Koke Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Council tax revaluation could penalise homes with a view Thousands of people with views of the sea, mountains or rivers could pay more tax after the next election under plans to overhaul council tax, documents released under the Freedom of Information act have disclosed. The country's 22 million homes are being valued for council tax purposes on a range of factors including views, proximity to parks or the peacefulness of the street on which they are located. At least 100,000 homes have already been identified for higher taxes on the basis of their views. The information is being used to "code" each property which is expected to be used to set council tax after the next election. There are growing fears that Labour will increase council tax for millions of middle-class homeowners if the party is re-elected. Every property in England is currently placed into one of eight council tax bands, depending on its value. These valuations are based on property prices of the early 1990s, long before the property market boom. Council tax bills for each band are then set by individual local authorities. A revaluation was due to be conducted in 2007, but was postponed until after the next election. Caroline Spelman, the shadow Local Government secretary, said: "Gordon Brown's council tax inspectors have been caught red-handed preparing the way for massive tax rises on middle England after the election, to fill the black home in Britain's ruined public finances. "Only Labour would think of taxing people for looking out of their own windows." The Government has consistently denied conducting a national council tax revaluation. The Valuation Agency, which rates properties for council tax, said it was important to maintain an accurate database. Link -------------------------------------------- I do wonder if this genuis plan works the other way around as well. If you live in a shit area with a horrendous view, you then get cash back, like.
haraven Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 what a taxing system, but yeah - gotta work both ways
davieG Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Council tax revaluation could penalise homes with a viewThousands of people with views of the sea, mountains or rivers could pay more tax after the next election under plans to overhaul council tax, documents released under the Freedom of Information act have disclosed. The country's 22 million homes are being valued for council tax purposes on a range of factors including views, proximity to parks or the peacefulness of the street on which they are located. At least 100,000 homes have already been identified for higher taxes on the basis of their views. The information is being used to "code" each property which is expected to be used to set council tax after the next election. There are growing fears that Labour will increase council tax for millions of middle-class homeowners if the party is re-elected. Every property in England is currently placed into one of eight council tax bands, depending on its value. These valuations are based on property prices of the early 1990s, long before the property market boom. Council tax bills for each band are then set by individual local authorities. A revaluation was due to be conducted in 2007, but was postponed until after the next election. Caroline Spelman, the shadow Local Government secretary, said: "Gordon Brown's council tax inspectors have been caught red-handed preparing the way for massive tax rises on middle England after the election, to fill the black home in Britain's ruined public finances. "Only Labour would think of taxing people for looking out of their own windows." The Government has consistently denied conducting a national council tax revaluation. The Valuation Agency, which rates properties for council tax, said it was important to maintain an accurate database. Link -------------------------------------------- I do wonder if this genuis plan works the other way around as well. If you live in a shit area with a horrendous view, you then get cash back, like. Bring back the Poll Tax, you use a service you should pay for it. Why should it be any other way?
Zingari Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Bring back the Poll Tax, you use a service you should pay for it. Why should it be any other way? they tried it in the 14th century and it caused widespread unrest . oh, and i believe the last tory gov. tried it with similar results " mock the week " had a great time with this idea
davieG Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 they tried it in the 14th century and it caused widespread unrest . oh, and i believe the last tory gov. tried it with similar results " mock the week " had a great time with this idea Well I'm not a Thatcherite by any means but it was basically a fairer system. so many people who receive Council services do not pay Council Tax and yet still get a vote. I don't use the services anymore in a band D than someone in C etc and what the hell has the view got to do with anything - should I get rebate because my next door neighbour is an irritating arse (well it's next door but one but the argument is the same).
Zingari Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Well I'm not a Thatcherite by any means but it was basically a fairer system. so many people who receive Council services do not pay Council Tax and yet still get a vote.I don't use the services anymore in a band D than someone in C etc and what the hell has the view got to do with anything - should I get rebate because my next door neighbour is an irritating arse (well it's next door but one but the argument is the same). I too actually think it is a much fairer system if you look at it on a short term basis . But throughout a person's life it probably evens itself out and those with young children ( who probably get the most from the system ) will pay for it later . and have probably "overpaid" in the past as single people It's just swings and roundabouts really , but yes i see your your point .
acooling08 Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Genius and Labour are never in the same sentence.
