Art?! Sick More Like!

[lou]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yo...ire/8368159.stm

Im stunned that the Arts Council saw fit (no pun intended!) to pump over £2000 into this monstrosity.

Having had 2 friends die from seizures and having 2 close relatives with this illness Im disgusted... cant see what the feck shes hoping to acheive. Stupid cow!

[Bellend Sebastian]

But "Rita has made a decision that she wants to explore her own relationship with epilepsy."

I have no idea what that means. I suspect she may be a bit of a twat

[davieG]

So medical staff are going to be on standby for the event, well lets hope they're not needed anywhere else.

The world will soon disappear up it's own pretentious bum hole!

[Babylon]

But "Rita has made a decision that she wants to explore her own relationship with epilepsy."

I have no idea what that means. I suspect she may be a bit of a twat

Exactly the bit I was going to pick out. fook off and explore it at your own cost.

[Jon the Hat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yo...ire/8368159.stm

Im stunned that the Arts Council saw fit (no pun intended!) to pump over £2000 into this monstrosity.

Having had 2 friends die from seizures and having 2 close relatives with this illness Im disgusted... cant see what the feck shes hoping to acheive. Stupid cow!

Perhaps she wants people to realise what Epilepsy means, and what a fit is like. Many people have no idea.

The debate on what is art was lost to morons a long time ago..

[Nick]

Oh God that's genius but possibly not for all the right reasons.

[stez]

Perhaps she wants people to realise what Epilepsy means, and what a fit is like. Many people have no idea.

The debate on what is art was lost to morons a long time ago..

i bow to your superior brain, but please enlighten us as to what art should be, please drop some crumbs of wisdom on to the scuttering masses below your mighty table of knowledge

[Guest Bilo]

Waste of time, medical resources and article on the BBC website.

I'm angry she's made me waste my time by typing this.

Cock off Rita.

[Shrenchel]

Blah blah blah. Don't go and watch it then. She's not gunna come round your house and do it or appear on an ad break whilst youre watching corrie. She's not hurting anyone but herself and she's not forcing it on anybody.

The Arts Council pour a lot more money into a lot of things far more gash than this.

I went to watch a contemporary dance performance about a month ago (don't ask) and it was the most uninspiring, pretentious, contrived thing I've ever seen. I could've banged a gram of wobble and produced exactly the same results myself.

Then I read in the leaflet that the arts council had given them like a hundred grand or summin. Fvckin ridiculous. A hundred grand and the only impressive thing about it was the size of one of the lad's cocks (no homo.)

[Edmund]

I went to watch a contemporary dance performance about a month ago (don't ask) and it was the most uninspiring, pretentious, contrived thing I've ever seen. I could've banged a gram of wobble and produced exactly the same results myself.

Then I read in the leaflet that the arts council had given them like a hundred grand or summin. Fvckin ridiculous. A hundred grand and the only impressive thing about it was the size of one of the lad's cocks (no homo.)

fooking

[Guest]

Perhaps she wants people to realise what Epilepsy means, and what a fit is like. Many people have no idea.

So why not write about it? Why not tell people about her experiences of the condition? If she's that talented, why not act out what happens during a fit, I mean, how do programmes like Casualty get away with it?

Blah blah blah. Don't go and watch it then. She's not gunna come round your house and do it or appear on an ad break whilst youre watching corrie. She's not hurting anyone but herself and she's not forcing it on anybody.

The Arts Council pour a lot more money into a lot of things far more gash than this.

I went to watch a contemporary dance performance about a month ago (don't ask) and it was the most uninspiring, pretentious, contrived thing I've ever seen. I could've banged a gram of wobble and produced exactly the same results myself.

Then I read in the leaflet that the arts council had given them like a hundred grand or summin. Fvckin ridiculous. A hundred grand and the only impressive thing about it was the size of one of the lad's cocks (no homo.)

And where does the Arts Council get their money from? Are they paying for the medical team to be put on stand-by?

[Zingari]

perhaps they should bring back the circus freak shows for us all to gawp at again

( i'm not implying epilepsy is freakish )

[Shrenchel]

So why not write about it? Why not tell people about her experiences of the condition? If she's that talented, why not act out what happens during a fit, I mean, how do programmes like Casualty get away with it?

