Jonbluefox9 Posted 29 March 2005 Posted 29 March 2005 I'm glad CL spoke to somebody about our juniors CL will talk to anyone. If you live to far away to speak in person then write a letter to him and he'd no doubt reply. He is a commanding figure and someone I feel a bit nervous about chatting to when I've met him before. Without trying to sound like he's the new MON, he does have a likeness in the way he doesn't get involved in the coaching at all. He's out there watching but he leaves it to Kelly and Black but Houston and himself just assess what's going on. You can tell that Kelly helps the young lads because he's got lots of experience working with them at previous clubs. Our last few managers have got involved in the training a lot more but Peter Taylor for example just couldn't pick a player. Good coach but no manager. CL has kept away from that side of things but I think has signed some very good players like Hughes and McCarthy.
Chandler Posted 30 March 2005 Posted 30 March 2005 Levein's attitude to Academy talent is no different to Adams' or 99% of pro football mangers for that matter. They are very cautious about it. Supporters attitudes are exactly the reverse. With them it really isn't about talent. It's about identity. A kid from the academy hasn't played for anyone else professionally. Better still if he's local and WHITE. That's why I tend to go with the manager's on this one.
Ric Flair Posted 30 March 2005 Posted 30 March 2005 Levein's attitude to Academy talent is no different to Adams' or 99% of pro football mangers for that matter. They are very cautious about it.Supporters attitudes are exactly the reverse. With them it really isn't about talent. It's about identity. A kid from the academy hasn't played for anyone else professionally. Better still if he's local and WHITE. That's why I tend to go with the manager's on this one. 84927[/snapback] I disagree, I think Adams was extremely negative when it came to youth at this club. Not just academy players, but players he signed in general. He did admit to neglecting youth and tried to put it right with signing Canero and Morris. He then added a few younger players in Williams and Gudjonsson, but he was hardly pro-youth. You might be right in manager's being cautious and they have every right to be, you could argue they know more about these academy players than the fans do and that's probably right. But surely if your academy teams come 2nd and 4th in the league last season Under 17's and 19's respectively then there's going to be a few hot prospects in your team (Stearman, Dawson, Wesolowski and a few others) Well Adams didn't even talk about them, let alone play them. I know Levein has only played Stearman, but he's being brave by outlining his plans for the youngsters. Either that or his stupid if he's not going to carry out his plans after promising the fans, i'd go for him being brave. He's not stupid and I think the future is bright under Levein Mean Winning Machine. You watch Chandler, relax and enjoy a few beers.
Chandler Posted 31 March 2005 Posted 31 March 2005 Hard to fight with you Hoof. You are clearly a cut above the unreasoning, semi literate rabble whose scrawl disfigures this site. But you're still wrong. I don't mean that Adams was 'pro yoof' (he wasn't) I mean that by and large his suspicions about the limitations of yoof were justified. Particularly LCFC yoof. Fans will only realise this when we can no longer trade in Prem hand-me-downs and Ruritanian dynamos. Most 17 & 18 year old starlets are not equipped physically or mentally to handle high level pro football. Remember the average adult male is not fully physically developed until he's in his mid twenties. And the English league is probably the worst rough house in the sport. The worst aspect though is learning to cope with big crowds. Academy youngster's generally play in front of a handful of people. I remember Joe Cole's debut for West Ham against Man U at Old Trafford. He came on as a sub and he had a few neat touches. But it was obvious he was overawed. Terrified might be a better word. Now imagine what it would be like for young master Weso to be thrown into a relegation scrap and his inexperience cost us a goal and the game in front of 30,000? I'm not saying NEVER play a young 'un. I'm just saying this decision, probably more than any other, is one for management.