Ultra Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 The current system used to evaluate council taxes is nearly 20 years old and badly needs updating - whoever wins the general election.
davieG Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 The current system used to evaluate council taxes is nearly 20 years old and badly needs updating - whoever wins the general election. Scraping would be more appropriate as this system is unfair. Either make sure everyone who uses the systems pays a relevant amount or base it entirely on ability to pay as inalocal income tax. The assupmption that just because your house is valuable means you can afford more is just wrong. Because I chose to spend my income on my home rather than exotic holdays abroad, expensive evenings out whining and dining etc doesn't mean I should pay more Council Tax. Didn't you say you don't pay Council Tax?
Zingari Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 Scraping would be more appropriate as this system is unfair. Either make sure everyone who uses the systems pays a relevant amount or base it entirely on ability to pay as inalocal income tax. The assupmption that just because your house is valuable means you can afford more is just wrong. Because I chose to spend my income on my home rather than exotic holdays abroad, expensive evenings out whining and dining etc doesn't mean I should pay more Council Tax. Didn't you say you don't pay Council Tax? stop whining then
breadandcheese Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 If you brick up your windows and the nice views, will you be able to get a rebate? I always liked looking at those properties with bricked up windows. It's about time they made a comeback.
Zingari Posted 2 August 2009 Posted 2 August 2009 If you brick up your windows and the nice views, will you be able to get a rebate? I always liked looking at those properties with bricked up windows. It's about time they made a comeback. yes , good idea ; reintroduce the window tax
Guest Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 The current system used to evaluate council taxes is nearly 20 years old and badly needs updating - whoever wins the general election. When you say updating, do you mean the system itself or the actual bands? If it's the latter, property prices are relative and there wouldn't be too many changes between bands.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 If you brick up your windows and the nice views, will you be able to get a rebate? I always liked looking at those properties with bricked up windows. It's about time they made a comeback. They built a small block of flats next to our office, and because it's in a conservation area they had to put in pretend bricked up windows. When they told me what they were doing it was one of those moments that I thought the world has gone mad
davieG Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 When you say updating, do you mean the system itself or the actual bands? If it's the latter, property prices are relative and there wouldn't be too many changes between bands. Not only relative but fluctuating, if they were valued last year they're going to be wrong this year, unless heaven forbid you've improved it since. I mean we wouldn't want that or them looking better than poorly maintained Council Houses.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 Quick, everyone put stone cladding on your house and fly a St George's flag from a nice big pole. That'll pretty much guarantee you'll be in the lowest band
Zingari Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 Quick, everyone put stone cladding on your house and fly a St George's flag from a nice big pole. That'll pretty much guarantee you'll be in the lowest band i've got my car up on bricks and a mattress in the front garden , will that do ?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 i've got my car up on bricks and a mattress in the front garden , will that do ? Excellent work. Fight the power, comrades
Tommy G Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 this kind of taxation probably won't become strange in a few years time. It will get more and more ridiculous as we owe so much money and i's more politically unpopular to tax direct salaries 9although they have done with with the £150k + tax band)
breadandcheese Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 They built a small block of flats next to our office, and because it's in a conservation area they had to put in pretend bricked up windows. When they told me what they were doing it was one of those moments that I thought the world has gone mad That's brilliant. I'd love to meet the person who ordered the architects to put bricked up windows into the building. That is power.
Guest Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 i've got my car up on bricks and a mattress in the front garden , will that do ? They'll be paying you soon by the sounds of things
Alan Johnson Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 The current system used to evaluate council taxes is nearly 20 years old and badly needs updating - whoever wins the general election. I believe this was a quote form one who calls himself Ultra. Ultra bastard more like. Take your pathetic cheap peasant hands out your pockets and cough up like a true man. You have no manhood if you think that the tax system is 20 years old. The tax system takes into account degenerates like you and makes sure your paying over the end whilst rich bastards like myself light our cubans with used 20 pound notes post wash after wiping my arse with them. A.Johnson
Dr The Singh Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 I believe this was a quote form one who calls himself Ultra.Ultra bastard more like. Take your pathetic cheap peasant hands out your pockets and cough up like a true man. You have no manhood if you think that the tax system is 20 years old. The tax system takes into account degenerates like you and makes sure your paying over the end whilst rich bastards like myself light our cubans with used 20 pound notes post wash after wiping my arse with them. A.Johnson You know Ultra well!!! A.Johnson, your my favourite poster!!
davieG Posted 3 August 2009 Posted 3 August 2009 The current system used to evaluate council taxes is nearly 20 years old and badly needs updating - whoever wins the general election. Unless I've miss understood it seems you don't pay council tax - http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.ph...t&p=1382283 If this is true how can you justify being a Councillor not only spending Council money but suggesting changes to it that if carried out by the present Labour Government will lead to most of us paying more if you don't pay into it? Apologies if I've misunderstood your previous statement.
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