David Davis

[Head Honcho]

Or exposed the Labour party for the pseudo fascists they've always been.

I honestly wish David Davis had won the tory party leadership last time around. This is a brave decision from a principled politician, I applaud him.

I somehow doubt he'd have resigned as party leader today if he had won.

[LeeCovFox]

Internment took place in the early 70s.

In that case I have it wrong. That woman still had no qualms about allowing people to starve themselves to death though did she? She was responsible for the deaths of many. The same could be said of a more recent Prime Minister and would also be correct. I cannot forgive a party that elected a woman who sent people to war purely for electoral gain though.

[The People's Hero]

Never liked him before. I don't care that he's done this knowing he'll probably win his seat back, or could even get his Home Secretary job back - I admire what he's doing regardless. I also think Clegg's decision not to stand a Lib Dem MP is an admirable one as well.

I really don't believe that bill ever got through parliament. Outrageous.

In terms of principle, I like the cut of his jib.

Unfortunately for the Tories (with fortcoming bi elections) this is one issue where Gordon Brown has lucked out and chanced upon a fairly popular decision. Note, not necessarily the right decision, but democratically speaking - a popular one.

[Flynny]

In terms of principle, I like the cut of his jib.

Unfortunately for the Tories (with fortcoming bi elections) this is one issue where Gordon Brown has lucked out and chanced upon a fairly popular decision. Note, not necessarily the right decision, but democratically speaking - a popular one.

Bi elections? Can all-out gays not stand?

You're right there, but I think thats the point. Davis's hope is that if people fully understood the ramifications of the bill and the principles at hand, there'd be something more closely resembling uproar.

[LeeCovFox]

Bi elections? Can all-out gays not stand?

You're right there, but I think thats the point. Davis's hope is that if people fully understood the ramifications of the bill and the principles at hand, there'd be something more closely resembling uproar.

Do you think that people are interested enough though? I actually agree with the principle of David Davis' resignation, even if I am suspicious about the motives on behalf of his party. It seems to me that people are sick of politics, largely because they genuinely believe that it has no bearing on them. I would like this issue to gain wider recognition in the public arena, but I can't see it. Especially as the Lib Dems and now it would seem Labour are not going to field candidates. He will win back his seat with ease and the reasons for his stand will fade into obscurity because of the lack of political opposition and thus a public argument. Which of course is exactly what Labour are aiming for by not fielding a candidate.

[Daggers]

42 days is bollocks.

Davies is a ****.

Politics is shit.

Wine is the future.

[Flynny]

Do you think that people are interested enough though? I actually agree with the principle of David Davis' resignation, even if I am suspicious about the motives on behalf of his party. It seems to me that people are sick of politics, largely because they genuinely believe that it has no bearing on them. I would like this issue to gain wider recognition in the public arena, but I can't see it. Especially as the Lib Dems and now it would seem Labour are not going to field candidates. He will win back his seat with ease and the reasons for his stand will fade into obscurity because of the lack of political opposition and thus a public argument. Which of course is exactly what Labour are aiming for by not fielding a candidate.

I don't, actually. I think this will boost its profile a bit, certainly, but it won't transition into a news story that interests people not normally interested in politics. I mean, it's slightly complicated! And Big Brother and Euro 2008 are in full swing!

(I'm not snobby just resentful of, erm... humankind, mostly)

[LeeCovFox]

I don't, actually. I think this will boost its profile a bit, certainly, but it won't transition into a news story that interests people not normally interested in politics. I mean, it's slightly complicated! And Big Brother and Euro 2008 are in full swing!

(I'm not snobby just resentful of, erm... humankind, mostly)

No, no I quite agree. Well perhaps not about the football but about Big Brother certainly. I think it says something about the people in this country when they prioritise Big Brother at the cost of something which could genuinely be very important. But then I find politics interesting so I'm fairly biased.

[Webbo]

In that case I have it wrong. That woman still had no qualms about allowing people to starve themselves to death though did she? She was responsible for the deaths of many. The same could be said of a more recent Prime Minister and would also be correct. I cannot forgive a party that elected a woman who sent people to war purely for electoral gain though.