Lazza Posted 31 March 2005 Author Posted 31 March 2005 Now imagine what it would be like for young master Weso to be thrown into a relegation scrap and his inexperience cost us a goal and the game in front of 30,000? 85524[/snapback] I'd say that Stearman or Dawson would be more likely to cost us a goal than young master Weso. They breed them tough down under.
shen Posted 31 March 2005 Posted 31 March 2005 Hard to fight with you Hoof. You are clearly a cut above the unreasoning, semi literate rabble whose scrawl disfigures this site.But you're still wrong. I don't mean that Adams was 'pro yoof' (he wasn't) I mean that by and large his suspicions about the limitations of yoof were justified. Particularly LCFC yoof. Fans will only realise this when we can no longer trade in Prem hand-me-downs and Ruritanian dynamos. Most 17 & 18 year old starlets are not equipped physically or mentally to handle high level pro football. Remember the average adult male is not fully physically developed until he's in his mid twenties. And the English league is probably the worst rough house in the sport. The worst aspect though is learning to cope with big crowds. Academy youngster's generally play in front of a handful of people. I remember Joe Cole's debut for West Ham against Man U at Old Trafford. He came on as a sub and he had a few neat touches. But it was obvious he was overawed. Terrified might be a better word. Now imagine what it would be like for young master Weso to be thrown into a relegation scrap and his inexperience cost us a goal and the game in front of 30,000? I'm not saying NEVER play a young 'un. I'm just saying this decision, probably more than any other, is one for management. 85524[/snapback] Some fair points there Chandler. I think what Hoof and a few of us others fear most though, is that we never get to see the promising likes of Wesolowski or Dawson before they feck off somewhere else. What a waste it would be to see them get the chance at another club and flourish. Dawson's contract is up at the end on the season, and if he's as good as people on here seem to think he is, it's imperative we keep hold of him at least a few more years. Of course they'd likely get overawed on their debut, and who wouldn't? Having said that Stearman has done well in his 2 appearances and who's to say Dawson and Wesolowski can't emulate him? Competition is tough in midfield, but let's hope Levein, or Levein as you would call him, sticks to his word and gives the fans a chance to see what talents we have at the club. I agree with Levein though, that they should wait their turn until we are safe and the pressure is off. But personally I think it's imperative that they get involved more with the first team next season as they're reaching the make or break age...
Vo Rogue Posted 31 March 2005 Posted 31 March 2005 For Weso a test of application before a large crowd may be in June in the U20s World Cup in the opening game against hosts Holland.30,000 Dutch fans against 8 Oz fans.I dont think he'll fail to perform.Its a problem if others might notice.
Ric Flair Posted 31 March 2005 Posted 31 March 2005 Hard to fight with you Hoof. You are clearly a cut above the unreasoning, semi literate rabble whose scrawl disfigures this site.But you're still wrong. I don't mean that Adams was 'pro yoof' (he wasn't) I mean that by and large his suspicions about the limitations of yoof were justified. Particularly LCFC yoof. Fans will only realise this when we can no longer trade in Prem hand-me-downs and Ruritanian dynamos. Most 17 & 18 year old starlets are not equipped physically or mentally to handle high level pro football. Remember the average adult male is not fully physically developed until he's in his mid twenties. And the English league is probably the worst rough house in the sport. The worst aspect though is learning to cope with big crowds. Academy youngster's generally play in front of a handful of people. I remember Joe Cole's debut for West Ham against Man U at Old Trafford. He came on as a sub and he had a few neat touches. But it was obvious he was overawed. Terrified might be a better word. Now imagine what it would be like for young master Weso to be thrown into a relegation scrap and his inexperience cost us a goal and the game in front of 30,000? I'm not saying NEVER play a young 'un. I'm just saying this decision, probably more than any other, is one for management. 85524[/snapback] To be honest Chandler, I can't argue with that. Managers know best as they we're once in the same boat as the youngsters, desperately waiting for a chance to be unleashed in to first team football. The only thing I will say is that EVERY footballer starts off as a youngster and it makes sense to try and utilize them if we can and not hold them back. If your saying that youngsters are rarely ready for first team football at a high level under the age of 21/22, would you suggest that youngsters should start off at lower league clubs and ply their trade there and then move on when the time is right? I agree with that to a certain extent and that's why I think Dawson, Stearman and Weso would benefit from a loan spell, I think if your good enough your old enough and you don't know if a players good enough until you throw them in to first team football. I think there are alot of youngsters who are at premiership clubs that will never get a chance with their current club and it makes sense for clubs like Leicester to sign some of these. You only have to look at Sidwell at Reading who left Arsenal, Jerome Thomas who left Arsenal to go to Charlton. Now they won't ever turn in to world class players, but they are two examples of players who could get us in to the premiership and hold their own there. But your right in the fact that we need to be cautious in signing young and hungry players all the time as it's very stereotypical and we need to stay focused on what we want as a club. Quality players whatever category they fit in to!!!
