Home Grown & Squad sizes

[davieG]

Can't find the original thread on this.

Source http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5560131,00.html

The Premier League have introduced a home-grown player rule which will come into effect from next season, alongside a limit on squad sizes.

From the 2010/11 campaign, the 20 Premier League clubs have voted to introduce measures which will see all teams required to have eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.

Chief executive Richard Scudamore confirmed the changes, with clubs only able to make alterations to their squads during the two transfer windows.

"As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown," Scudamore said.

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

"Clubs will have to declare their 25 at the end of August when the window shuts and then again at the end of January."

Players who are aged under 21 are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Is 25 enough players?

What are Aresnal going to do?

[Darkzzz_]

Good thing for sure. We will benefit at international level, you only have to take Italy for example, the amount of Italians actually playing in the teams over there is top class, except Inter of course who are the Arsenal of Serie A.

[CosbehFox]

Yesterday at work on lunch, we had a bit of thinktank about how you would improve Football without the constrains and factors upon the ideas.

Obvious inclusions were a schedule which would be at all costs exclusive to weekends and television games restricted to one a weekend and on free-to-air television.

I suggest something similar to the above. That teams would select a 25 man squad which would be controlled by a salary cap. The salary cap would be the average of the 20 teams from the previous season. However, English players would be exempt from the salary cap but apply to the 25 man squads. Transfers of 18 yrs or under would not be allowed unless they have played at least 15 first-team league games. Transfer windows would become restricted to transactions between one country and another whilst clubs would be allowed four signings outside of each window but only from clubs in England. The clubs would also choose a shadow five youngsters who would be back-up for the 25 but not allowed on loan.

[davieG]

Good thing for sure. We will benefit at international level, you only have to take Italy for example, the amount of Italians actually playing in the teams over there is top class, except Inter of course who are the Arsenal of Serie A.

Home grown doesn't mean English though does it?

They could still br Italian of French etc as long as they've come through an English Academy or have I misunderstood?

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Home grown doesn't mean English though does it?

They could still br Italian of French etc as long as they've come through an English Academy or have I misunderstood?

Your on the money, but it will benifit more as i assume there would be a greater number of English accademy players than there is international.

[Darkzzz_]

Home grown doesn't mean English though does it?

They could still br Italian of French etc as long as they've come through an English Academy or have I misunderstood?

Actually I think I may have misunderstood this.

I was actually implying what I would like to see... ha ha

[Lovejoy]

Unless teams really fancy their academy prospects, prices for English players are surely going to rocket even further ?

[dandannieldanok]

Home grown doesn't mean English though does it?

They could still br Italian of French etc as long as they've come through an English Academy or have I misunderstood?

You are right therefore these new rules will barely change anything, nothing noticeable anyway.

[Alexikokopops]

Home grown doesn't mean English though does it?

They could still br Italian of French etc as long as they've come through an English Academy or have I misunderstood?

You are right therefore these new rules will barely change anything, nothing noticeable anyway.

Fabregas counts as home grown, haha. Still, it's a start.

[dandannieldanok]

You are right therefore these new rules will barely change anything, nothing noticeable anyway.

Fabregas counts as home grown, haha. Still, it's a start.

You're right, it's a start. However, the example you use says it all really

[Simi]

This might even work out well for Arsenal. Some of these youngsters that are currently breaking through for them will have been with them for a number of years anyway. Perhaps, for once, Wenger won't moan about something. Doubt it though.

[davieG]

Also when you look at the 8 from 25 with respect to the squad you can have 11 players in the team, 7 playerson the bench which leaves 7 not selected.

So you could end up with just the one home grown player on your bench.

I'd imagine most teams can manage that.

With a squad of 25 there's a slight risk that it could have the opposite effect and restrict even further the opportunities for English home grown players.

Other changes on the way - maybe?

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore signaled a huge change of stance when he unveiled the new policy which will restrict the size and make-up of club squads from next season.

Excuse me, but surely we're not talking about the same Richard Scudamore who was so scathing about the idea just 18 months ago?

Oh, we are. And having performed one U-turn already, the Premier League's dismissal of FIFA boss Sepp Blatter's plans for the "six plus five" rule meaning that every club in the top flight will have to field six English-qualified players in their starting side may begin to slide soon.

Bizarrely, it is the people of the Republic of Ireland - and the German and Czech governments - that hold the key.

If all three ratify the Lisbon Treaty - the latest Irish polls ahead of the October 2 referendum show it is likely to be voted through - it will have an immediate impact on football.

The terms of the Treaty include, for the first time, giving sport "specificity" and "autonomy" - in effect exemption from EU Law over freedom of movement for workers.

That means that, despite all the nay-saying from the Premier League, a "Yes" vote in Dublin next month would open the way for six plus five to start to be introduced as early as next year.

I've never hidden my support of the idea that is Blatter's main hobby horse because I want more English players playing in English football.

That doesn't make me a xenophobe or a racist, just somebody who is concerned about the foreign influx - understandable from the clubs who use their money as they are allowed to under the current regulations - preventing younger home-grown talent getting the chance to play and gain the experience they need.

And, almost as a side issue, England and the FA need Blatter onside if we are to win the battle to host the 2018 World Cup.

With Michel Platini determined to demand one European candidate for the contest - the odds are that this would be Spain, rather than England - it means the FA would be fighting with both arms tied behind its back, only able to guarantee one of the eight UEFA votes on the 24-man FIFA executive committee, from former FA chairman Geoff Thompson.

If that scenario develops, then the FA will need to have Blatter rail-roading through the voters from Africa, Asia and the rest of the world.

And to have any chance of getting the FIFA chief, the FA must come out and give a full declaration of support for six plus five, no matter what Scudamore and his clubs think about it.

Source-http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/laptop-martin-lipton/Premier-League-U-turn-on-home-grown-players-quota-is-good-news-for-England-article156737.html

[sdb]

But there wil be rules stopping players move clubs before 16/17 soon so squads will eventually consist of a higher ratio of English players. Aresnal will be fine as most of their squad is so young. Chelsea and Liverpool may have to change their policies a little.

[Budweiser]

Fantastic news.

Chelsea are in a bit of trouble me thinks.

[Fosse Boy]

Nice idea in principle, in reality it'll mean the big clubs will just concentrate more of their scouting resources on poaching foreign players at an even younger age than they do now.

[purpleronnie]

Nice idea in principle, in reality it'll mean the big clubs will just concentrate more of their scouting resources on poaching foreign players at an even younger age than they do now.

Not if UEFA stop under 18's from moving.

[dogadug]

We've got a good youth system at the moment, so this could be good for us if we ever get to the prem again.

[Edmund]

They had an interview with a football agent on sky yesterday and he said this will make the cost of British players even more disproportionate and silly wages will be handed out.

In hindsight West Brom will probably do very well with the purchase of Mattock as they will be able to offload him for twice the amount they paid because of this new rule (that is if he plays well ) as he is an international player.