lookwhaticando Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I'm confused as to how we got to this point (in the thread - not in the evolutionary sense!) when we started with an ad in a bus. So... that old chap who refused to drive an advert... what a pranny. The number of the beast isn't 666, it's 611 or 616 but can't remember which. QI said so. 611 is the number you dial for customer service on your mobile here in Canada, so I think you're onto something there. Moronic. Which one was he? Is he the one who threw the baby out with the bathwater? You are TommyG and I claim my £10.00! On that subject, I keep seeing "El Numpty" as a username... I've been wondering, that's for sure.
Alexikokopops Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I'm agnostic. Suits me fine. If people want to believe in a God then that's fine with me as long as they don't use it as an excuse to intefere with my life in anyway, or be an absolute jizzcock. I did an Alpha Course, it wasn't for me. I don't go around telling people that the Bible is a load of claptrap, don't tell me that Evolution is a load of bollocks. Lets all just be happy.
Webbo Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I'm agnostic. Suits me fine. If people want to believe in a God then that's fine with me as long as they don't use it as an excuse to intefere with my life in anyway, or be an absolute jizzcock. I did an Alpha Course, it wasn't for me. I don't go around telling people that the Bible is a load of claptrap, don't tell me that Evolution is a load of bollocks. Lets all just be happy. That's the most sensible post on the whole thread.
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I'm agnostic. Suits me fine. If people want to believe in a God then that's fine with me as long as they don't use it as an excuse to intefere with my life in anyway, or be an absolute jizzcock. I did an Alpha Course, it wasn't for me. I don't go around telling people that the Bible is a load of claptrap, don't tell me that Evolution is a load of bollocks. Lets all just be happy. that never happens though does it ? interfering in other people's lives is the aim of religion , by making laws etc from their god ( it's the whole thrust of Dawkin's argument against it )
Webbo Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 that never happens though does it ? interfering in other people's lives is the aim of religion , by making laws etc from their god ( it's the whole thrust of Dawkin's argument against it ) Which was the last law drafted by the religious and forced on the rest of us?
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Which god are we talking about here? The Muslim Jewish Buddist or Christian one? They are all the same. All the books came from One source, some of em have just been re-written by kings or priests.
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Also, since we're here, I've found a video thats giving me doubts all over again.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs Haha i like it!!
davieG Posted 19 January 2009 Author Posted 19 January 2009 They are all the same. All the books came from One source, some of em have just been re-written by kings or priests. So how come so many people take the contents of their own version as being 100% true and who wrote the first one and where is it?
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I'm agnostic. Suits me fine. If people want to believe in a God then that's fine with me as long as they don't use it as an excuse to intefere with my life in anyway, or be an absolute jizzcock. I did an Alpha Course, it wasn't for me. I don't go around telling people that the Bible is a load of claptrap, don't tell me that Evolution is a load of bollocks. Lets all just be happy. Good point. I'm not trying to tell people what they should believe. I'm just joining in these debates cos I'm interested in all that stuff. I only joined here to talkabout Leicester but I found people chatting about other stuff too. I don't mean to be a nobhead, I just want to say what I think about these things.
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I don't go around telling people that the Bible is a load of claptrap, don't tell me that Evolution is a load of bollocks. Lets all just be happy. I try not to say evolution is a load of crap, just that it is a theory and is just a belief system the same as someone believing in a creating force. None of us will ever know (maybe when we leave this world) how we got here or how the planets got here.
Webbo Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Good point. I'm not trying to tell people what they should believe. I'm just joining in these debates cos I'm interested in all that stuff. I only joined here to talkabout Leicester but I found people chatting about other stuff too. I don't mean to be a nobhead, I just want to say what I think about these things. Stick with it, I don't think I've agreed with you about anything, that doesn't mean your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's. As long as you're not deliberately offensive who cares if people don't agree with you.
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 that never happens though does it ? interfering in other people's lives is the aim of religion , by making laws etc from their god ( it's the whole thrust of Dawkin's argument against it ) I don't know anyone who tries to interfere in our lives apart from governments. If you see someone in town shouting down their megaphone about Jesus that's their right. They are hardly interfering with your life. There are no laws that affect us made by any religious group.
davieG Posted 19 January 2009 Author Posted 19 January 2009 I don't know anyone who tries to interfere in our lives apart from governments. If you see someone in town shouting down their megaphone about Jesus that's their right. They are hardly interfering with your life. There are no laws that affect us made by any religious group. Many existing laws have a strong religious slant from when the church had more influence in the parliament process, Sunday trading laws fro example although recently relaxed where very much influenced by the church. I'm sure there's many things on the statute book that are illegal to do on a Sunday. The Queen is still the 'defender of the faith' and the Royal Family and hence the government is tied to the Church of England.