breadandcheese Posted 31 March 2005 Posted 31 March 2005 To be honest Chandler, I can't argue with that. Managers know best as they we're once in the same boat as the youngsters, desperately waiting for a chance to be unleashed in to first team football.The only thing I will say is that EVERY footballer starts off as a youngster and it makes sense to try and utilize them if we can and not hold them back. If your saying that youngsters are rarely ready for first team football at a high level under the age of 21/22, would you suggest that youngsters should start off at lower league clubs and ply their trade there and then move on when the time is right? I agree with that to a certain extent and that's why I think Dawson, Stearman and Weso would benefit from a loan spell, I think if your good enough your old enough and you don't know if a players good enough until you throw them in to first team football. I think there are alot of youngsters who are at premiership clubs that will never get a chance with their current club and it makes sense for clubs like Leicester to sign some of these. You only have to look at Sidwell at Reading who left Arsenal, Jerome Thomas who left Arsenal to go to Charlton. Now they won't ever turn in to world class players, but they are two examples of players who could get us in to the premiership and hold their own there. But your right in the fact that we need to be cautious in signing young and hungry players all the time as it's very stereotypical and we need to stay focused on what we want as a club. Quality players whatever category they fit in to!!! I cannot agree more with this sentiment of signing youngsters from top teams. One of the major aims of teams such as Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is to win the Champions League. Therefore, youth players are only retained if the staff believe they have the quality to perform amongst the European elite. In short, a young promising player is not useful to the club if he is only able to be a decent premiership player. Hoof is spot on in that regard and he is right to highlight Arsenal as a perfect example. They released quality players such as Sidwell (in my eyes a premiership level player), whilst retaining players like Fabregas (clearly a very bright future ahead in the game). To a lesser scale, we should be widening our net to include players who can hold their own in the championship and then develop into premiership players as they mature and become more experienced (e.g. players like Webber). Of course, this is easy to say from a distance as a fan, particularly when all teams are looking to snap up the next bargain. In my eyes, I think Levein and the management team seem to have a thoughtful balanced approach. They are accutely aware of the relegation threat, which is much more important than building for the future. Once we are safe, then the building process becomes more important. One thing to be said, whether you love or loath Levein, there is no denying that he is an intelligent manager with clarity of vision, rather than a rash gun-ho manager. In that regard, I feel he is someone who will look after young players and give them a go if good enough. He will judge if Dawson, Wesolowski, Sheehan (and Chambo if Levein is still here in 3 years) are good enough, not us.
Lazza Posted 1 April 2005 Author Posted 1 April 2005 For Weso a test of application before a large crowd may be in June in the U20s World Cup in the opening game against hosts Holland.30,000 Dutch fans against 8 Oz fans.I dont think he'll fail to perform.Its a problem if others might notice. 85531[/snapback] If young Weso can perform under those circumstances then he's definitely worth being selected in our first team right from the beginning of next year. I don't think he'll have any problems. My biggest worry, as others have expressed, is that we need to get the most out of our young lads while we've still got them.
Vo Rogue Posted 2 April 2005 Posted 2 April 2005 would be frustrated if I were Dawson and playing for Academy this weekend,and nowhere near a first team position.Has he even beeen offered a new contract?More frustrating seeing some of the perfomances this year at Walkers by first team.