Bobby Sands was convicted of a crime and sent to prison, he chose to starve himself to death, I don't see how that's Mrs T fault. Let me assure you 90% of the population at the time were very happy about it too and glad to see the back of the murdering scum.

You say she was responsible for the deaths of many, who exactly?

You talk about sending people to war for electoral gain but the only wars she got us involved with were The Falklands, when a fascist junta invaded our sovereign territory and Kuwait when another dictatorship invaded an independent country and threatened the worlds oil supplies. I can honestly say I believe we were in the right on both occasions.

When you compare the wars involving the women you cannot forgive( and I suspect cannot remember) with the wars started by the party you support;

Sierra Leone-nothing to do with us.

Kosova-nothing to do with us

Afghanistan-understandable I believe.

Iraq-contrived for electoral gain.

Your stance seems to based on anti-tory prejudice.

[Daggers]

You say she was responsible for the deaths of many, who exactly?

Grenada

There are those who will say that she only opposed the invasion due to the potential link with the new siting of cruise missiles on British soil.

Nicaragua

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/archive/di...sp?docid=109432

But the single most disgusting, despicable legacy was her direct support of Pinochet...

Chile

The Rettig Report concluded that 2,279 persons who disappeared during the military government were killed for political reasons, and approximately 30,000 tortured according to the later Valech Report, while several thousand were exiled. The latter were chased all over the world in the frame of Operation Condor, a cooperation plan between the various intelligence agencies of South American countries, assisted by a US communication base in Panama. Pinochet believed these operations were necessary in order to "save the country from communism"

[LeeCovFox]

Bobby Sands was convicted of a crime and sent to prison, he chose to starve himself to death, I don't see how that's Mrs T fault. Let me assure you 90% of the population at the time were very happy about it too and glad to see the back of the murdering scum.

You say she was responsible for the deaths of many, who exactly?

You talk about sending people to war for electoral gain but the only wars she got us involved with were The Falklands, when a fascist junta invaded our sovereign territory and Kuwait when another dictatorship invaded an independent country and threatened the worlds oil supplies. I can honestly say I believe we were in the right on both occasions.

When you compare the wars involving the women you cannot forgive( and I suspect cannot remember) with the wars started by the party you support;

Sierra Leone-nothing to do with us.

Kosova-nothing to do with us

Afghanistan-understandable I believe.

Iraq-contrived for electoral gain.

Your stance seems to based on anti-tory prejudice.

Anti-tory prejudice, perhaps to an extent, I will hold my hands up to that.

But I do not base my views on just that. I read about politics extensively, from various perspectives too, not just those of the left. I feel that many of the changes which were brought about by Thatcher were necessary, but I do not believe the manner in which she pursued change was. She was a conviction politician, and thats something wihich is lacking these days on both sides of the Commons, but I believe that her convictions were wrong.

As for the wars of the Labour Party, I share your view on all but one. Iraq was not for electoral gain. Tony Blair, for all his faults, and he had many, was not a stupid politician. He knew that the Iraq war would be opposed. It was a war for oil, financial gain and for an extra military base in the Middle East for the Americans who have been worried about Iran for decades.

As for the Labour Party being the one which I support, certainly thats true at its grassroots. But the leadership? I can't tell any of the representatives apart any more. We are all Social Democrats now. For that we have both Thatcher and Blair to thank.

[Webbo]

Grenada

There are those who will say that she only opposed the invasion due to the potential link with the new siting of cruise missiles on British soil.

There are always those who will say anything. By the way didn't she have shocking handwriting for a prime minister?

But the single most disgusting, despicable legacy was her direct support of Pinochet...

Chile

If you're saying that those deaths only took place because of Mrs T's support and they wouldn't have happened if Mrs T opposed them then you have a point, but I don't think you really believe that.

In Realpolitik sometime you have to take the wider view. If the communist had got in would they have treated their opponents any better?Experience suggests otherwise.

As someone once said he may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch.

[The People's Hero]

42 days is bollocks.

Davies is a ****.

Politics is shit.

Wine is the future.

Is that your manifesto?

I'm 100% behnd it.