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I don't know anyone who tries to interfere in our lives apart from governments. If you see someone in town shouting down their megaphone about Jesus that's their right. They are hardly interfering with your life. There are no laws that affect us made by any religious group. Maybe yes , as a secular society we are not affected by religious laws in this country , but globally we still are . The fighting in the middle east is inspired by religious doctrines and therefore any overspill from that could still affect us . I realise this may sound tenuous but that is because we as a society stopped allowing religious beliefs holding sway and the events in that area should warn us of that
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 So how come so many people take the contents of their own version as being 100% true and who wrote the first one and where is it? Who knows why some people take theirs as being 100% true. The Muslims say that Christians and Jews (and others) are the same as them. In their book (the Koran) it says about 300 times that they should respect Jews and Christians. Muslims believe in all prophets from Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Noah and Solomon etc. There are alot of power mad people who try to use religion to get their own followers but that doesn't make the actual religion bad. Who knows where the first book is. (Probably in the vatican or somewhere, because don't forget that alot of armys have gone into Holy places over the past thousand or so years and plundered all the treasures. That is not conspiracy but fact. Crusades etc.) The only book that is still in it's original form is the Koran. The Bible has been changed over 300 times but the true words are still around somewhere. I have read old texts where Jesus says 'I am just a man like you so do not worship me, worship Him who created us.' But the books have been changed to him saying 'I am God'. People also say that Jesus is ancient but he was around very recently. If you take 20 people who have lived to 100 back in time, that is when we are talking about. Not long ago
stez Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 that never happens though does it ? interfering in other people's lives is the aim of religion , by making laws etc from their god ( it's the whole thrust of Dawkin's argument against it ) much like the modern religion of 'greenness'
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Many existing laws have a strong religious slant from when the church had more influence in the parliament process, Sunday trading laws fro example although recently relaxed where very much influenced by the church. I'm sure there's many things on the statute book that are illegal to do on a Sunday.The Queen is still the 'defender of the faith' and the Royal Family and hence the government is tied to the Church of England. Yes, I never thought about that, but I'm not sure if these people who made these laws are really religious? They might be, but alot of the wars they start might suggest otherwise I don't know.
BoneDog Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Maybe yes , as a secular society we are not affected by religious laws in this country , but globally we still are .The fighting in the middle east is inspired by religious doctrines and therefore any overspill from that could still affect us . I realise this may sound tenuous but that is because we as a society stopped allowing religious beliefs holding sway and the events in that area should warn us of that Yes there are alot of regimes around that claim to be religious but I'm not sure that the fighting is caused by religion. I can't think of one war in the 20th century that was caused by religion. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq in '91 etc.
Alexikokopops Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Good point. I'm not trying to tell people what they should believe. I'm just joining in these debates cos I'm interested in all that stuff. I only joined here to talkabout Leicester but I found people chatting about other stuff too. I don't mean to be a nobhead, I just want to say what I think about these things. It wasn't aimed at you in particular I get just as annoyed when people go the other way and insist on telling people their faith is a load of crap
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Yes there are alot of regimes around that claim to be religious but I'm not sure that the fighting is caused by religion. I can't think of one war in the 20th century that was caused by religion. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq in '91 etc. I've no qualifications in warfare history, but Dawkins argued that Hitler's pathological hatred of the Jews ( and presumably many other Germans at the time ) stemmed from his anti Semite Christian schooling . The long held tradition being that Jews were perceived as Christ murderers. OK, I'm not saying this caused WW2 but maybe a major contributing factor ( if true ) and possibly a uniting rallying call to gullible Nazis
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 It wasn't aimed at you in particular I get just as annoyed when people go the other way and insist on telling people their faith is a load of crap isn't it a long held tradition that people with various faiths do far worse to the heretics that don't ?
Alexikokopops Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 isn't it a long held tradition that people with various faiths do far worse to the heretics that don't ? I just don't see the point in trying to pick apart everyone's religious beliefs because there might be some mentalists who believe in it too. There are people who take nationalism too far and commit race hate crimes in the name of a "white Britain" but I'm not going to go around having a barny at everyone who waves a flag when the World Cup's on. I don't care if that's a simple analogy, I'm tired and hate religious debates! Edit: I may even have quoted the wrong post. There was another one, maybe about Hitler and how he's a mentalist.
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 much like the modern religion of 'greenness' yes this is true to an extent , but the religion of greeness is dependant on known "facts" and as such only holds any sway if those "facts" remain provable . If they are subsequently disproven then their authority is meaningless and dropped Traditional religions remain regardless of any contrary logical thought . Again I am trying to paraphrase Dawkins , and would advise anyone to seriously read the book for better informed argument than my sound-bite sized answers
Zingari Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 I just don't see the point in trying to pick apart everyone's religious beliefs because there might be some mentalists who believe in it too. There are people who take nationalism too far and commit race hate crimes in the name of a "white Britain" but I'm not going to go around having a barny at everyone who waves a flag when the World Cup's on.I don't care if that's a simple analogy, I'm tired and hate religious debates! Basically you and I agree on what religion "should" mean to the individual , we only differ on what it actually means when any religion take too great an influence on society
stez Posted 19 January 2009 Posted 19 January 2009 Basically you and I agree on what religion "should" mean to the individual , we only differ on what it actually means when any religion take too great an influence on society did you see the micheal portillo programme on ch4 last night on religion in politics? it was very interesting, and is basically the fault of 1 roman! it was interesting how they (the religions (mainly christian)) had to revise their stance on war and meekness. i get you re the greenness, but as i'm a sceptic, i still end up having to tow the green-line, the same as i do with god based religions in politics. it's shit if you're me!
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