouraged by the scoring positions he gets into. He needs to develop the determination, or confidence, required to take them.

He also needs to show more discipline in either maintaining width or more understanding with others to make sure they do and has lots to work on in terms of defensive determination and responsibility which seems to be a must in modern English football so there'll be no getting away from it.

My point about Beswick is that he is familiar with the English way of playing and seems ahead of Laczko in that respect right now.

You are right about risk but as it stands, is Laczko a lesser risk than Beswick who has partnered Mattock for years?

Right now we need either player to come in on Saturday and play some football. It's this time of the season when teams start to panic and a player playing without fear can really make a difference. A youngster with no pressure on his shoulders liek Beswick might be just what we need, like wise a cocky foreign winger who wants to prove a point having been left out for quite some time equally might be just what we need.

I'll trust Holloway, which is brave of me as I think he's made some dreadful decisions since he's been here. :laugh:

I'd have both in the 16 for saturday for sure. Got a feeling Clapham will be back though and both he and Mattock will play. Or we'll go 5-3-2 and Bell, Wesolowski & Oakley will play in the centre with Stearman and Mattock as wing-backs.

[mancunianfox]

Or we'll go 5-3-2 and Bell, Wesolowski & Oakley will play in the centre with Stearman and Mattock as wing-backs.

I have a feeling thats what he'll go with as well.