And where does the Arts Council get their money from? Are they paying for the medical team to be put on stand-by?

Mainly lottery funding nowadays I think?. Don't really understand the point though. I didn't say it was money well spent, I was merely pointing out that far far more money than this gets pissed away every single day on completely worthless shite but you don't see threads on here about every single of those events. So it's clearly some moral objection that people have to this, rather than simply the profligate spending they like to pretend their concerned about.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I predict that once she's explored her relationship with epilepsy she'll conclude that she'd rather not have it.

It's a great use of everyone's time and money

[Guest]

Don't really understand the point though.

The point is that you and I are paying for this.

Why don't I object to other stuff? Because I don't know it's happening. I know about this, so I feel that I can voice my objections. If I don't like something, I say so. Why should I "shut up and put up"? Apathy gets you nowhere.

[Houdini Logic]

Let's take money out of the equation for now.

If this was self funded would people's opinions be exactly the same?

[Guest Bilo]

Let's take money out of the equation for now.

If this was self funded would people's opinions be exactly the same?

Mine would.

Putting her health at risk for the sake of 'art' is utterly pointless.

What if it's a fatal seizure?

What kind of sick person would pay to watch an epileptic seizure?

The fact that we are paying for this is annoying enough but I seriously question her judgement and those of the people who want to see her.

[Shrenchel]

The point is that you and I are paying for this.

Why don't I object to other stuff? Because I don't know it's happening. I know about this, so I feel that I can voice my objections. If I don't like something, I say so. Why should I "shut up and put up"? Apathy gets you nowhere.

You don't know they're happening? You could probably find 10 examples in your daily newspaper of public money being irresponsibly pissed up the wall. This probably isn't even in the top 50 most worthless wastes of taxpayers/lottery cash this week but it's the one we have a thread about because people are clearly uncomfortable with the idea, and they still would be even if it was costing nowt.

I don't really consider it apathy. I just find it very hard to get enraged about 2 thousand pounds being spent on this when we're, for example, gunna waste 4.5 billion this year killing British soldiers and Afghan citizens in a pointless, unwinnable war.

At least this miiiight raise a few peoples' awareness about epilepsy I guess.

Also, I don't play the lottery so you and I aren't paying for it.

[Houdini Logic]

Mine would.

Putting her health at risk for the sake of 'art' is utterly pointless.

What if it's a fatal seizure?

What kind of sick person would pay to watch an epileptic seizure?

The fact that we are paying for this is annoying enough but I seriously question her judgement and those of the people who want to see her.

And that's fair enough.

I think there are two points here - The manner of art and the choice of the arts council to fund this.

It just seems like this type of art (of which there is a lot - I'm no critic and even I know of people painting in blood, self harming, etc...) and it doesn't seem to have been a topic of discussion until it is funded by the Arts Council.

[Shrenchel]

Mine would.

Putting her health at risk for the sake of 'art' is utterly pointless.

What if it's a fatal seizure?

What kind of sick person would pay to watch an epileptic seizure?

The fact that we are paying for this is annoying enough but I seriously question her judgement and those of the people who want to see her.

I'm sure she knows her own condition though. Deaths from seizures are extremely extremely rare and when on the very odd occasion they do happen it's amongst people who are prone to particularly severe seizures, which I'm sure she's not or she wouldn't choose to do this. SUDEP is basically the only thing that has a risk of being 'fatal' in epilepsy and it's got nothing to do with seizures I don't think.

[Guest]

Let's take money out of the equation for now.

If this was self funded would people's opinions be exactly the same?

Yes. As I have already said, there are other ways of getting the message across rather than turning it into a freak show. I mean, who's really going to turn up? Are people really going to think "you know, I know very little about epilepsy, but going to see some woman induce a fit is really going to help me to understand the condition better"?

The more I think about this, the more I see this "artist" as a self-centred, attention seeking bint.