Lazza Posted 2 April 2005 Author Posted 2 April 2005 Well lads, What an advertisement Stearman was for our YOUTH today ! Congratulations to CL for showing the confidence in Stearman - it paid dividends. YOU WIN MOST THINGS IN LIFE BY BEING BOLD, CL ! This shows that regardless of age, if you are ready, YOU ARE READY ! I just hope that CL can bring himself to show the same faith in our two brightest prospects, Dawson and Wesolowski. Dawson just needs the club to show some faith in him while young Weso already has the confidence to play in the firsts. If CL took bold action then those two youngsters, following Stearman's lead, would be FULL OF CONFIDENCE and would repay this football club in kind. These three players ARE OUR FUTURE !!
Eastern Fox Posted 2 April 2005 Posted 2 April 2005 Well, Levein was really positive about Stearman today. Did anyone hear him after the match on Radio Leicester? He seemed geniunely impressed with him and disappointed he had to come off early (picked up a knock). Considering how awful Nalis was today, perhaps Levein will put a youth midfielder on the bench before the end of the season.
breadandcheese Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Not wishing to put a dampener on this with CL's team selection but Stearman only played due to Kenton having a case of the mumps. Mind you, most players get their chance through injuries or suspensions to others and it is how they take it that counts, so well done Stearman. I'm guessing he has virtually guaranteed himself a first-team spot for next season.
step Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 How effing stupid can people get. Sod the club, sod the fans, it dont matter about staying up, LETS JUST PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS. He aint going to play them and damage their confidence nore will he play them at the expence of avoiding relegation. When they are ready CL will play them. He is desperate for young new talant to join the squad anyone can see that. SO STOP BEING A TWAT
Vo Rogue Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 How effing stupid can people get. Sod the club, sod the fans, it dont matter about staying up, LETS JUST PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS.He aint going to play them and damage their confidence nore will he play them at the expence of avoiding relegation. When they are ready CL will play them. He is desperate for young new talant to join the squad anyone can see that. SO STOP BEING A TWAT 86815[/snapback] Maybe,but how frustrating it must be for younger promising talent watching a pile of shite Nalis walking around yesterday working on his suntan.Im sure they know they can do a much better job as Richard Stearman demonstrated yesterday.
dynamite foxes Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Also Shennan would have played but Cos Tiatto wasn't fit he drafted Stearman in Payed Off!!!
Anish Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 How effing stupid can people get. Sod the club, sod the fans, it dont matter about staying up, LETS JUST PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS.He aint going to play them and damage their confidence nore will he play them at the expence of avoiding relegation. When they are ready CL will play them. He is desperate for young new talant to join the squad anyone can see that. SO STOP BEING A TWAT 86815[/snapback] Calm down man
shen Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Also Shennan would have played but Cos Tiatto wasn't fit he drafted Stearman in Payed Off!!! 86839[/snapback] don't you mean Sheehan?
Lazza Posted 3 April 2005 Author Posted 3 April 2005 He aint going to play them and damage their confidence 86815[/snapback] So Stearman's confidence has been damaged, has it ? I don't think so ! Stearman has been empowered. Stearman gave confidence to the so-called 'stars' in this team at the weekend. The same so-called 'stars' who took this club to near the relegation zone. What makes you think THEY can get the club out of it. We've been waiting ALL SEASON for them to perform ! STILL WAITING !
Alexikokopops Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Hard to fight with you Hoof. You are clearly a cut above the unreasoning, semi literate rabble whose scrawl disfigures this site.But you're still wrong. 85524[/snapback] I know we've moved on a bit in this thread, but that made me piss myself
Ash Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 I really think we should give Levi Porter a chance on the left wing.Surely he can do a better job than Wilcox ?
step Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Your dead right, Stearman has been empowered his confidence has not taken a knocking, and why is that????????? Could it be that he was ready to be brought in to first team football? Could it be that he is being nurtured by a team of professional coaches and managers that know what they are doing? Or should they just throw the youngsters in at the deep end, irrelevant of the consequences for the youngster and the club?
Vo Rogue Posted 3 April 2005 Posted 3 April 2005 Werent some of these players once rated above Stearman??Is the club developing properly and giving them positive vibes? Apart from Richard I dont probably think so. Being a club with limited resources these are our assets<but I suppose it does them good watching performances like some first team strikers and midfielders that turn out to play her each week.
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