You don't know they're happening? You could probably find 10 examples in you're daily newspaper of public money being irresponsibly pissed up the wall. This probably isn't even in the top 50 most worthless wastes of taxpayers/lottery cash this week but it's the one we have a thread about because people are clearly uncomfortable with the idea, and they still would be even if it was costing nowt.

I don't really consider it apathy. I just find it very hard to get enraged about 2 thousand pounds being spent on this when we're, for example, gunna waste 4.5 billion this year killing British soldiers and Afghan citizens in a pointless, unwinnable war.

At least this miiiight raise a few peoples' awareness about epilepsy I guess.

Also, I don't play the lottery so you and I aren't paying for it.

I don't read daily newspapers.

I do play the lottery, so I am paying for it.

I have spoken out against the war against terrorism.

How is this going to raise awareness about epilepsy that a website like this can't do?

[Shrenchel]

Yes. As I have already said, there are other ways of getting the message across rather than turning it into a freak show. I mean, who's really going to turn up? Are people really going to think "you know, I know very little about epilepsy, but going to see some woman induce a fit is really going to help me to understand the condition better"?

The more I think about this, the more I see this "artist" as a self-centred, attention seeking bint.

I don't read daily newspapers.

I do play the lottery, so I am paying for it.

I have spoken out against the war against terrorism.

How is this going to raise awareness about epilepsy that a website like this can't do?

I put miiiiight and I guess because I'm not at all convinced it will, it was more of an afterthought. Although you could argue that the website has probably gone completely unoticed to the 99% of the population who almost never think about epilepsy, whereas this dance thing is splashed all over the press so people are reading about it. Also, there's a short piece about what epilepsy action think about it in the guardian today, so surely that's raising awareness of the organisation and will probably get more people than would have to read the very website you posted.

[Jimothy]

The Arts Council have said it will raise awareness of the issue. Well unless she dies or has severe mental and/or physical disabilities after this, what is she making people aware of? That it's safe to induce a fit?

Stupid, stupid idea. What next, sticking a hospital bed on stage, and watching a cancer or alzhiemers (spelling?) suffer die all in the name of art and to raise awareness? It's bull. She clearly has no artistic talent, her only skill is to lay off tablets and turn a strobe light on.

[Guest]

I put miiiiight and I guess because I'm not at all convinced it will, it was more of an afterthought. Although you could argue that the website has probably gone completely unoticed to the 99% of the population who almost never think about epilepsy, whereas this dance thing is splashed all over the press so people are reading about it. Also, there's a short piece about what epilepsy action think about it in the guardian today, so surely that's raising awareness of the organisation and will probably get more people than would have to read the very website you posted.

It's raised awareness but not in a positive way. You also overestimate the numbers that read newspapers, and even if people did buy these publications reporting it, you assume people will read it. Yeah, there are people who read their paper from cover to cover, but there are plenty who only read the sport, or only read the business sections.

And how exactly is she making people more aware about epilepsy? Most adults are aware that the condition exists. We don't need some self-absorbed arty fitting in front of us to know what a fit involves. Some of us have had to help a person, and even those who haven't seen a person fitting would be able to guess what was going on when it happens.

Do we need to see a fit to understand how a person is affected? I say no. I have asthma, but I have enough conviction in my ability to communicate my experiences of the condition, how it affects me, and what it is like to have an asthma attack without having to actually show you what an asthma attack is.

Rather than raising awareness about a potentially fatal condition, all this smacks of is a publicity stunt by a person who looks to be more interested in raising awareness about their own profile.

[Babylon]

I put miiiiight and I guess because I'm not at all convinced it will, it was more of an afterthought. Although you could argue that the website has probably gone completely unoticed to the 99% of the population who almost never think about epilepsy, whereas this dance thing is splashed all over the press so people are reading about it. Also, there's a short piece about what epilepsy action think about it in the guardian today, so surely that's raising awareness of the organisation and will probably get more people than would have to read the very website you posted.

I doubt people who read the Guardian would be the sort who actually need educating on what epilepsy is lets be honest. Anyone with the slightest bit of common sense knows the basic details.

It's a publicity stunt by her, end of... she will be trying to sell a slept in bed, or a urinal for a few hundred grand in a year or two.